2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

There is a middle ground. Not getting a Stafford caliber return doesn’t mean you’re giving him away. If the best offer is a 4th rounder, I’d agree with that, but I find that highly unlikely. A 1st is probably on the table. That’s a more than generous compensation.

No it’s not. 

3 minutes ago, Infam said:

That is one scenario. Another one is teams getting more desperate as QBs go to different places and the price increases.

Luck has nothing to do with it.

Don't think anyone is gonna be desperate enough to give up Stafford compensation for a QB who sucks. The market has been set and teams will just go elsewhere if that's the price. The risk is also in the QB s after Wentz being those teams where other QBs go.

 

1 minute ago, wtfcares said:

No it’s not. 

Insanity.

When is this "imminent trade" happening? Does the great Adam Schefter know what that word means?

6 hours ago, NCiggles said:

There's an argument to be made that Wentz's value goes up if another QB is traded.  I'm not sure the reward is worth the risk.  I think the Eagles have probably 2 solid offers.  I think Ballard is probably not going to move. My guess Pace's is bigger because he has less to lose by offering future picks.  I mean if Wentz doesn't work out, then he's gone and the loss of future picks isn't his problem.  Ballard isn't going anywhere and has to consider his needs going forward.  

Seems like they’re playing chicken even though there are 2 teams vying for the same guy. Howie needs to demonstrate that he is willing to walk away, that he doesn’t have to trade Wentz, that we are not desperate I know it’s more expensive to keep him but even during the season if CW turns the ship around somebody could suddenly be in need of a QB and if the bridge is hopelessly burned

Just now, Sack that QB said:

Don't think anyone is gonna be desperate enough to give up Stafford compensation for a QB who sucks. The market has been set and teams will just go elsewhere if that's the price. The risk is also in the QB s after Wentz being those teams where other QBs go.

These trades have a level of risk involved either way. But let's be honest: In this case I have total confidence in Roseman to get this right.

He is playing a game of poker, and it's good folding isn't his only move.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Don't think anyone is gonna be desperate enough to give up Stafford compensation for a QB who sucks. The market has been set and teams will just go elsewhere if that's the price. The risk is also in the QB s after Wentz being those teams where other QBs go.

 

Insanity.

I would agree a first is fair IF we aren't giving anything extra up. That fake bears offer (giving up #37 and wentz for #20, foles and cohen) would have been an awful deal. A first for wentz straight up is about as much as we can hope for after the season he just had.

We can talk about previous years and lack of talent around him til we're blue in the face but all any team will bring up is how bad he was in 2020. 

5 minutes ago, devpool said:

When is this "imminent trade" happening? Does the great Adam Schefter know what that word means?

I think he got played by the Eagles. 

1 minute ago, devpool said:

I would agree a first is fair IF we aren't giving anything extra up. That fake bears offer (giving up #37 and wentz for #20, foles and cohen) would have been an awful deal. A first for wentz straight up is about as much as we can hope for after the season he just had.

We can talk about previous years and lack of talent around him til we're blue in the face but all any team will bring up is how bad he was in 2020. 

I was fine with a clean first when this started, and still would be. But at this point I feel like we will end up getting more, even though not two firsts.

I really HOPE that the WIP report is right and the team is actually communicating with Carson. I personally don't believe the report since no one else has corroborated it, but I hope it's true. 

If they're talking to wentz and telling him they still want him here and sirianni is talking about how he wants the offense to go with wentz in it maybe he is more willing to stay. But if it's true wentz only has an issue with Howie and lurie obviously isn't going to fire his love child, wentz might just sit out

10 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

Seems like they’re playing chicken even though there are 2 teams vying for the same guy. Howie needs to demonstrate that he is willing to walk away, that he doesn’t have to trade Wentz, that we are not desperate I know it’s more expensive to keep him but even during the season if CW turns the ship around somebody could suddenly be in need of a QB and if the bridge is hopelessly burned

Well I don’t think they should keep him unless the plan is to make him the starter. No bs competition or any hedging, just name him the starter and help him succeed. 

5 hours ago, Desertbirds said:

None of the implied excuses here exonerates Howie's dismal performance with respect to the draft.

I know who the worst drafting team but who do you consider the best drafting team taking into account where they are drafting ? Has to be NE because they were always drafting late with continued success but thats all I got to back it up. Nice to have Brady for 20 years and play in that candy ass division too. Who ya got ?

38 minutes ago, austinfan said:

You don't fill every hole with the first three rounds of the draft.(unless you're TB and you've been drafting high for a decade).

Most top teams are a mix of high draft picks, FAs, late round picks, UDFAs and SFAs.

This is why player development is key, every low cost player you obtain by turning a late round pick, UDFA or SFA into a starter or top reserve frees up resources to obtain other players.

In fact, one reason we're in the current hole was the lack of these guys on the 2017 team, Kelce 6th rd  2011, Mills 7th rd 2016, Vaitai 5th rd 2016, Celek 5th rd 2007, Allen 7th rd 2014, Smallwood 5th rd 2016, Walker 7th rd 2016, Burton UDFA 2016.

2020:  Edwards UDFA 2019, Herbig UDFA 2019, Singleton SFA 2019, Mailata 7th rd 2018, Pryor 6th rd 2018, Ward UDFA 2018, Fulgham SFA 2020, Epps SFA 2019, Scott SFA 2018, Opeta UDFA 2020, Jacquet UDFA 2020, Bradley 6th rd 2020, Toth UDFA 2020, Williams UDFA 2020

Usually these guys make their impact in their 2nd and 3rd seasons, due to injury some got experience as rookies.

So next year look for a few out of Huntley, Hightower, Watkins, Burnett, Butler, Jackson, Toth, peta, Juriga, Williams, Ostman, Bradley, Smith, Bachie, Jacquet, James, Hill, Houston, Arnold, Epps, Riley to step up. Most will end up gone in a couple years, but if you can just fine 3-4 "hidden gems" a year, starters, top reserves and key ST guys, you can quickly revamp a roster. They become the guys who surround your stars - you have to be really lucky to land a Kelce or Mailata.

 

Thank you for explaining how drafting players works.

I was focusing on the first 3 rounds because that's the hope of return on Wentz and Ertz in terms of draft picks.

24 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think he can get more than a late 2nd. I think a 1st is on probably the table.

The downside is Wentz is coming off an awful year, his market will be limited, and if these teams move on and get other QBs their leverage is gone and their return will decrease significantly. We are incredibly lucky if a team offered a 1st at all.

In that case bring him to camp, he'll have lots of motivation to win the starter's job, otherwise his next contract after the Eagles cut him will be close to the veteran's minimum as a backup.

If he shines in pre-season, someone will ante up.

Just now, NCiggles said:

Well I don’t think they should keep him unless the plan is to make him the starter. No bs competition or any hedging, just name him the starter and help him succeed. 

Why not, sure ... at least to start but if that’s a fail we are going to regret not taking the low ball. I guess Nick and Johnson need to get with Howie and give him a definitive answer if he can be repaired

 

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

In that case bring him to camp, he'll have lots of motivation to win the starter's job, otherwise his next contract after the Eagles cut him will be close to the veteran's minimum as a backup.

If he shines in pre-season, someone will ante up.

I think the situation is untenable. Just my opinion. I don't think Wentz will ever succeed here. One of em has to go between he and Hurts and I think it's important to move on from that contract in case this is who he is now, especially since this is a rebuilding team and he may be 30+ years old when the Eagles get good again and that money will be a burden in adding future talent to the roster.

I think this divorce is important for the future of the franchise and it's smart to get as much as you can for him while he still has value. One more down year and you aren't getting anything for him and you're also stuck with that contract.

6 minutes ago, austinfan said:

In that case bring him to camp, he'll have lots of motivation to win the starter's job, otherwise his next contract after the Eagles cut him will be close to the veteran's minimum as a backup.

If he shines in pre-season, someone will ante up.

what if there is no pre-season again? 

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

I think the situation is untenable. Just my opinion. I don't think Wentz will ever succeed here. One of em has to go between he and Hurts and I think it's important to move on from that contract in case this is who he is now, especially since this is a rebuilding team and he may be 30+ years old when the Eagles get good again and that money will be a burden in adding future talent to the roster.

I think this divorce is important for the future of the franchise and it's smart to get as much as you can for him while he still has value. One more down year and you aren't getting anything for him and you're also stuck with that contract.

Not buying in the "need to sell" narrative. I'd be glad if he is traded, preferably in a few minutes. But you have to get the right offer.

Better to be patient.

4 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

I know who the worst drafting team but who do you consider the best drafting team taking into account where they are drafting ? Has to be NE because they were always drafting late with continued success but thats all I got to back it up. Nice to have Brady for 20 years and play in that candy ass division too. Who ya got ?

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/nfl-drafting-efficiency-2010-2019

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1593805-ranking-the-draft-success-of-all-32-nfl-teams

but

https://www.startribune.com/draft-is-important-the-nfl-says-but-not-all-important/569875432/

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think the situation is untenable. Just my opinion. I don't think Wentz will ever succeed here. One of em has to go between he and Hurts and I think it's important to move on from that contract in case this is who he is now, especially since this is a rebuilding team and he may be 30+ years old when the Eagles get good again and that money will be a burden in adding future talent to the roster.

I think this divorce is important for the future of the franchise and it's smart to get as much as you can for him while he still has value. One more down year and you aren't getting anything for him and you're also stuck with that contract.

It's a rebuild. We're not talking a playoff team where a QB controversy could split the clubhouse.

We're talking a rebuild, where the new HC can simply ask Howie to remove any player who makes it an issue.

If they have to keep Wentz, he'll be highly motivated b/c his career is literally on the line - if the Eagles keep him two years, and cut him at 30 after backing up Hurts, he may never start again in the NFL. And Hurts knows Wentz will be gone at some point, he has a very high work ethic and will prepare himself for the opportunity to start again, whenever it comes.

12 minutes ago, austinfan said:

In that case bring him to camp, he'll have lots of motivation to win the starter's job, otherwise his next contract after the Eagles cut him will be close to the veteran's minimum as a backup.

If he shines in pre-season, someone will ante up.

People need to get over these fantasies of holding onto Wentz.  They are not eating that $10M roster bonus due in March to hold out for 1 or 2 more picks.

Just now, austinfan said:

It's a rebuild. We're not talking a playoff team where a QB controversy could split the clubhouse.

We're talking a rebuild, where the new HC can simply ask Howie to remove any player who makes it an issue.

If they have to keep Wentz, he'll be highly motivated b/c his career is literally on the line - if the Eagles keep him two years, and cut him at 30 after backing up Hurts, he may never start again in the NFL. And Hurts knows Wentz will be gone at some point, he has a very high work ethic and will prepare himself for the opportunity to start again, whenever it comes.

You don’t know if he’ll be highly motivated. He should’ve been motivated last year. Drafting Hurts should’ve been the biggest motivation in the world. He handled it like a chump. As more days go on it feels more and more likely that the guy is just a mental midget. Aaron Rodgers responded to the same thing by having one of his best if not his best year ever. Wentz responded horribly.

I have no faith whatsoever Wentz will respond competitively in any way. That’s an "I’ll believe it when I see it.”

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/nfl-drafting-efficiency-2010-2019

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1593805-ranking-the-draft-success-of-all-32-nfl-teams

but

https://www.startribune.com/draft-is-important-the-nfl-says-but-not-all-important/569875432/

Just to point this out with your links 

in the last five years the eagles draft capital vs return is 95% only 8 teams are worse then the eagles. 

meanwhile draft return in the last five years is 2.37%. There is 1 team worse than the eagles that’s the Jets. 

I saw Jeremy Maclin got hired to be a high school football coach. Good way to start retirement.

55 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

There is a middle ground. Not getting a Stafford caliber return doesn’t mean you’re giving him away. If the best offer is a 4th rounder, I’d agree with that, but I find that highly unlikely. A 1st is probably on the table. That’s a more than generous compensation.

In your opinion maybe. If the Eagles don't agree then they don't.