40 minutes ago, devpool said:

I really HOPE that the WIP report is right and the team is actually communicating with Carson. I personally don't believe the report since no one else has corroborated it, but I hope it's true. 

If they're talking to wentz and telling him they still want him here and sirianni is talking about how he wants the offense to go with wentz in it maybe he is more willing to stay. But if it's true wentz only has an issue with Howie and lurie obviously isn't going to fire his love child, wentz might just sit out

I would be 1000% shocked if Wentz sat out.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just to point this out with your links 

in the last five years the eagles draft capital vs return is 95% only 8 teams are worse then the eagles. 

meanwhile draft return in the last five years is 2.37%. There is 1 team worse than the eagles that’s the Jets. 

Yes, they had a win now strategy, the deal for Wentz, and Tate and Slay cost them a bunch of 1st and 2nd day picks, which is why they were last in expected draft value.

8 teams were 90% or worse, Eagles were 95%. 12 teams were 106% or higher. So 12 teams between 95-105%, which is probably one player (i.e. Dillard doesn't tear his biceps).

Like I said, mediocre drafting with limited draft assets won't produce a lot of value.

I expect Howie will draft much better the next three years, both because they're rebuilding (less pressure to vary from BPA) and because I think Sirianni's coaching staff is far better at developing players than Doug/Schwartz - the only good developmental coach the last few years (i.e. turned marginal players into starters and top reserves) was Stoutland. I also expect Sirianni's staff to be better at communicating what they want to the personnel group - I never had a clue what Doug or Schwartz actually wanted, Maddox/Douglas, Sweat/Barnett, what was his philosophy? Same with Doug.

It's easier to pick at #6 and #38 than #21 and #53, but just as important, having coaches who know the kind of players they want and know how to develop them when the personnel guys find them will increase the odds of hitting on the third day. Indy hasn't hit much on these guys the last two years (but all are still on the roster), but it usually takes a couple seasons for marginal players to emerge.

2019:  Willis SS #109 (starter)

2018:  Hines RB #104, Wilkins RB #169, Adams LB #221 (backup/ST)

2017:  Mack RB #143, Stewart DT #144 (starting NT), Walker MLB #161 (starter)

 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

I wonder how the Gorilla Glue lady is doing.  Can't believe people are actually sending her money.

Last I saw of it she was planning to sue the company because it didn't explicitly state that it's not hair product lol

6 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Yes, they had a win now strategy, the deal for Wentz, and Tate and Slay cost them a bunch of 1st and 2nd day picks, which is why they were last in expected draft value.

8 teams were 90% or worse, Eagles were 95%. 12 teams were 106% or higher. So 12 teams between 95-105%, which is probably one player (i.e. Dillard doesn't tear his biceps).

Like I said, mediocre drafting with limited draft assets won't produce a lot of value.

I expect Howie will draft much better the next three years, both because they're rebuilding (less pressure to vary from BPA) and because I think Sirianni's coaching staff is far better at developing players than Doug/Schwartz - the only good developmental coach the last few years (i.e. turned marginal players into starters and top reserves) was Stoutland. I also expect Sirianni's staff to be better at communicating what they want to the personnel group - I never had a clue what Doug or Schwartz actually wanted, Maddox/Douglas, Sweat/Barnett, what was his philosophy? Same with Doug.

It's easier to pick at #6 and #38 than #21 and #53, but just as important, having coaches who know the kind of players they want and know how to develop them when the personnel guys find them will increase the odds of hitting on the third day. Indy hasn't hit much on these guys the last two years (but all are still on the roster), but it usually takes a couple seasons for marginal players to emerge.

2019:  Willis SS #109 (starter)

2018:  Hines RB #104, Wilkins RB #169, Adams LB #221 (backup/ST)

2017:  Mack RB #143, Stewart DT #144 (starting NT), Walker MLB #161 (starter)

 

Sure.. confirmation bias 

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Yes, they had a win now strategy, the deal for Wentz, and Tate and Slay cost them a bunch of 1st and 2nd day picks, which is why they were last in expected draft value.

8 teams were 90% or worse, Eagles were 95%. 12 teams were 106% or higher. So 12 teams between 95-105%, which is probably one player (i.e. Dillard doesn't tear his biceps).

Like I said, mediocre drafting with limited draft assets won't produce a lot of value.

I expect Howie will draft much better the next three years, both because they're rebuilding (less pressure to vary from BPA) and because I think Sirianni's coaching staff is far better at developing players than Doug/Schwartz - the only good developmental coach the last few years (i.e. turned marginal players into starters and top reserves) was Stoutland. I also expect Sirianni's staff to be better at communicating what they want to the personnel group - I never had a clue what Doug or Schwartz actually wanted, Maddox/Douglas, Sweat/Barnett, what was his philosophy? Same with Doug.

It's easier to pick at #6 and #38 than #21 and #53, but just as important, having coaches who know the kind of players they want and know how to develop them when the personnel guys find them will increase the odds of hitting on the third day. Indy hasn't hit much on these guys the last two years (but all are still on the roster), but it usually takes a couple seasons for marginal players to emerge.

2019:  Willis SS #109 (starter)

2018:  Hines RB #104, Wilkins RB #169, Adams LB #221 (backup/ST)

2017:  Mack RB #143, Stewart DT #144 (starting NT), Walker MLB #161 (starter)

 

Whatever excuse you want to use when your 2nd worse in draft return it’s not very good. Not only that they dealt 2 firsts for wentz and yet somehow drafted wentz with the pick and then dealt Bradford to get a first back. They got a comp 3rd for tate so that’s another 3rd. But according to you after 100 it just automatically becomes a crapshoot so if it were 10 picks earlier it’s completely different lol. Additionally they had 2 2nd rounders and 1st. They got dillard who may or may not been any good. Sanders who’s a RB who’s good but nagging injuries and JJAW who’s a complete bust. This year the team picking behind the eagles got Justin jefferson the eagles got reagor. The eagles haven’t maximized the picks they have. I don’t care if they are at 6 or 20. The fact was they could have had jefferson or aiyuk and yet wound up with reagor who had issues that DJ discussed leading up to the draft. They scouted and got JJAW wrong. They reached for hurts. These are their own bad decisions not where they were picking. There were good players they missed on

let’s not sugar coat it. They haven’t drafted well nor developed players very well. That’s the sad truth you don’t want to believe. 

They had the lowest expected value from the draft in the NFL the last five years, so average drafting is going to result in one of the worst draft performances.

The next three years they're likely to be in the top 5 in expected draft value, especially if they trade Wentz, Ertz one or two others and get multiple comp picks.

1 hour ago, greend said:

Then you don't trade him. It's just that simple. Just because you want him gone doesn't mean they're gonna give him away. 

I'm convinced that the Wentz haters in here (and everywhere else) would prefer that we get pennies on the dollar for Wentz, just so they can proclaim that "He sucks and the rest of the league agrees."  

12 minutes ago, austinfan said:

They had the lowest expected value from the draft in the NFL the last five years, so average drafting is going to result in one of the worst draft performances.

The next three years they're likely to be in the top 5 in expected draft value, especially if they trade Wentz, Ertz one or two others and get multiple comp picks.

And they didn’t even have average drafting imo. They had below average. So there’s that. And they put themselves in that position with their moves. So your justification is because they had lowest expected value from the draft meanwhile they put themselves in that position with numerous moves they shouldn’t have made like tate which they got a comp 3rd back and they added a 2nd with the goedert trade back and got a first with Bradford.  no one put the eagles in the position they were in besides the eagles for making the moves and decisions they did. So it’s still on them  

Afan at it again 

17 minutes ago, hputenis said:

I'm convinced that the Wentz haters in here (and everywhere else) would prefer that we get pennies on the dollar for Wentz, just so they can proclaim that "He sucks and the rest of the league agrees."  

He led the league in INTs this year.  He's actually really great.

21 minutes ago, hputenis said:

I'm convinced that the Wentz haters in here (and everywhere else) would prefer that we get pennies on the dollar for Wentz, just so they can proclaim that "He sucks and the rest of the league agrees."  

Nah I want at least a 1

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Afan at it again 

I'm willing to bet that Afan looks nothing like a Spartan warrior.

2 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

I'm willing to bet that Afan looks nothing like a Spartan warrior.

they come in all shapes and sizes 

40 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Last I saw of it she was planning to sue the company because it didn't explicitly state that it's not hair product lol

I don't think my Glock says NOT to shoot my toe off. HHHhhhmmmm

8 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

I'm willing to bet that Afan looks nothing like a Spartan warrior.

More like a Norseman.

10 minutes ago, Mortimer said:

He led the league in INTs this year.  He's actually really great.

Ben had the most in 2018

Rivers had the most in 2016 and 2014

Peyton had 2nd most in 2015

Eli in 2013

 

That's as far back as I felt like going

Larry Flynt died.

18 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

I'm willing to bet that Afan looks nothing like a Spartan warrior.

10 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

I don't think my Glock says NOT to shoot my toe off. HHHhhhmmmm

The sad thing is she's getting a lot of support and money in a gofundme...and now she has some in the media crying racism because why not.

21 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Afan at it again 

It really is baffling the mental gymnastics he's going through to defend an organization that has done literally nothing right for 3 years straight. They won one super bowl, wooooo! Didn't know one was the only goal. Every move they have made since that year has been terrible. I don't care if he tries to justify it as them "going all in for another". If that was them going all in how could you defend it when most of the moves didn't make sense at the time they were made??

Trades

Tate- awful

Avery-awful

Desean-awful 

FA

Wallace-i liked him, got hurt immediately 

Goodwin-again trying an oft injured band aid; opted out for covid

Jackson-awful (waste of money at a position of strength)

Hargrave-awful (another waste, even worse than jackson)

Draft- do we even need to do this?

Going all in by making the worst moves possible and still afan is bending over backwards to defend Howie. If he hadn't been around these boards for so long before Howie I really would think it was Howie himself or at least someone close to him.

 

5 hours ago, jwill2420 said:

Phil Simms says a source he trust says Carson prefers to play in Indianapolis. I know I know Not a worthy source blah blah blah. TIFWIW

Yeah he's not worthy. I mean who could Simms possibly know in the nfl to get such important info 🙄

The only good trades Howie ever made trading was Byron Maxwell to Dolphins and other moves he made to get the Eagles up to 2 for Wentz and then the trade for Jay Ajayi.

That's it for 10 years as GM. 

 

And for that you have idiots like Joe Decamera crying about how great Howie is today. 

 

15 minutes ago, devpool said:

It really is baffling the mental gymnastics he's going through to defend an organization that has done literally nothing right for 3 years straight. They won one super bowl, wooooo! Didn't know one was the only goal. Every move they have made since that year has been terrible. I don't care if he tries to justify it as them "going all in for another". If that was them going all in how could you defend it when most of the moves didn't make sense at the time they were made??

Trades

Tate- awful

Avery-awful

Desean-awful 

FA

Wallace-i liked him, got hurt immediately 

Goodwin-again trying an oft injured band aid; opted out for covid

Jackson-awful (waste of money at a position of strength)

Hargrave-awful (another waste, even worse than jackson)

Draft- do we even need to do this?

Going all in by making the worst moves possible and still afan is bending over backwards to defend Howie. If he hadn't been around these boards for so long before Howie I really would think it was Howie himself or at least someone close to him.

 

Wallace, Malik were never injured until they came here, Darby started 14 and 15 games, 16 in Washington, Hicks couldn't stay healthy, started 16 games in Dallas. Dillard! Brooks missed more games to anxiety than injury until last year. Driscoll gets injured as soon as he starts. I mean it has been a bit ridiculous. Ertz goes down after years of durability. And so on.

DeSean getting injured wasn't surprising, but Hilton got injured in 2019 (same size) and played 15 games last year. Lane, bad luck with the ankle.

Hargrave is a solid pickup, only 28 next year and he's made the transition from 2 gap to 1 gap DT, fortunately, Gannon will probably bring the Indy 4-3 with him.

Get used to having Howie around the next three years, if they're not competitive in 2023 Lurie will make a change, but not before then.

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

The only good trades Howie ever made trading was Byron Maxwell to Dolphins and other moves he made to get the Eagles up to 2 for Wentz and then the trade for Jay Ajayi.

That's it for 10 years as GM. 

 

And for that you have idiots like Joe Decamera crying about how great Howie is today. 

 

I think Hargrave will prove to have been a good acquisition

 

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

I think Hargrave will prove to have been a good acquisition

I think he already did.