Just now, eagle45 said:

I think Howie gambled and lost with the Wentz trade.

He put out a bunch of fake leaks that a few teams were lining up with first round picks on the table.  He tried to create his own market.  If the market were real, at those prices, Wentz would have been traded days ago.

This time, I actually can't blame Howie.  Reasonable move to try and make something happen to add some value to a team with none of it.  The only loss here is that an exceptionally disgruntled Wentz will be coming to Eagles training camp.  But that's just a loss on the PR front; they are rebuilding and losing games either.

Overall, not an unreasonable ploy to extract some value.

With a move or two, Wentz might not be so disgruntled. If he even is. 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

I just don't see any way you can put the toothpaste back in the tube at this point. If they bring Wentz back after all this, it is dysfunction city all training camp. 

If you don't move Wentz, you almost HAVE to move Hurts. But I don't see any way Wentz is still on the team after the new league year starts at this point.

Dysfunction is our bread and butter, so nothing new there. 

Not that it would work, but I would tell Carson and his agent "look, we tried to trade you, there's no market that justifies us taking such a huge dead cap number. Come back, play better and we'll try again at the deadline or next offseason."

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Dysfunction is our bread and butter, so nothing new there. 

Not that it would work, but I would tell Carson and his agent "look, we tried to trade you, there's no market that justifies us taking such a huge dead cap number. Come back, play better and we'll try again at the deadline or next offseason."

That would be sucky.  Howie probably forces Siri to start Hurts.  Wentz just sits on the bench the whole year and becomes the most expensive backup in NFL history and then gets traded for peanuts the year after.  This is such a dang mess.

7 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I just don't see any way you can put the toothpaste back in the tube at this point. If they bring Wentz back after all this, it is dysfunction city all training camp. 

If you don't move Wentz, you almost HAVE to move Hurts. But I don't see any way Wentz is still on the team after the new league year starts at this point.

if he moves, it almost has to be prior to the new year and the roster bonus b/c of the cap, doesnt it?

i would prefer to move Hurts for anything we can get. 

5 minutes ago, greend said:

With a move or two, Wentz might not be so disgruntled. If he even is. 

They could easily spin it to him that they think so highly of him, that they were asking for multiple 1sts and teams weren't willing to part with it. But I agree with you, there's no indication that Wentz is disgruntled. Just numerous opinions floating around. 

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

if he moves, it almost has to be prior to the new year and the roster bonus b/c of the cap, doesnt it?

i would prefer to move Hurts for anything we can get. 

Yes. Once they pay that roster bonus, it's done. Wentz could push it back though. 

Just now, greend said:

With a move or two, Wentz might not be so disgruntled. If he even is. 

As you know, I criticize Wentz on the field a ton.  Moving past that, I could not blame him for being disgruntled and I could not imagine how he could possibly NOT be disgruntled.

He was surrounded by garbage.  Rather than invest in improving that situation, they drafted someone to take his job.  In a disastrous 2020 in which everyone was overpaid and sucked, Wentz was the ONLY one held accountable and benched.  Then the offseason comes and he's under fire for not proclaiming his love for team and city.  Days after that, his name is bounced around like a hot potato in trade rumors...trade rumors the Eagles likely started to create a market.  The even bigger overriding problem, amidst all this drama, is that Wentz basically has 1-2 years to reclaim his manhood and prove that 2017 and parts of 2019 were no fluke....and our owner just so happened to announce to the world that the Eagles really aren't all that interested in competing during that 1-2 year interval as they rebuild.  

If Wentz has any interest in sticking around, then he has more Philadelphia in his blood than Pat's, Geno's, and the Tasty Cake factory combined.

 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Dysfunction is our bread and butter, so nothing new there. 

Not that it would work, but I would tell Carson and his agent "look, we tried to trade you, there's no market that justifies us taking such a huge dead cap number. Come back, play better and we'll try again at the deadline or next offseason."

It just can't work. Let's compare it to two other situations:

1. Deshaun Watson -- the Texans are telling anyone who will listen that they don't want to trade him, despite Watson wanting out. The public statements by the Texans aren't stopping teams from calling, but they at least can credibly say they aren't shopping him. If Watson stays on the Texans, he and his teammates won't think the team wanted to trade him -- they will think the exact opposite. The QB needs to be the leader of the team and have the respect of the locker room -- how can other teammates view him as a leader if they know the organization was actively shopping him?

2. Donovan McNabb -- After Reid benched McNabb against the Ravens in 2008, he let him start the next week and we went on a run to the NFCCG. Still, things needed to be smoothed over with McNabb and the locker room, so his contract was reworked to show the organization's commitment to him as the starter. I know the popular opinion is that McNabb cried for a financial apology (because this fan base is very objective about Donovan McNabb), but it was important for the team to show the other players that they were committed to McNabb as the leader going forward.

If Wentz is back, the team needs to trade Hurts and leave no doubt who the QB is. That's the only way this MIGHT work.

I still see no chance he is back.

I really think if they wanted to move Hurts, targeting the Ravens would make a lot of sense. He'd go as a back-up, maybe for a 4th this year. Or a 2022 3rd that with playing time incentives could increase to a 2nd. But as a back-up, the Ravens are ready made for Hurts' skillset. 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

They could easily spin it to him that they think so highly of him, that they were asking for multiple 1sts and teams weren't willing to part with it. But I agree with you, there's no indication that Wentz is disgruntled. Just numerous opinions floating around. 

I don't think they would ever spin it that they were actually trying to trade him or set a price on his head. It would be something more like they listen to calls on all their players because of due diligence, yada yada yada, we value Wentz and what he brings to this team. 

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I really think if they wanted to move Hurts, targeting the Ravens would make a lot of sense. He'd go as a back-up, maybe for a 4th this year. Or a 2022 3rd that with playing time incentives could increase to a 2nd. But as a back-up, the Ravens are ready made for Hurts' skillset. 

I can’t wrap my head around why people are eager to take a loss on a guy that didn’t play that bad (not great either). If they get an offer for a 2nd maybe, but a 4th? After 1 year? Paper hands move.

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

Planned preventative surgery due to family breast cancer history and having all the same genetic markers.

Best wishes to both of you.

13 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

As you know, I criticize Wentz on the field a ton.  Moving past that, I could not blame him for being disgruntled and I could not imagine how he could possibly NOT be disgruntled.

He was surrounded by garbage.  Rather than invest in improving that situation, they drafted someone to take his job.  In a disastrous 2020 in which everyone was overpaid and sucked, Wentz was the ONLY one held accountable and benched.  Then the offseason comes and he's under fire for not proclaiming his love for team and city.  Days after that, his name is bounced around like a hot potato in trade rumors...trade rumors the Eagles likely started to create a market.  The even bigger overriding problem, amidst all this drama, is that Wentz basically has 1-2 years to reclaim his manhood and prove that 2017 and parts of 2019 were no fluke....and our owner just so happened to announce to the world that the Eagles really aren't all that interested in competing during that 1-2 year interval as they rebuild.  

If Wentz has any interest in sticking around, then he has more Philadelphia in his blood than Pat's, Geno's, and the Tasty Cake factory combined.

 

I think he has reason to be disgruntled as well, but that doesn't mean that he is. Maybe he is better at practicing his faith than I am. I don't know where he's at mentally but I do know he hasn't come out and said.

7 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

I can’t wrap my head around why people are eager to take a loss on a guy that didn’t play that bad (not great either). If they get an offer for a 2nd maybe, but a 4th? After 1 year? Paper hands move.

After that abomination of a season Carson just had, no way you trade Hurts but keep Carson. If Carson is here, he’s competing for a job with Hurts - which is why Carson won’t be here

15 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I really think if they wanted to move Hurts, targeting the Ravens would make a lot of sense. He'd go as a back-up, maybe for a 4th this year. Or a 2022 3rd that with playing time incentives could increase to a 2nd. But as a back-up, the Ravens are ready made for Hurts' skillset. 

If we wasted a 2nd on him last year and Howard trades him for a 4th I'm driving to Philly and slapping the ish out of him. I think Hurts can be a very good back-up. 

4 hours ago, Freshmilk said:

While I no longer want Howie, the premise that you can only fix a problem by discarding it is flawed because it relies on the problem being localized in a vacuum which is rarely the case.

This makes me wonder how many little Howie’s are running around the organization, taking notes on how to please/influence Lurie. (shudders)

38 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

This is so drastic compared to 2017. 

 

You can do that with any QB...

27 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I just don't see any way you can put the toothpaste back in the tube at this point. If they bring Wentz back after all this, it is dysfunction city all training camp. 

If you don't move Wentz, you almost HAVE to move Hurts. But I don't see any way Wentz is still on the team after the new league year starts at this point.

I bet Howie thinks we can keep both because... QB factory

2 minutes ago, greend said:

I think he has reason to be disgruntled as well, but that doesn't mean that he is. Maybe he is better at practicing his faith than I am. I don't know where he's at mentally but I do know he hasn't come out and said.

If Wentz isn’t disgruntled he’s not human... 

13 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

I can’t wrap my head around why people are eager to take a loss on a guy that didn’t play that bad (not great either). If they get an offer for a 2nd maybe, but a 4th? After 1 year? Paper hands move.

because that's a sunk cost that you just can't worry too much about if that's what it takes for the bigger picture.  The pick never made sense at all.  It was stupid then, and stupid now.  Taking a loss is at least a little of a way of starting to undo the stupid.

Nobody chomping at the bit for Carson is very telling, I mean teams were giving away everything for Stafford yet Wentz....

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

Planned preventative surgery due to family breast cancer history and having all the same genetic markers.

Hoping for a quick and healthy recovery for her.  

(I took you off the block list, so feel free to ask away anything I haven't responded about over the past several weeks. )

This might be delving into conspiracy theory levels, but I wouldn't be surprised if Lowie is blatantly putting out false information to try to find out whose leaking to the media and clean it up. I can understand some conflicting reports but then there's yesterdays "report" that Doug wanted to start Wentz which is the exact opposite of what Troy Aikman said right after Doug got fired that he talked to Doug and Doug wanted Hurts. Some of this stuff just makes no sense.

20 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

I can’t wrap my head around why people are eager to take a loss on a guy that didn’t play that bad (not great either). If they get an offer for a 2nd maybe, but a 4th? After 1 year? Paper hands move.

why did AZ take the L on Rosen and draft Murray?

once you realize it was a mistake, you cut bait. not being able to admit when you've made mistakes is bad leadrship. aka Howie and now it seems Lurie too

2 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Nobody chomping at the bit for Carson is very telling, I mean teams were giving away everything for Stafford yet Wentz....

It's called negotiating.  just because other teams are trying to get Carson for as little as possible doesn't mean there isn't strong desire to have him on their teams.