12 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Wow.  You are going to use Alex Villaneuva as a case study?   1 - He was an Army ranger before he came to the NFL.  2 - He was changing positions.  3 - He was an athletic freak.  (And a helluva nice guy.  I'm friends with one of Villaneuva's HS coaches... )

Singleton is a guy who's been a LB for the longest time, couldn't catch on in the NFL, so he went to the CFL... so, he's not new to the position.

 

And a 28 year old OL with low tread on the tires can be a high production LT for a good 5 years.  A LB who's been playing a ton over the years, who gets his shot at 28... might really only have about 2-3 years max (Singleton's game is largely speed).  But, he's just not that good.  We've seen such terrible LB play recently that adequate play all of a sudden looks stellar.   No OC in the NFL is being kept awake over night worrying about how to stop Singleton from disrupting his plans.  Singleton is much better than Nate Gerry.  I am also much taller than Emmanuel Lewis.  What does that mean?

No I’m just telling you at 28 years old there’s been players who have become starters. And I’m not saying he’s going to become as good as Villanueva. I highly doubt he becomes more than an average starter in the league.  I’m just telling you I don’t care if he was 30 years old or 20 years old he still showed he was capable of being an average starter which statistically and watch around the league he very well proved he was an average starter in his time out there as the starter. You made it like cause he’s 28 and didn’t do it til then he can’t be an average starter. No offense that’s a bs argument

again you’re upset that I said he was an average starter. He proved he was an average starter competent starter.  We are not talking like he’s becoming an all pro or a pro bowl linebacker. I I think most people around the league when they watch his film from this year when he started would say he was an average NFL starting linebacker. There’s nothing special about that it just means he’s competent enough that you could trust him out there to not be Gerry or bad. He was the definition of average starter. 

3 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

DBs will always be drafted earlier than their worth in these days of the NFL. The rules benefit WRs.  The chances of getting a Deion Sanders type of talent at CB in a draft is almost zero. Most younger players with those kinds of skills will play WR in high school or college.  Teams are going to pay a higher draft price to get good corners because of the current state of the League.  If we had a capable starting CB opposite Slay, it would have a domino effect on our secondary and immediately make this team better.  We haven't had two legit outside CBs since Vincent and Taylor.  I understand the desire to have a stud WR, but you can win SBs with average WRs and a good QB.  it's harder to win a SB with a leaky defense. We were fortunate that Nick had a career game at the right time. If he would've had an average Nick Foles game, we would've lost by double digits.

Again you’re missing the point I’m telling you. This has nothing to do with the wide receiver position. This has everything to do with you don’t draft at six looking just for capable starters. You draft at 6 looking impact starters. If it was a wide receiver there and I thought he was only gonna be a capable starter I wouldn’t draft him either. I try my damn best to trade out of that spot. This is specifically about capable starters at six and not drafting impact starters at six. When you were picking in the top ten of the draft you better get impact starters not just fall back on well he’s capable so that’s good enough. 

After 2 pages of "WTF HOWIE" "FIRE HOWIE" "F THIS TEAM" lol

 

First justification

 

29 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

1 - He was NOT ready to rebuild when COVID came along.  You don't 'rebuild' by giving away draft picks for a 29 year old CB AND give that CB a big money contract.  

2 - Its hard to start a rebuild when you delude yourself into thinking that your older players can still play at a high level (Desean and Alshon, primarily).

3 - They had no shot at a home 'bye'... maybe at a home game, but that's not a bye.  

4 - ALL major sports leagues had completely shut down operations IN MARCH.  To think that the NFL wouldn't feel a pinch is beyond naive.

 

You've really done a great job of rewriting history just in that one paragraph though.   Ironically, I'd say that Howie was being more honest than you.  I truly believe Howie believes what he is saying... but, I'd say he's deluded himself.   I believe you are just spinning to make Howie look like he has a clue. 

He was stuck with DeSean and Jeffrey, sunk costs. And you hope the veterans can buy time for the rookies, when DeSean played, it was obvious he was head and shoulders above any other WR they put out there all season, even a half season out of him would have been a bridge for the rookies. And it was reasonable to expect 8-10 games, then shut him down until the playoffs.

Slay was basically swapped out for Darby, now the fact that Darby went on to play much better away from Schwartz . . . Our secondary is so bad that they needed Slay and McLeod to hold the fort while they developed some DBs. People think rebuilding means a total tear down, a good rebuild tends to retain a core of players while phasing out most of your veterans. Hargrave for example will replace Malik as he heads out the door. You want enough of a veteran core that rookies aren't guiding rookies on the field.

They had a shot at a home game, Jeffrey scheduled to be back, they would have rested DeSean to get him ready for the playoffs, it's conceivable in April that they'd hit the playoffs more like 2018 than 2019, i.e., with a veteran team fairly healthy - because with the division in shambles, they might have clinched with a couple games left with a 9-7 record. Sure it was a gamble, but given the Redskins barely won 7 games, one worth taking. With a top young QB, top OL (before Dillard, Brooks and Lane go down), DeSean, Jeffrey, Reagor, Ertz, Goedert, Sanders - they could have made some PO noise. Hindsight is 20/20. In a strong division, Howie starts the rebuild, in this division, the temptation for one more shot at the ring was too strong to resist.

In March, everything was uncertain, was the shutdown temporary? For a month, six months? Again, Howie was right that it was going to be a problem for the rest of the division, look how these teams struggled - what he couldn't predict was that his team would fall like a row of dominoes.

 

21 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Thought this was funny

 

I don't get it

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Wow.  You are going to use Alex Villaneuva as a case study?   1 - He was an Army ranger before he came to the NFL.  2 - He was changing positions.  3 - He was an athletic freak.  (And a helluva nice guy.  I'm friends with one of Villaneuva's HS coaches... )

Singleton is a guy who's been a LB for the longest time, couldn't catch on in the NFL, so he went to the CFL... so, he's not new to the position.

 

And a 28 year old OL with low tread on the tires can be a high production LT for a good 5 years.  A LB who's been playing a ton over the years, who gets his shot at 28... might really only have about 2-3 years max (Singleton's game is largely speed).  But, he's just not that good.  We've seen such terrible LB play recently that adequate play all of a sudden looks stellar.   No OC in the NFL is being kept awake over night worrying about how to stop Singleton from disrupting his plans.  Singleton is much better than Nate Gerry.  I am also much taller than Emmanuel Lewis.  What does that mean?

If your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle.

 

FWIW, Singleton was the Defensive Player of the Year in the CFL in 2017, which, ultimately doesn't mean much in terms of the NFL, tallest midget and all that. I think he's an average player, and I think he could probably be upgraded. With all the other issues on the team though, I think we'd be OK to have him be the starter for 2021. 

14 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Understood what you are saying, and it makes sense. I just think this team is so devoid of young talent and is a solid 2 years from being serious competitors that they need to focus on this daft just getting a stud. Anywhere. Even if WR isn't the most pressing need, if the guy is there you think is a legitimate pro bowl talent, take him instead of getting a capable CB starter, even though CB is a bigger need. Teams that are closer or on the rise should be filling out their roster using the pseudo BPA vs need approach. Everything on this team is a need at this point. 

I don’t know people weren’t happy with Derek Barnett being a capable starter when he was out there when we picked him at 14. So you’re gonna tell me if we take somebody at six and they’re just a capable starter and not a big impact starter people are just going to be OK with that. we get people discussing about a 5th round pick being bust in shareef Miller. You don’t think people wouldn’t be upset if they were at 6 got just a capable starter and not an impact starter? I’m guessing we’d hear the same things we do with Barnett when he plays 

29 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Singleton is going to be the Greg Ward of the defense this offseason. I already know it.

It could be that Singleton just needs a thumper out there with him who becomes the focus of the blocking scheme. He has an elite asset and it is speed. He ran down a lot of fast players and gets to the point of attack. I know the Eagles haven't valued LB but Parsons is one of the better players in the draft on a BPA basis. Maybe Singleton is like Ward in that he is a bit of a misfit but the guy can play and in the right combo you get what I think you want these days at LB. That slightly larger than safety LB who is fast and can cover and a thumper who supports the Dline.

Top 10 DB picks for the last 10 years.

2020: Okudah, Henderson

2019: none

2018: Ward

2017: Adams

2016: Ramsey, Apple

2015: none

2014: Gilbert

2013: Milliner

2012:Claiborne, Barron, Gilmore

2011: Peterson

This could be just indicative of stronger top end draft classes, but it's not often that CB's or S's are taken top 10. Ones that are and around #6 were big time prospects like Okudah, Adams, Ramsey, Claiborne and Peterson. Surtain and Farley can be nice players, but I don't think as prospects they are what the others guys I just mentioned were. 

 

And LOL Eli Apple a top 10 pick. 

 

 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No I’m just telling you at 28 years old there’s been players who have become starters. And I’m not saying he’s going to become as good as Villanueva. I highly doubt he becomes more than an average starter in the league.  I’m just telling you I don’t care if he was 30 years old or 20 years old he still showed he was capable of being an average starter which statistically and watch around the league he very well proved he was an average starter in his time out there as the starter. You made it like cause he’s 28 and didn’t do it til then he can’t be an average starter. No offense that’s a bs argument

again you’re upset that I said he was an average starter. He proved he was an average starter competent starter.  We are not talking like he’s becoming an all pro or a pro bowl linebacker. I I think most people around the league when they watch his film from this year when he started would say he was an average NFL starting linebacker. There’s nothing special about that it just means he’s competent enough that you could trust him out there to not be Gerry or bad. He was the definition of average starter. 

Most NFL players, including many 1st rd picks, only start for 3-4 years.

A guy like Singleton buys time to develop young LBs to replace him, whereas if you have to go with Gerry or Riley, well, good luck.

In the NFL, a replacement level or below start may hurt you more than a star will help you (b/c I can scheme to take your star away, but good luck trying to hide an egregious hole).

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No I’m just telling you at 28 years old there’s been players who have become starters. And I’m not saying he’s going to become as good as Villanueva. I highly doubt he becomes more than an average starter in the league.  I’m just telling you I don’t care if he was 30 years old or 20 years old he still showed he was capable of being an average starter which statistically and watch around the league he very well proved he was an average starter in his time out there as the starter. You made it like cause he’s 28 and didn’t do it til then he can’t be an average starter. No offense that’s a bs argument

again you’re upset that I said he was an average starter. He proved he was an average starter competent starter.  We are not talking like he’s becoming an all pro or a pro bowl linebacker. I I think most people around the league when they watch his film from this year when he started would say he was an average NFL starting linebacker. There’s nothing special about that it just means he’s confident enough that you could trust him out there to not be Gerry 

I'm not upset about anything someone says on the EMB.  I'm upset when the Eagles seem to delude themselves into believing some of the same nonsense I see posted on the EMB as if it were true.  Singleton's ceiling is average NFL starter.  And I'm pretty sure he's maxed out now, which is the point of mentioning him being 28.  There's not another level he could rise to.  What we see it what we get.  And that's only if he's got good players around him.  Should the Eagles feverishly be trying to find an upgrade right now?   No.   Should it be fairly easy to find one?  Yes, and not very expensive.    But, for the dumpster fire that will be 2021... Singleton will do just fine.  

But, being content with mediocrity has become far too commonplace around here.  Alex Singleton is better than Nate Gerry.  That's hardly an accomplishment.  That's Greg Ward Syndrome.  Greg was better than Deontay Burnett and Robert Davis.  

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Top 10 DB picks for the last 10 years.

2020: Okudah, Henderson. TBD

2019: none

2018: Ward. Hit

2017: Adams Hit

2016: Ramsey, Apple Hit, Miss

2015: none

2014: Gilbert Miss

2013: Milliner Miss

2012:Claiborne, Barron, Gilmore Miss, Miss, Hit

2011: Peterson Hit

Gilmore/Ramsey/Peterson are all-pro CBs that are legitimate lock-down CBs. Getting one of those guys is so valuable.

As many positions as we need get an impact player for just about any position

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

If your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle.

 

FWIW, Singleton was the Defensive Player of the Year in the CFL in 2017, which, ultimately doesn't mean much in terms of the NFL, tallest midget and all that. I think he's an average player, and I think he could probably be upgraded. With all the other issues on the team though, I think we'd be OK to have him be the starter for 2021. 

That’s really my point. I don’t think he’s great. And I don’t think it’s anything special to just be an average starter on a defense. Not giving him an award for being an average starting linebacker in the league. Also I do think he could be upgraded. I don’t think he’s anything special.

But I think you’re fine with having him as a starter in 2021 ecause I think he’s average at that position and showed that in 2020. I still think they need another linebacker next to him that is an upgrade from him and what they have.

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Gilmore/Ramsey/Peterson are all-pro CBs that are legitimate lock-down CBs. Getting one of those guys is so valuable.

So valuable, that only Peterson remains with his original team, and has been the subject of trade rumours almost every year? 

Down the line is definitely not this offseason because no way we get a 1st after his performance against Skins

Howie’s talent evaluation isn’t just bad. His philosophy in which he makes his decisions is broken. His decision making is broken.

I can’t get over that Jeff McLane story. Howie sided with the coaches who wanted Reagor over the scouting dept who wanted Jefferson.

That’s the scouts Fing job. It’s all they do. They spend every Fing day studying these players. And you choose who the coaching staff wants?

You just can’t trust Howie. Even if the scouts are good, even if the player personnel execs are good, he’s gonna F it up. He’s a fish out of water.

It’s unfathomable that he’s still here. Apathy setting in quickly. Hoping for a last minute demotion from Lurie. Otherwise, my interest in this offseason plummets to a zero.

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Give Leonard a blank check.

If it's a promotion from within I'm gonna be physically ill 

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm not upset about anything someone says on the EMB.  I'm upset when the Eagles seem to delude themselves into believing some of the same nonsense I see posted on the EMB as if it were true.  Singleton's ceiling is average NFL starter.  And I'm pretty sure he's maxed out now, which is the point of mentioning him being 28.  There's not another level he could rise to.  What we see it what we get.  And that's only if he's got good players around him.  Should the Eagles feverishly be trying to find an upgrade right now?   No.   Should it be fairly easy to find one?  Yes, and not very expensive.    But, for the dumpster fire that will be 2021... Singleton will do just fine.  

But, being content with mediocrity has become far too commonplace around here.  Alex Singleton is better than Nate Gerry.  That's hardly an accomplishment.  That's Greg Ward Syndrome.  Greg was better than Deontay Burnett and Robert Davis.  

Again I never said he didn’t max out. All I said was he was an average starting linebacker in the league.  I only made the comparison to Villanueva because he also never started in till later in his career so i don’t think using age he became a starter is a good argument. That doesn’t mean I think he’s going to be as good as Villanueva. Frankly I don’t think he’s gonna be better than what he was this year which is an average starting linebacker  

And can you show me where I said he deserves an award for being an average starting linebacker? I never said that’s a great accomplishment. All I said was he was an average starting linebacker in the nfl with his play this year and his statistics kind of bare that out with his tape. I don’t remotely think i said he was going to progress and become great or a pro bowler 

Frankly I think they should upgrade the entire position. But I don’t think they have enough money or draft picks to do it. I think Singleton is fine as a starter because I think he’s an average starter for 2021 by league standards. Long-term I would love for them to upgrade over him and also upgrade over TJ Edwards

 

3 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

It could be that Singleton just needs a thumper out there with him who becomes the focus of the blocking scheme. He has an elite asset and it is speed. He ran down a lot of fast players and gets to the point of attack. I know the Eagles haven't valued LB but Parsons is one of the better players in the draft on a BPA basis. Maybe Singleton is like Ward in that he is a bit of a misfit but the guy can play and in the right combo you get what I think you want these days at LB. That slightly larger than safety LB who is fast and can cover and a thumper who supports the Dline.

I was wrong about Singleton a few months ago after Gerry went down. I thought it would be more of the same no matter who was out there. He filled in nicely and played well compared to the slop of the rest of the season. 

I just think people are going to overrate him, say all he needs is to develop, he's a future star etc etc. To me, he is what he is. He can carve out a role on this team, and due to how bad of a situation we are in, probably a starter. But he's a guy that's always going to have a ceiling, and if you want to actually compete and be up there with the best teams in the league, he's someone you want to upgrade from. Not saying he doesn't have a place on the team, you just don't want to have to play him 90% of the time, like Greg Ward. 

Funny thing is I think they did take Wentz out during a 3rd down for Hurts that failed

And teams did start to realize for that it was going to be a run play

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Howie’s talent evaluation isn’t just bad. His philosophy in which he makes his decisions is broken. His decision making is broken.

I can’t get over that Jeff McLane story. Howie sided with the coaches who wanted Reagor over the scouting dept who wanted Jefferson.

That’s the scouts Fing job. It’s all they do. They spend every Fing day studying these players. And you choose who the coaching staff wants?

You just can’t trust Howie. Even if the scouts are good, even if the player personnel execs are good, he’s gonna F it up. He’s a fish out of water.

It’s unfathomable that he’s still here. Apathy setting in quickly. Hoping for a last minute demotion from Lurie. Otherwise, my interest in this offseason plummets to a zero.

Scouts evaluate on pure talent, coaches should evaluate on scheme fit.

That is, talented players who don't fit the scheme are likely to flop or underperform. Which is why we see so many break out when they move to a new team that's a better fit.

I think the problem is the coaches, but either you defer to your coaches, or get new coaches. But you don't force players on your coaches that they don't want.

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Whens can teams start trading in the NFL?

 

Don't be lazy