7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

What exactly are you trying to argue? That Lamar Jackson is elite or that scheme matters a great deal?

Scheme and execution of schemes.

Watson is a free lancer, 49 sacks (with a top LT) is similar to Wilson, both scramble to buy time and make big plays, but what offensive schemes would they fit?

The assumption is that a QB who has great numbers in one scheme, would put up great numbers in any scheme. Maybe Brady, Rodgers but who else? NO is built around Brees, and Balt around Jackson.

Would Watson be as effective on Indy? The OL is better but the skill players are probably equivalent or worse than Houston, even without Hopkins. And the scheme is very different.

So if you're Reich, you know what Wentz can do in your scheme, you have to guess what Watson would do in your scheme. Would he be frustrated by a system that's more horizontal and doesn't let the QB make big plays downfield as much?

4 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

No one who watched the NFL last year, not just one team, and thinks the Eagles OL ranked in the middle of the league. They were a bottom 5 unit.

People also vastly underrate how much trust factors in between the QB and OL.  The QB needs to trust that he’s going to be protected when the ball gets to him.  If he can’t trust it, then he’s screwed 

16 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

That's got "caption this pic" written all over it.

 

"Oh, me. Oh, my.  I may have grabbed Howie's pee pee as I walked by."

Like this one almost 

Not sure if posted.  Chris Sims was told Wentz prefers the Colts over Bears.

If true,  maybe that's the hold up with the bears trade happening. 

23 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

I like PFF too, but it's not the end-all-be-all. They have very misleading stats sometimes. For example, they posted how Mahomes had more time before throwing in the Super Bowl than his average for the rest of the season. Without context, you would think his OL played well, but in reality there was more time to throw in the SB because he ran around for 5 seconds after facing immediate pressure on almost every snap.

No one who watched the NFL last year, not just one team, thinks the Eagles OL ranked in the middle of the league. They were a bottom 5 unit.

I think Tommy Lawlor summed up the OL well...

"But the Eagles OL wasn’t awful all year. They played well at times. Wentz had a bad habit of holding the ball too long. He was affected by phantom pressure at times. Wentz made a bad situation worse. Heck, there were times when he made a good situation bad.”

http://igglesblitz.com

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Not sure if posted.  Chris Sims was told Wentz prefers the Colts over Bears.

If true,  maybe that's the hold up with the bears trade happening. 

I don’t blame him. The Bears have a better defense than the Eagles but  their offense if Allen Robinson leaves is worse than the Eagles. With the Colts he has Frank reich and that team is a quarterback away from being in the top three or four teams in the AFC

9 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Not sure if posted.  Chris Sims was told Wentz prefers the Colts over Bears.

If true,  maybe that's the hold up with the bears trade happening. 

Rumors all over the place. Just this afternoon the rumor from some is Bears aren’t interested and the leaked report about the Bears trade was to get the Colts to up their offer. Who the hell knows at this point. I’m guessing Howie is asking for too much and everyone’s calling his bluff. It’s probably going to come down to trading him for pennies on the dollar or just bringing him back. 

 

25 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

People also vastly underrate how much trust factors in between the QB and OL.  The QB needs to trust that he’s going to be protected when the ball gets to him.  If he can’t trust it, then he’s screwed 

It's more than just being protected, a QB develops a feel for the pocket predicated on how his OL block, and when you have constantly changing OL, even if they're not terrible blocking, the QB loses the feel of where the pocket is and tends to rush passes or move into pressure.

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think Tommy Lawlor summed up the OL well...

"But the Eagles OL wasn’t awful all year. They played well at times. Wentz had a bad habit of holding the ball too long. He was affected by phantom pressure at times. Wentz made a bad situation worse. Heck, there were times when he made a good situation bad.”

http://igglesblitz.com

I think this reflects my point about not having a feel for the pocket, the OL wasn't awful (shout out to Stoutland) but every week they had a different lineup, so it had to be tough to develop a feel where the pocket was going to set up week to week, because guys have different tendencies and weaknesses (some can be bull rushed, other lack quickness, Pryor lacks talent).

47 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Johnson is a CB, Montgomery fits the type of inside RB to pair with Sanders, and Mooney can produce.  All can be fit in the Eagles ultra-tight cap.  Matt Nagy is a moron — doesn’t mean their entire roster should be thrown in the waste bin.

IND would need to offer #21, Okereke, Doyle, and their 2023 1st round pick.

I don't hate Doyle but really don't see the need. I'd rather CB Rock instead. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne to start at WR.   Not sure if we should target Marshall Faulk or Edgerrin James... maybe lower the bar and just go for Joseph Addai.

 

I think Chris Hinton would be a nice OL pickup as well.

I remember they kinda got ripped a bit for taking James too. Damn what a player he turned out to be, they really had the last laugh in that one. 

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t blame him. The Bears have a better defense than the Eagles but  their offense if Allen Robinson leaves is worse than the Eagles. With the Colts he has Frank reich and that team is a quarterback away from being in the top three or four teams in the AFC

I would try very hard to pry CB Johnson, he's a #1 CB with 3 years left on his rookie deal. 

3 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

I would try very hard to pry CB Johnson, he's a #1 CB with 3 years left on his rookie deal. 

I agree but I have a hard time seeing the Bears giving him up in a deal. I wanted him at 53 last year but they took him two picks before ours

I don't think Howie can get more than a late 1st and maybe a 3rd, and a minor player.

Wentz won't get you what Stafford got, because Stafford wasn't worth what the Lions got for him, I've watched him over the years, big arm, small brain. Can bring you back from 20 points down then lose the game. I'm not sure there's a QB worthy of a mega-deal right now, Brady and Rodgers are too old, Mahomes and Watson too reliant on their athleticism (one hit and . . .  as we saw with Wentz).

Question is whether it's worth trying to salvage Wentz or move on - and I think if Siranni has talked with Wentz and has had time to review film, that's been decided.

I think people underestimate Hurts, forget his four games, no training camp, few reps with the 1s, and Doug as HC. Hurts needs a full offseason, training camp, 4 exhibition games and a lot of coaching. Nothing drastic, tweak his mechanics to improve velo and accuracy, teach him how to read a NFL defense - remember Mahomes didn't play his first year, The Indy offense is well suited to Hurts, not a lot of deep throws, schemes WRs open, uses the RBs and TEs like the WCO. If he doesn't go belly up, he'll have a few years to grow into it.

24 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think Tommy Lawlor summed up the OL well...

"But the Eagles OL wasn’t awful all year. They played well at times. Wentz had a bad habit of holding the ball too long. He was affected by phantom pressure at times. Wentz made a bad situation worse. Heck, there were times when he made a good situation bad.”

http://igglesblitz.com

That first game coming off the concussion depending how bad it was, Wentz was destroyed.  8 sacks, he was hit a bunch more times, and they were up 17-0 midway through the 2nd quarter and lost 27-17.  

At this point, just hold strong Howie, either a team caves and gives us two 1st, or wait until camp to re-assess the situation.

1 minute ago, The Blackfish said:

That first game coming off the concussion depending how bad it was, Wentz was destroyed.  8 sacks, he was hit a bunch more times, and they were up 17-0 midway through the 2nd quarter and lost 27-17.  

He also made some bad plays, was outside the pocket on one play with an easy throw away and held it forever and got sacked.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne to start at WR.   Not sure if we should target Marshall Faulk or Edgerrin James... maybe lower the bar and just go for Joseph Addai.

 

I think Chris Hinton would be a nice OL pickup as well.

Johnny Unitas since we are trading our QB.

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Is Chocolate really that much better than pork rinds?  

Depends on the quality of the pork rinds.

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

He also made some bad plays, was outside the pocket on one play with an easy throw away and held it forever and got sacked.

He did no doubt, but that game set the tone for the season, his pocket awareness was back to his rookie year if not worse, he held the ball way to long and missed seeing or just didn’t throw to wide open guys,  that was an all year year problem.   Dougs offense wasn’t awful in the first 4-5 games, guys were getting open far more than Carson threw to them. 

Guys the only less realistic thing than getting 2 first round picks plus, is a team giving up good young talent on their rookie deals.  Get real.

28 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

At this point, just hold strong Howie, either a team caves and gives us two 1st, or wait until camp to re-assess the situation.

Yep. Someone will drop and need a QB.

 

Colts and Bears fighting for Wentz.