40 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Since 2010 the eagles are the 12th best record. Since 2018 they are 20th. since 2016 they are 13th. But let’s randomly choose 2013 even though howie had his power struggle prior to that. And he came back in 2016. 

After we fired Reid, Howie had control until Chip pushed him to the sidelines starting in 2014, then back in the saddle in 2016. So it's not a random choice.

6 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Wes Hopkins, Andre Waters, Randy Logan, Brenard Wilson, Zordich was OK, and of course Dawkins.  That take you back into the 80s

Thanks.  There's one safety someone mentioned on here a while ago that caught my interest. A rookie in the early 2000's beside Bdawk. I'm sure my memory is off. Said he was above average but ended up hurt. Never recovered.  Anyone know? 

4 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Bill Bradley in the early 70s was a good safety as well.

Yup just crossed his highlights. 

45 minutes ago, austinfan said:

After we fired Reid, Howie had control until Chip pushed him to the sidelines starting in 2014, then back in the saddle in 2016. So it's not a random choice.

Howie was there in 2010. He wasn’t doing nothing at that point in time with the eagles and he got into a power struggle then with banner. Furthermore why not use when howie got complete control on final say in 2016. Not when chip forced him out in 2015 and phasing him out prior to that in 2014 when there were reports they didn’t see eye to eye and not all of those picks and wants were his choice exclusively. You act like it was all howie when it definitely wasn’t. So let’s go to where howie has complete control on final say in 2016. So since 2016 he’s been 13th. But let’s just include 2013-2014 cause it makes it look better with those statistics. but then you’ll probably exclude 2015 saying it was chip thats the laughable part when he was doing contracts for chip and had a hand in that decline 

Also his point was lurie wasn’t a problem. So randomly picking 2013 cause reid got fired when lurie was still the owner in 2010 for that decade we’re just going to randomly choose 2013. Why not just choose 2016 after he fire chip no let’s do 2013 cause it moves them up 4 slots into the top 10. 

personally I take two ways of looking at it. I look at the entire decade to see what they did for that ten-year period of time. Because that’s the most recent decade which they finished 12th.  And then if I want to know what’s happening recently with the team I go with a three-year window. Because a three-year window in the NFL is like an eternity. I do that with players, coaches and franchises. Because going on 4 seasons back the jags were also in the afc title game with bortles. That doesn’t seem to be indicative of their next three seasons or the direction of their franchise. So 2018-2020 the eagles were 20th 

10 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

You should watch this game:

 

Thanks.  Just started. 

 

29 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

You should watch this game:

 

Yeah !!!!

Seth Joyner criminally underrated!!

Just now, Casey @ Bat said:

Yeah !!!!

Seth Joyner criminally underrated!!

Should be in the hall of fame. Urlacher was great and no disrespect to him but joyner’s numbers are better in a ton of categories. Not saying he’s better than urlacher but he definitely deserves to be in. Ditto for Allen. 

26 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Howie was there in 2010. He wasn’t doing nothing at that point in time with the eagles and he got into a power struggle then with banner. Furthermore why not use when howie got complete control in 2016. Not when chip forced him out in 2015 and phasing him out prior to that in 2014 when there were reports they didn’t see eye to eye and not all of those picks and wants were his choice exclusively. You act like it was all howie when it definitely wasn’t. So let’s go to where howie has complete control on final say in 2016. So since 2016 he’s been 13th. But let’s just include 2013-2015 cause it makes it look better. but then you’ll probably exclude 2015 saying it was chip thats the laughable part. 

Well, then how about accounting for Chip stripping that roster of talent b/c he was a genius.

I'd say our 2021 roster at this point is probably as good as what Howie took over after 2015: (age in 2016)

Bradford (29) - traded to Minn, started 15 games in 2016, 5 games the next two years before out of the league

DeMarco Murray (29), 5yr/$42M, traded to Tenn, had a big 2016, fell off the cliff in 2017.

Sproles (33)

Barner (27)

Matthews (24) - 804 yards in 2016, then traded with a 3rd for Darby, picked up off the street in 2018

Agholor (23) - Doug got two good seasons out of him, then he regressed in 2019, only to bounce back under Gruden

Huff (25), Cooper (29), Austin (32)

Ertz (26), Burton (25), Celek (31), Burton left in 2018 for a 4yr/$32M deal

Peters (34), Barbre (32), Kelce (29), Tobin (26), Lane (26), Kelly (26), Gardner (30), Hart (25)

Defense:

Jenkins (29), Cox (26), Hicks (24), Graham (28), Allen (25), Kendricks (26)

Thurmond (29) - out of league in 2016

Maxwell (28) - in trades leading to Wentz deal, cut by Miami after a year

Barwin (30) - cut after 2016, Ryans (32)

Thorton (28) - 4yr/$18M by Dallas, played 13 games, 0 starts

Rowe (24) - traded to NE for 4th rd pick, 12 starts in 3 seasons, then signed by Miami and moved to SS

Marcus Smith (24)

 

 

 

 

 

21 minutes ago, IINorthStar said:

 

Loved wstching Waters

He'd spend half the season suspended today. Maybe Dawkins as well.

Take it FWIW

 

22 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Well, then how about accounting for Chip stripping that roster of talent b/c he was a genius.

Here's the skill players left after 2015 (age in 2016): 

Bradford (29) - traded to Minn, started 15 games in 2016, 5 games the next two years before out of the league

DeMarco Murray (29), 5yr/$42M, traded to Tenn, had a big 2016, fell off the cliff in 2017.

Sproles (33)

Barner (27)

Matthews (24) - 804 yards in 2016, then traded with a 3rd for Darby, picked up off the street in 2018

Agholor (23) - Doug got two good seasons out of him, then he regressed in 2019, only to bounce back under Gruden

Huff (25), Cooper (29), Austin (32)

Ertz (26), Burton (25), Celek (31), Burton left in 2018 for a 4yr/$32M deal

Peters (34), Barbre (32), Kelce (29), Tobin (26), Lane (26), Kelly (26), Gardner (30), Hart (25)

Defense:

Jenkins (29), Cox (26), Hicks (24), Graham (28), Allen (25), Kendricks (26)

Thurmond (29) - out of league in 2016

Maxwell (28) - in trades leading to Wentz deal, cut by Miami after a year

Barwin (30) - cut after 2016, Ryans (32)

Thorton (28) - 4yr/$18M by Dallas, played 13 games, 0 starts

Rowe (24) - traded to NE for 4th rd pick, 12 starts in 3 seasons, then signed by Miami and moved to SS

Marcus Smith (24)

 

 

 

 

 

I never said Chip was a genius. However it deteriorated so that chip got that power because he and howie couldn’t get along. Also howie wasn’t doing nothing that year guess who did DeMarco Murray‘s contract? So pretending like howie had no part in this when howie could get along like been the trend over the last decade. Now I know you’ll be delusional and make up stuff to pretend like that didn’t happen meanwhile there’s been banner, reid, chip and doug all of whom have had issues when they left the organization or prior to leaving the organization with howie  

also disagree their 2021 roster is close to what it was at the end of chip’s. At least at the end of Chip Kelly’s era he had guys entering their prime or in their prime that were ascending. Johnson, Cox, Ertz and even hicks all better than any of the young players that are acsending right now. Heck even Jordan Matthews was better at that stage of his career that any wide receiver the Eagles are going to have on the roster next year that’s currently on the team. Jenkins and Graham in their primes. Show me where the Eagles have players of that caliber entering or in their prime starting right now. Mailata is a maybe. Goedert and sanders. Sweet is a nice rotational player. Hargreaves was disappointing this year. Cox is older and likely end of his prime. Graham end of his prime. Brooks and lane both coming off injuries and potentially at the end of their prime years. Kelce might not even be back. So maybe three 

Again howie was here in 2010. You arbitrarily just picking because he fired Andy Reid in 2012. Howie was there so was Jeffrey Lurie prior to that. Lurie allow the franchise to get to the point of where they had to fire Andy Reid under his ownership. So I’m not eliminating 2010, 2011 and 2012 with both lurie and howie were there and involved in this organization and allowed for it to get to the point it did where reid was fired. So use the entire decade not just randomly picking after reid got fired cause it makes your argument look better. I can also play the game of arbitrarily picking years like post-super bowl if you’d like  

unlike you guys if I’m gonna look at what the Eagles were I’m looking at the entire decade and a three-year window for more recent. The reason why I look at the entire decade is because it includes all 10 seasons and gives better perspective to what they were that decade. Then if I want to know what’s going on recently with the Eagles I go to the last three seasons. Because three seasons in the NFL is an eternity. You go back four seasons then you would have to say well the Jacksonville jaguars had a pretty good run recently they made it to the AFC title game. Not really because the last three seasons they’ve been one of the worst franchises in football. So again last 3 seasons 2018-2020 they have been 20th . and if I had to guess over the next two seasons the probably going to be either a little worse or right in that area because this team is not set up to win because they’re going into a rebuild. So are very likely about have five years worth of where they’re at the bottom half of the league and the 3 year window it’s possibly really bad. And guess who would be responsible for it getting to the point where it was this bad? 

 

Howie botch day 122. So now the market is cooling and Howie is still waiting for a great offer. 
 

Why can’t Lurie wake up come to his senses and fire him

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Take it FWIW

 

If true that's a shame for Wentz should they trade him to the Bears.  With Nagy and their O personnel, especially if they lose Robinson in FA, it has the potential to be another bad situation he's put in.  Amplified even more so coming off the season he just had.  I don't think that's the situation he needs to be in to get 'fixed' and the hater crowd will come out full force to give everyone else a big ITYS, where going to IND or even staying here under Sirianni and it could be the reverse.

 

I do find it funny that Nick Foles sets the league on fire in 2013 with Bill Lazor as his QB coach. When Lazor leaves to become OC for the Dolphins, the Eagles hire Bill Musgrave, a "softer" coach, and Foles regresses.

Then Carson Wentz sets the league on fire in 2017 with John DeFilippo as his QB coach. When DeFilippo leaves to become OC for the Vikings, the Eagles promote Press Taylor, a "soft as F" coach, and Wentz regresses.

Maybe stop hiring soft QB coaches?

Just now, jwill2420 said:

Howie botch day 122. So now the market is cooling and Howie is still waiting for a great offer. 
 

Why can’t Lurie wake up come to his senses and fire him

There's an argument to be made that Wentz's value goes up if another QB is traded.  I'm not sure the reward is worth the risk.  I think the Eagles have probably 2 solid offers.  I think Ballard is probably not going to move. My guess Pace's is bigger because he has less to lose by offering future picks.  I mean if Wentz doesn't work out, then he's gone and the loss of future picks isn't his problem.  Ballard isn't going anywhere and has to consider his needs going forward.  

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

There's an argument to be made that Wentz's value goes up if another QB is traded.  I'm not sure the reward is worth the risk.  I think the Eagles have probably 2 solid offers.  I think Ballard is probably not going to move. My guess Pace's is bigger because he has less to lose by offering future picks.  I mean if Wentz doesn't work out, then he's gone and the loss of future picks isn't his problem.  Ballard isn't going anywhere and has to consider his needs going forward.  

There's no report that Howie's got a decent offer, supposedly Indy's offering the equivalent of a late 2nd rd pick, Chicago a little better, early 2nd round value.

If I'm Howie, and no one is offering the equivalent of #20 and a 3rd rd pick (#15 value), then screw it, I'll wait.

Nothing that you'd think twice about refusing and bringing Wentz to camp, and if he doesn't like it, tell him if he wants to be traded, it's up to him to show the NFL he's worthy of a real return.

4 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

No it doesn’t. Stop.  

It depends on the quality of the pork rind and the chocolate.   If its that fake chocolate 'flavored' crap they put on some things, versus a top pork rind... give me the pork rind.   (Of course, if I'm in the mood for sweet rather than savory... that does change things.  But sometimes, you just want savory too.)

 

2 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

What happened to the tweets that said a deal would get done Monday or Tuesday

Did they say which Monday or Tuesday? 

2 hours ago, NCiggles said:

I think it depends on who else is on the board.  I mean Pitts could be a dominant player.  I wouldn't have a problem if he's the pick.  

All the players available except for 5 will be on the board.   Are there not 6 better options? 

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Did they say which Monday or Tuesday? 

Well there were also tweets last week that said a deal would get done next week(this week)

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

You've been talking about H-Backs for months now.  IMO you're definition is wrong. 

An H-back is the tweener between a Tight End and Fullback.  

Yup.   But, it doesn't matter.  He'll just tell you that Howie is the best at defining positions after he's reached consensus with the 5 future GMs that are working with him.

25 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

If true that's a shame for Wentz should they trade him to the Bears.  With Nagy and their O personnel, especially if they lose Robinson in FA, it has the potential to be another bad situation he's put in.  Amplified even more so coming off the season he just had.  I don't think that's the situation he needs to be in to get 'fixed' and the hater crowd will come out full force to give everyone else a big ITYS, where going to IND or even staying here under Sirianni and it could be the reverse.

 

I won't notice one bit

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Since 2013, the year after we fired Reid, we have the 9th best record in the NFL, including a SB win.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/trends/win_trends/?range=yearly_since_2013

Lurie is not the problem.

The Eagles have run through 3 different HCs since 2013... Lurie is not the solution... because he sticks to Howie too much.   

 

Since 2018, the Eagles have regressed into a dumpster fire that has no cap room, no young talent, and is being forced to dump the QB they moved up to grab, and literally just gave a huge extension to, because the GM hasn't put good players around him and the coaches haven't held him accountable.   A little too much 'open heart' and not enough 'kick in pants'.  

1 hour ago, greend said:

I do and it will be glorious

Sadist.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

WARNING...those used to Nate Gerry, Duke Riley and the piss poor linebackers are in for a clinic by Seth Joyner on how to play the position.

Eagles played a 4-1-6 that game.