22 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

It's laughable to think that Christian churches and family first mentality doesn't exist outside or near philly. Or that Christian teachings are better outside 1 city over another. 

This has NOTHING and I repeat NOTHING to do with why Wentz wants out. 

The funnier part is the reason he wants out is in bold print and people are still making up stupid bullsh!t like "he cant be a true Christian here"  GTFO

There can be many reasons why one would want to change locations, some more important and urgent than others.  Ideologies and beliefs are more easily accessed and shared in one location compared to another.  That is not debatable.  The only thing that is debatable is Carson's intentions and motivations.  You may think you know the answers to his intentions, you truly don't.  You just believe you do

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Where do you want to start. He reached for a 4th round QB in the 2nd round. (never been done before) 

He surronds you with dog crap. 

He fired the coaching staff from 2019 (where he had 27TD's and 7INT's) when Doug just said they were keeping everyone. 

He signed a 213 year old Left tackle to protect your blind side after he drafted (and reached) on a Left Tackle who looks to be a bust. 

Shall I keep going...

Yeah, I get it.  

He deserves blame for the coaching staff, and for the lack of draft success. Is this why he's mad?  Has Carson spoken to the media?

2 hours ago, The guy in France said:

Doesn’t make sense if he has to defend the contract he gave CW, the $34mil cap hit and using the #2 pick in the draft to acquire him

Who says he has to defend it? You are under the assumption he has to defend it. He can say nothing and he still has his job. Heck he’s about to have the largest dead money hit ever in league history and yet still GM. There is no accountability for his performance declining. he also shifted blame for jefferson over reagor to doug and hurts originally to doug in terms of drafting them. Additionally he might not have been the only one saying to get the contract done. there’s a good chance lurie was pushing it so they wouldn’t get into a Dak situation. Also almost any GM in the league at that time would’ve tried to get a contract done then cause if they waited til end of year 4 there was a chance you don’t get the value they thought they were getting at the time. People assume that contract was always bad. No if wentz played like 2017 or end of 2019 then Carson’s contract compared to a lot of the top QBs in the league would’ve been great value. It turned out not to be cause of the season he had last year. 

Also they used no. 2 5 years ago. At the time he and lurie wanted a franchise QB and did everything they could to get one. Again the assumption is 5 years ago he felt that way about Carson and that means you can’t change how you feel years later. That’s untrue. You can feel one way 5 years ago and then change it 4 years later after circumstances change how you feel.  

also if you are able to manipulate things and you master it, spinning it isn’t all that hard. I’d suggest if you didn’t read the article that was a response too that you take the time to read it. 

5 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

I mean, the optics on this are not great and other than "I'm not happy with the direction of this franchise" I can't imagine why he would be unhappy.  If he is indeed unhappy with the direction of the franchise, why is he only mad at Howie?

What optics? Do you have confirmation from anyone other then people that seem to throw crap against the wall to see if it sticks that anyone is at any kind of fault here? Neither the Eagles or Wentz has said 1 damn word publicly. But it's Wentz throwing a "hissy fit".

loaded up on fifth rounders. came away empty at CB and LB. this LB class is NOT deep.

• 
  6.
  DeVonta Smith

  WR Alabama
   
• 
  37.
  Trevon Moehrig

  S TCU
   
• 
  73.
  Josh Myers

  OC Ohio State
  
• 
  137.
  Payton Turner

  EDGE Houston
   
• 
  138.
  Jaylen Twyman

  DT Pittsburgh
  
• 
  139.
  Chuba Hubbard

  RB Oklahoma State
  
• 
  143.
  Aaron Banks

  OG Notre Dame

 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

When he still goes to church, he still hunts, he still talks to his teamates, he talks to his new coach, he talks to the owner but he ignores the general manager who's tried to F him...

Ya, I'd be willing to bet money where the problem lies. And it's not because bumbleF Indiana is has better Christian views than BumbleF South Jersey 

It's not being suggested that it comes down to Christian views, simply that it could factor in.  As for not talking to Howie and talking g to everyone else?  That was one article or tweet and it is now your gospel?  

40 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Guess you didnt watch the Eagles last night. Unless your just choosinging to ignore the guy who had 9 points in 37 2nd half drives with 6 turn overs. 

The Eagles didn’t play last night. What are you talking about?

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Scouts don't know the schemes and which players are best suited to those schemes, which is why they don't make these decisions, they provide the input for these decisions.

The whole reason you want consensus decision making for the draft is to provide that feedback, the scouts know the college players, but the coaches know who fits, so they need to have a dialogue that ensures the scouts provide the proper information to the decision makers.

The problem comes when scouts or coaches fall in love with certain players and aggressively push them, and start distorting their perceptions to fit their conclusion.

The next two years the coaches input will be most important in terms of who they think they can coach up, Stoutland lobbied for Mailata probably because he started salivating when the idea of turning a 6'8 340 rugby player into an OL crossed his fevered imagination. One advantage of Sirianni's staff is they have a lot of hands on coaching experience and have a sense of who'll respond to hard coaching - which is invaluable during a rebuild.

I don't believe this is true...

...at all.

5 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

I mean, the optics on this are not great and other than "I'm not happy with the direction of this franchise" I can't imagine why he would be unhappy.  If he is indeed unhappy with the direction of the franchise, why is he only mad at Howie?

Howie is the GM.

1.  Eagles 50 million over the cap and are going to have to strip down the roster.  
 

2.  Not enough young, drafted, ready to go talent to replace the players about to be cut.

3.  Failures of the draft picks, Reagor over Jefferson, Metcalf over JJAWful.

These are all things the GM is responsible for, has final say over.

Carson should be pissed at the GM, an overwhelming majority of the fans see it and are also pissed.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

I think most fans don't understand the concept of "sunk" costs, you don't make decisions based on saving face over past decisions.

The only question for Howie is the best strategy going forward, and that is to focus on 2023 and the players who'll be on that team, and the cap room to add talent to that team.

If trading Wentz, whatever the return, is the best move for 2023, trade him, if rehabbing him is the best move, give it a shot.

Wentz helped win a SB, therefore it was a good move at the time (I mean that IS the ultimate goal, isn't it?). That was then, this is now.

I think some fans don't understand the concept of executive accountability.

3 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

I don't believe this is true...

...at all.

He is reaching, really reaching.  

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

loaded up on fifth rounders. came away empty at CB and LB. this LB class is NOT deep.

 

 

Moerhing would be a great pick.  I think there's good depth at o-line and some edge rushers that have potential in the later rounds.  It seems like this will be one of those drafts where Howie repeatedly reaches for picks instead of sticking to a BPA approach.  

I think what happened with Wentz is that he thought the Hurts thing was all Doug and what Doug wanted.  This fractored that relationship.  Then after Doug got fired for wanting to promote one of Carson's guy in Press Taylor,  my guess is Doug and Wentz have talked after everything and Doug spilled the beans that it was Howie indeed pushing for Hurts and not Doug. Howie has also had a run in before the season with one of Wentz best friends on the field in front of everyone with Ertz.  

I am not even looking at Howies terrible GM decisions I am thinking Wentz doesn't trust the person that his Howie Roseman just like everyone else who has left the Eagles. 

Media spun it has Doug versus Wentz but so far with all the new information coming out it seems it was Doug and Wentz vs Howie but at the time Doug and Wentz didn't know they were on the same side. 

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

last season* thats my bad. 

Moral of the story, Hurts also sucked D in this system

Which is why Doug is gone. Among other things.

Whether Wentz or Hurts is the QB this season, they'll play a lot better under Siri

1)  Indy puts a premium on getting the ball out quickly and protecting the QB, no more multiple deep routes, look for layered routes and a lot of crossing routes

2) The OL will be far more stable, the one good thing about last season is the development of Herbig, Driscoll and Mailata, now they have depth on the OL.

3)  Better WR coaching, the new staff has a much better track record coaching up WRs, especially guys like Fulgham and JJAW (big WRs with average speed).

4)  Better run/pass ratio

There is a long list of successful, happy pro athletes who don’t remotely fit in the cities they play in.  
 

No one wants to live in Philly.  But it IS a great sports town.  You think players are breaking down the door to live in GB or Detroit?  Cleveland?  Chicago?  All those cities are pretty miserable too.  But what do I know...I think SF is one of the biggest dumps out of all of them and people are scratching and clawing to live there.

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Moerhing would be a great pick.  I think there's good depth at o-line and some edge rushers that have potential in the later rounds.  It seems like this will be one of those drafts where Howie repeatedly reaches for picks instead of sticking to a BPA approach.  

i am worried he sneaks into the late first. Zaven Collins too (to a 3-4 team) seems ideal for olb in that scheme

would love to get the UNC kid Surratt in the third if he is there. after 3rd round i really dont see much at LB

2 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

i would love to get the UNC kid Surratt in the third if he is there. 

Yes please.  Just has an uncanny knack of always being in the right place, and seems to go unnoticed by the line when blitzing.

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

There is a long list of successful, happy pro athletes who don’t remotely fit in the cities they play in.  
 

No one wants to live in Philly.  But it IS a great sports town.  You think players are breaking down the door to live in GB or Detroit?  Cleveland?  Chicago?  All those cities are pretty miserable too.  But what do I know...I think SF is one of the biggest dumps out of all of them and people are scratching and clawing to live there.

They are leaving SF as fast as they can.

1 hour ago, greend said:

Tell him he's getting paid a poop load of money, things will get better, see you in camp

May be some messages have been sent to Wentz.  While I still think Hurts was picked because in five seasons Carson has finished two, one of which he may not have if he wasn’t benched, it is possible that Hurts and the benching were also a message against his stubbornness to accept coaching.  The QB factory too, May have been a barbed comment, but I chalk it up to Howie justifying another poor assessment pick. That said, I think the message sent with this whole trade rumors thing is that the Eagles value Wentz but he is not greater than the team.  The whole QB competition statement was appropriate for all jobs that have not yet been won by any player with the new coach and a message to Carson that to earn that spot, he has to put the work in.  The whole rumor treadmill was an exercise is gauging worth on the market and showing Carson is valuable but expendable too.  Maybe your statement above should add, "be prepared to work your ass off to be better and  if you are better, to win the starting job.   Message to Hurts is, Carson is not guaranteed the position so get better because there is a competition ahead.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

There is a long list of successful, happy pro athletes who don’t remotely fit in the cities they play in.  
 

No one wants to live in Philly.  But it IS a great sports town.  You think players are breaking down the door to live in GB or Detroit?  Cleveland?  Chicago?  All those cities are pretty miserable too.  But what do I know...I think SF is one of the biggest dumps out of all of them and people are scratching and clawing to live there.

I think a lot has to do with the personality of the individual. Of course, more people would want to live in Tampa than Detroit. 
 

Me personally, I’ve lived in Pittsburgh and Baltimore. Both cities but smaller, more blue collar cities. Still has that small town feel at times but nothing like the actual small town I grew up in. I don’t think I’d like living in Philly, definitely not New York. 

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

There is a long list of successful, happy pro athletes who don’t remotely fit in the cities they play in.  
 

No one wants to live in Philly.  But it IS a great sports town.  You think players are breaking down the door to live in GB or Detroit?  Cleveland?  Chicago?  All those cities are pretty miserable too.  But what do I know...I think SF is one of the biggest dumps out of all of them and people are scratching and clawing to live there.

Not anymore they aren't, people have been trying to get out of SF anyway they can. 

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

May be some messages have been sent to Wentz.  While I still think Hurts was picked because in five seasons Carson has finished two, one of which he may not have if he wasn’t benched, it is possible that Hurts and the benching were also a message against his stubbornness to accept coaching.  The QB factory too, May have been a barbed comment, but I chalk it up to Howie justifying another poor assessment pick. That said, I think the message sent with this whole trade rumors thing is that the Eagles value Wentz but he is not greater than the team.  The whole QB competition statement was appropriate for all jobs that have not yet been won by any player with the new coach and a message to Carson that to earn that spot, he has to put the work in.  The whole rumor treadmill was an exercise is gauging worth on the market and showing Carson is valuable but expendable too.  Maybe your statement above should add, "be prepared to work your ass off to be better and  if you are better, to win the starting job.   Message to Hurts is, Carson is not guaranteed the position so get better because there is a competition ahead.

That sounds way too strategic and organized for Howie and his cadre of clowns to pull off. Especially with some players on the team seemingly looking forward to the trade. 
 

Point being, not a chance that this is some attempt at reaching Wentz. Wentz wants out and Howie wants him out too. And it’s not clear that Lurie is even on this planet.

12 minutes ago, phil77 said:

I think what happened with Wentz is that he thought the Hurts thing was all Doug and what Doug wanted.  This fractored that relationship.  Then after Doug got fired for wanting to promote one of Carson's guy in Press Taylor,  my guess is Doug and Wentz have talked after everything and Doug spilled the beans that it was Howie indeed pushing for Hurts and not Doug. Howie has also had a run in before the season with one of Wentz best friends on the field in front of everyone with Ertz.  

I am not even looking at Howies terrible GM decisions I am thinking Wentz doesn't trust the person that his Howie Roseman just like everyone else who has left the Eagles. 

Media spun it has Doug versus Wentz but so far with all the new information coming out it seems it was Doug and Wentz vs Howie but at the time Doug and Wentz didn't know they were on the same side. 

I’ll say this again anyone who thinks Hurts was a doug pick is crazy. So the eagles (howie and Lurie) didn’t let Doug pick his own staff, forced him to fire coaches he didn’t want to fire and didn’t give him the ability to make the gameday  roster actives and inactives. Buuuuut they were like hey Doug we are picking at 53 please tells us who you want cause that’s who we are going to draft because all of the sudden we now trust you even though for years we haven’t with all of those other things. If you believe that i have some beans to sell you. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I think as you age, things change too.  I have no desire to live in a city again.  Even if it is a smaller city like Baltimore, Raleigh or Pittsburgh.   It's more about climate and access for me.  I like to be remote but not so remote that it's a pain to travel for business.   Our next stop after we leave here in about 5 years......coastal carolina.  Somewhere between Wilmington and Charleston.  

I have lived in the sticks my whole life. Have no desire to live in a city. That said if someone gave me 34 millions reasons to at least live close to a city I would move there and buy a nice ranch to retire to and be okay with it.

4 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

i am worried he sneaks into the late first. Zaven Collins too (to a 3-4 team) seems ideal for olb in that scheme

would love to get the UNC kid Surratt in the third if he is there. after 3rd round i really dont see much at LB

I really like Surratt too.  I think he's a leader and just a smart football player.  There's the kid from ND, Owusu, that's  likely a late first round pick. There's Bolton from Missouri who's also ranked as a late first/2nd round type target.  I could see one of them getting pushed down because of how many QBs may go in the first.  I also think KC will lean towards o-line/d-line and Tampa isn't going to pick a LB.  The problem is that Howie will not want to invest in LB given the Davion Taylor pick last season and play of Singleton.