2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I was wrong about Singleton a few months ago after Gerry went down. I thought it would be more of the same no matter who was out there. He filled in nicely and played well compared to the slop of the rest of the season. 

I just think people are going to overrate him, say all he needs is to develop, he's a future star etc etc. To me, he is what he is. He can carve out a role on this team, and due to how bad of a situation we are in, probably a starter. But he's a guy that's always going to have a ceiling, and if you want to actually compete and be up there with the best teams in the league, he's someone you want to upgrade from. Not saying he doesn't have a place on the team, you just don't want to have to play him 90% of the time, like Greg Ward. 

I don’t know where this assumption came from that I in particuar or people were on here saying that Alex Singleton was going to be a great player or progress into on. All I said was he was an average NFL starter at the position. And said it’s a bad argument to use age when he became a starter to downplay what he did this year as an average starter. Nowhere in my remarks did I say he’s going to become a pro bowler or become a great player. I don’t even think that.

I think his ceiling is to be an average NFL starting linebacker. If that is like grossly negligent I would dare people to look around the rest of the NFL and see what league average is at linebacker and its similar of what Alex Singleton did. and that’s not some sort of accomplishment because it’s nothing special to be an average starter. Frankly they’re usually replaceable and wanted to be upgraded from average to better. I think some view when we say he was an average starter means we think he has room to get better or it’s a grand accomplishment. Just means he an average starter. 

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Howie’s talent evaluation isn’t just bad. His philosophy in which he makes his decisions is broken. His decision making is broken.

I can’t get over that Jeff McLane story. Howie sided with the coaches who wanted Reagor over the scouting dept who wanted Jefferson.

That’s the scouts Fing job. It’s all they do. They spend every Fing day studying these players. And you choose who the coaching staff wants?

You just can’t trust Howie. Even if the scouts are good, even if the player personnel execs are good, he’s gonna F it up. He’s a fish out of water.

It’s unfathomable that he’s still here. Apathy setting in quickly. Hoping for a last minute demotion from Lurie. Otherwise, my interest in this offseason plummets to a zero.

I call BS on that. The coaches wanted Reagor, but then did nothing creative with him? No designed plays to get him in space? Nothing for him at all until midway through the season? Then you have Doug saying he want's to be a voice in player personnel. Weird thing for the coach to say if his voice was heard and got the first round pick he wanted. 

What's more likely, IMO, is Howie is just throwing the coaches under the bus. Maybe they said they wanted more speed on Offense, but the whole offseason theme was speed on both sides of the ball. That probably came from one guy. Howie. I doubt Schwartz said "Hey, get me a multi year developmental LB that I have no use for this year, and then I'm going to contemplate retiring at the end of the year, but look at his speed, we need that." 

Are you done?

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

He was stuck with DeSean and Jeffrey, sunk costs. And you hope the veterans can buy time for the rookies, when DeSean played, it was obvious he was head and shoulders above any other WR they put out there all season, even a half season out of him would have been a bridge for the rookies. And it was reasonable to expect 8-10 games, then shut him down until the playoffs.

Slay was basically swapped out for Darby, now the fact that Darby went on to play much better away from Schwartz . . . Our secondary is so bad that they needed Slay and McLeod to hold the fort while they developed some DBs. People think rebuilding means a total tear down, a good rebuild tends to retain a core of players while phasing out most of your veterans. Hargrave for example will replace Malik as he heads out the door. You want enough of a veteran core that rookies aren't guiding rookies on the field.

They had a shot at a home game, Jeffrey scheduled to be back, they would have rested DeSean to get him ready for the playoffs, it's conceivable in April that they'd hit the playoffs more like 2018 than 2019, i.e., with a veteran team fairly healthy - because with the division in shambles, they might have clinched with a couple games left with a 9-7 record. Sure it was a gamble, but given the Redskins barely won 7 games, one worth taking. With a top young QB, top OL (before Dillard, Brooks and Lane go down), DeSean, Jeffrey, Reagor, Ertz, Goedert, Sanders - they could have made some PO noise. Hindsight is 20/20. In a strong division, Howie starts the rebuild, in this division, the temptation for one more shot at the ring was too strong to resist.

In March, everything was uncertain, was the shutdown temporary? For a month, six months? Again, Howie was right that it was going to be a problem for the rest of the division, look how these teams struggled - what he couldn't predict was that his team would fall like a row of dominoes.

 

He stuck HIMSELF with Desean and Jeffrey, and he could have pulled the plug on them sooner... if he had been deluded into thinking they were still in their primes when he restructured BOTH of their contracts.

Desean being much better than the rest of their WRs is again an indictment on the roster Howie built, not a defense of him.  He should have never been brought back at all, and they should have found a younger WR for about the same money, no cost of a draft pick, and a lower chance of missing time.  *cough* Robby Anderson* 

Slay was 'swapped out' for Darby at a MUCH higher cost.  Darby - 1 year, $2.8M.  And they shouldn't have brought him back in 2019 at $6.5M.  That was stupid too.    Our secondary was so bad with Slay and McLeod holding down the fort.   I think they might have been better off saving the money on Slay, saving the 3rd round pick and maybe going with a rookie who might suck, but grow into the job... Oh, wait... they can't develop CBs in the draft and/or identify them either, so they have to do it by trades and FAs. 

Hargrave will replace Malik as he heads out the door, eh?   Great.  Hargrave will cost $15.2M next year, while Jackson (as he heads out the door) costs an additional $12.6M minimum (pending the restructure they just did... to kick some of that cost to 2022!!!)
 

And you just went to the delusion of Alshon back... Desean healthy... again.   That's not realistic, and you know it.  This team has had ridiculous injuries over the past 4 years... and all of a sudden older players that break down often are going to be healthy when you need them the most at the end of the season?   More delusions.

 

Nearly everything you just defended was Howie trying to make for a mistake he made in 2019... trading for Desean and giving him a new contract - bad idea.  Drafting JJAW and then restructuring Alshon as well... bad idea, worse idea.  Bring back Darby in 2019 coming off ACL at $6.5M?  replace him with a more expensive CB as he's about to hit the magic '30' number... and pay draft picks and cash to do it.   Bring in Malik Jackson and pay him top dollar as a player on the decline?  Whoops... need to fix that with a younger DT and throw more money at a NON-PREMIER position.

 

Howie didn't work to rebuild, by putting together a core and phasing out players... he went out and brought in older, broken down players at high prices (2019), then brought in other players to cover up for the fact that he screwed up in 2020... I cringe at what he'll do to 'fix it' in 2021.    He 'fixed' 2020 by screwing us for 2021.  (Tons of dead money already allocated to 2022 with a lot of older players too!)  Im sure the plan to fix 2021 will be to screw us in 2022 or 2023.  I can't wait!  The reality is that this team either bites the bullet hard in 2021... or bites it moderately in 2021, bites it again in 2022, and likely bites it a 3rd time in 2023.   And that is why Howie needs to go.   Not only has he drafted poorly, he's managed the cap poorly too.   Either measuring stick shows him coming up very wanting.

18 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

If your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle.

 

FWIW, Singleton was the Defensive Player of the Year in the CFL in 2017, which, ultimately doesn't mean much in terms of the NFL, tallest midget and all that. I think he's an average player, and I think he could probably be upgraded. With all the other issues on the team though, I think we'd be OK to have him be the starter for 2021. 

Obviously.  But, he's not a long term solution there.  When they might be able to turn their attention to fixing LB, he'll be 30-31... he's serviceable in the meantime.

I don't think that happened so you're in the clear but honestly don't remember

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t know where this assumption came from that I in particuar or people were on here saying that Alex Singleton was going to be a great player or progress into on. All I said was he was an average NFL starter at the position. And said it’s a bad argument to use age when he became a starter to downplay what he did this year as an average starter. Nowhere in my remarks did I say he’s going to become a pro bowler or become a great player. I don’t even think that.

I think his ceiling is to be an average NFL starting linebacker. If that is like grossly negligent I would dare people to look around the rest of the NFL and see what league average is at linebacker and its similar of what Alex Singleton did. and that’s not some sort of accomplishment because it’s nothing special to be an average starter. Frankly they’re usually replaceable and wanted to be upgraded from average to better. I think some view when we say he was an average starter means we think he has room to get better or it’s a grand accomplishment. Just means he an average starter. 

Whatever I said about Singleton had nothing to do with anything you said. I just made a one off comment that I think come next TC people are going to put him on a pedestal and act like he's a great asset to have moving forward like they did with Greg Ward. 

Saw more than that lol

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I was wrong about Singleton a few months ago after Gerry went down. I thought it would be more of the same no matter who was out there. He filled in nicely and played well compared to the slop of the rest of the season. 

I just think people are going to overrate him, say all he needs is to develop, he's a future star etc etc. To me, he is what he is. He can carve out a role on this team, and due to how bad of a situation we are in, probably a starter. But he's a guy that's always going to have a ceiling, and if you want to actually compete and be up there with the best teams in the league, he's someone you want to upgrade from. Not saying he doesn't have a place on the team, you just don't want to have to play him 90% of the time, like Greg Ward. 

I like Singleton as a LB going forward for the Eagles.  Do they still need to look to upgrade the position if possible? Of course.

My whole thing is he came in midway thru the season and did very well.  My thinking is maybe he can get a little better with a full offseason, TC, etc., as a starter.  But he wont ever be an all pro or pro bowler.

18 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Most NFL players, including many 1st rd picks, only start for 3-4 years.

A guy like Singleton buys time to develop young LBs to replace him, whereas if you have to go with Gerry or Riley, well, good luck.

In the NFL, a replacement level or below start may hurt you more than a star will help you (b/c I can scheme to take your star away, but good luck trying to hide an egregious hole).

Again who said Alex Singleton was the future. The only thing that was said was that he was an average starting linebacker in the statistics and tapes proof that he was average as a starter. I am all for upgrading that position. However I don’t think the Eagles a. have the money to do it and b. don’t have the draft capital to invest in a linebacker high again this year when they just did it a year ago in the third round even if he’s a project. 

Unpopular opinion: I think I'm over Zach Ertz crying.

Hurts was the #2 for the majority of the season. Maybe the entire season. Don't remember. I have some repressed memories of this season lol

Sudfeld was put on the backburner

24 minutes ago, austinfan said:

He was stuck with DeSean and Jeffrey, sunk costs. And you hope the veterans can buy time for the rookies, when DeSean played, it was obvious he was head and shoulders above any other WR they put out there all season, even a half season out of him would have been a bridge for the rookies. And it was reasonable to expect 8-10 games, then shut him down until the playoffs.

Slay was basically swapped out for Darby, now the fact that Darby went on to play much better away from Schwartz . . . Our secondary is so bad that they needed Slay and McLeod to hold the fort while they developed some DBs. People think rebuilding means a total tear down, a good rebuild tends to retain a core of players while phasing out most of your veterans. Hargrave for example will replace Malik as he heads out the door. You want enough of a veteran core that rookies aren't guiding rookies on the field.

They had a shot at a home game, Jeffrey scheduled to be back, they would have rested DeSean to get him ready for the playoffs, it's conceivable in April that they'd hit the playoffs more like 2018 than 2019, i.e., with a veteran team fairly healthy - because with the division in shambles, they might have clinched with a couple games left with a 9-7 record. Sure it was a gamble, but given the Redskins barely won 7 games, one worth taking. With a top young QB, top OL (before Dillard, Brooks and Lane go down), DeSean, Jeffrey, Reagor, Ertz, Goedert, Sanders - they could have made some PO noise. Hindsight is 20/20. In a strong division, Howie starts the rebuild, in this division, the temptation for one more shot at the ring was too strong to resist.

In March, everything was uncertain, was the shutdown temporary? For a month, six months? Again, Howie was right that it was going to be a problem for the rest of the division, look how these teams struggled - what he couldn't predict was that his team would fall like a row of dominoes.

 

He wasn't stuck with DeSean and Jeffery - he signed them. 

He sunk the costs, no one else.

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Whatever I said about Singleton had nothing to do with anything you said. I just made a one off comment that I think come next TC people are going to put him on a pedestal and act like he's a great asset to have moving forward like they did with Greg Ward. 

Cool. I wouldn’t be shocked if there are some Eagles fans that do. There’s a player like that like every year. It’s not gonna be me. I know what to expect from him. He’s an average starting linebacker. There’s gonna be games where he looks OK and some games where he even looks good. And then there’s gonna be games he just doesn’t look good whatsoever. That’s usually what happens when you have average linebacker starting. Sadly the Eagles went from good linebackers in 2017 to having one average starting linebacker and a bunch of backups trying to start. 

Just now, hoosierdaddy said:

Unpopular opinion: I think I'm over Zach Ertz crying.

Here's another one:  I never really liked him.  Solid TE, had a few very good years, a little overrated.

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Hurts was the #2 for the majority of the season. Maybe the entire season. Don't remember. I have some repressed memories of this season lol

Sudfeld was put on the backburner

Sudfeld was the backup for week 1 and then demoted. Hurts was obviously the backup since then until taking over as starter.

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

Here's another one:  I never really liked him.  Solid TE, had a few very good years, a little overrated.

Idk i believe he’s second all time on the eagles receptions behind Carmichael. He’s 5th all time in receiving yards. And 7th in touchdowns. Pretty good for a tight end. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Idk i believe he’s second all time on the eagles receptions behind Carmichael. He’s 5th all time in receiving yards. And 7th in touchdowns. Pretty good for a tight end. 

You're right.  I'm just not a fan.  I appreciate all hes done especially 2017.

They should be open to almost any position at #6, they need an impact player, difference maker who isn't just a decent starter.  It would be great if that were on defense because they lack young great talent on defense badly.  WR and CB are definite needs but you also look at other positions.  They like taking linemen high so we'll see.

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

You're right.  I'm just not a fan.  I appreciate all hes done especially 2017.

I think The thing that kills Zach Ertz is playing in the era with Travis Kelce, George Kittle and Gronkowski. All three of those guys are the complete tight end that gives you that physicality as a blocker and are great at receiving as well. When you look at those three I think people expected Zach Ertz to play like that and be like that. That’s just not the type of player he is. Dallas Goedert in terms of their physicality and be able to receive is closer to them than the type of player Zach Ertz models his game after. I don’t think Dallas Goedert ever gets to that type of production or value that those 3 tight ends have but his game is set up similarly to what people Love about those three

40 minutes ago, greend said:

I don't get it

It's supposed to show the Cardinals coaches house who only has 5 wins pimped out like a Mack Daddy and Bill Belichick just sitting in the house in a dining room that looks like it's from the 80s.

However if I'm correct looking at that picture that house is actually Sean mcvay's house. They showed that one time on ballers and that was the exact house that I see in that picture.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think The thing that kills Zach Ertz is playing in the era with Travis Kelce, George Kittle and Gronkowski. All three of those guys are the complete tight end that gives you that physicality as a blocker and are great at receiving as well. When you look at those three I think people expected Zach Ertz to play like that and be like that. That’s just not the type of player he is. Dallas Goedert in terms of their physicality and be able to receive is closer to them than the type of player Zach Ertz models his game after. I don’t think Dallas Goedert ever gets to that type of production or value that those 3 tight ends have but his game is set up similarly to what people Love about those three

Makes sense.  I just never liked that he got very little YAC.  TEs are usually ruff, rugged and break tackles, get extra yards.  Even guys around the league that you dont hear alot about are very physical and punish tacklers.

Ertz is more a finesse, possession TE.  He did excel at moving the chains and that's very important.  I also remember his first 2-3 years he caught the ball and basically went down.

25 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The more I look into the draft, the more I come out thinking this is just not a good top 10 draft class. 

QB: Probably the strongest position, but not amazing. Lawrence, Fields and Wilson should be locks. Lance maybe. 

RB/TE: None, unless someone reaches for Pitts at the back end.

WR: Chase, Smith, maybe Wadle.

OL: Sewell. Maybe Slater, but feel like it would be a reach for a team with a need.

DL: IMO, none. Paye and Rousseau would both be reaches but are probably the top 2.

LB: Parsons

CB: Farley and Surtain. Personally I don't think either are top 10 prospects and will only go because its a weak top end class. 

S: None.

What this all tells me is there should be a run on QB's early and often. You pretty much have to hope Lance or Wilson slip to 6 if you want any shot of trading back. If you stay put, there's not many options. It's easy to say OL/DL should be the pick, but in this class it would be a reach. CB is a big need, but again, probably would be a reach, imo. Parsons I'm not even going to consider based on the Eagles history. Maybe this is the year they over correct at LB and take him, but I'm betting they don't. 

I don't know but I think part of the reason that people don't think this is a great class is the limited college season.  So I am not sure how fair the concerns over depth are at this point. I think we will know more when it comes to testing.  I think a lot of the boards from the draft "experts" are not that meaningful at this point.  I agree there's not a Myles Garrett or Chase Young.  The consensus number 1 is a QB.  I do think there are impact players that will be available at 6.  Parsons would be an impact player.  Either Farley or Surtain would be an impact player for this team.  Jeremiah compared Farley to Smith but thought Farley was better than Smith.  He thinks Surtain is like Byron Jones.  Both of those players would be impact starters for this team. Smith or Chase would be impact players.  I also think they are players that would be top 10 players in other years.  Parsons is another top 10 type of talent.  Parsons would be a big difference maker.  Given that at least 2 teams should be picking QB ahead of the Eagles, I think they will have an impact starter available at 6.  I hope they would consider trading back, maybe with Carolina or Denver and pick a similar player.  

19 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Here's another one:  I never really liked him.  Solid TE, had a few very good years, a little overrated.

You're a terrible person.