1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Curious to see the answers who would you say is the eagles best draft pick over the last 5 years? 

wentz— drafted to be the franchise QB for the next decade and being dealt 

sanders— good running back who has some nagging injuries throughout the 2 years

goedert— good tight end who also has been hit with the injury bug at times

mailata— starting to look like a future starting left tackle 

jalen mills— started every year he’s been here

seumalo— above average starting left tackle in the league 

barnett— solid starter who may or may not be here long term 

Vaitai— solid swing tackle

sweat— good rotational DE might be able to be a starter if he can hold up which is unknown 

 Now do worst 

6 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Mailata, considering his upside, inexperience, and age, has a chance to be the best of the bunch. Dude is only 23, is barely 3 years into playing football at any level, and is already an above average LT.

should line him up at RB when we are in the redzone

Jordan Mailata the best

Sidney Jones the worst

 

this is a fun watch, Jordan is special

12 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Nah, after 2018, it was obvious the day of reckoning was coming, Howie wasted some of Jeff's money, but a rebuild was inevitable. Eagles got lucky by tanking, 4-11-1 is far better than 7-9 and picking #15, #47 and #79. As far as Wentz, Doug was kept around a year too long and he left him out to dry, but this may also reflect a problem with small college QBs, if you play for Alabama or Clemson et al, you're used to pressure, blame and fans. In that sense, Hurts as a rookie was more prepared for adversity than Wentz in his fifth season, Hurts had already ridden the roller coaster (starter, benched, starter in big game, starter for another premier program).

Even if you have the cap room, you don't want to add FAs until the end of the rebuild b/c for most players the first three years of a new deal are their best years (if you're signing 26-27 year olds, if you're signing 30 year old players it should only be to 1-2 year deals). The winter of 2023 is when Howie should go shopping, and finish the winter of 2024. Next two years are about drafting, auditioning and teaching.

The day of reckoning was obvious yet Howie still traded a 3/5 for Slay, attempted to extend Ertz with two years left on his deal and paid good money for a 27-year-old DT who will be approaching 30 when we’re relevant again. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

The day of reckoning was obvious yet Howie still traded a 3/5 for Slay, attempted to extend Ertz with two years left on his deal and paid good money for a 27-year-old DT who will be approaching 30 when we’re relevant again. 

33 minutes ago, austinfan said:

DT wasn't a position of strength b/c Jerrigan hurt his neck and wasn't the same after that.

Darby was much better when healthy, and how much of his struggles were bad coaching, seems he was much better in Washington

Hargrave was due to Malik's injury (dominoes), the back seven was so bad if you can't get pressure up the middle, just raise the white flag.

Howie will get a chance to preside over the rebuild, and it'll take three years to know if he's successful - Lurie ignores fanbase, win and they'll adore you, bring in a "football guy" and lose and you'll hear the exact same crap.

They've been losing for 3 seasons, despite the feaux playoff appearances you want to cling to. This team has not been good since the super bowl season and it is all howie's doing. Lurie can ignore the fanbase until he starts losing money, which will probably start this season and will get worse with each terrible move Howie makes 

9 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Jordan Mailata the best

Sidney Jones the worst

 

I’d argue JJAW. I think jones you can say the Achilles couldve changed his trajectory. JJAW has just not been simply good and a lot of draft analysts had him anywhere from round 2-4

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The day of reckoning was obvious yet Howie still traded a 3/5 for Slay, attempted to extend Ertz with two years left on his deal and paid good money for a 27-year-old DT who will be approaching 30 when we’re relevant again. 

  Its a shame no one pointed out how stupid that was at the time.

 

BTW... he didn't just trade the picks.  He traded the picks and signed him to a new deal.   Same stupid move as he did with Desean, though that was a cheaper trade.  But, it was for an older player and so even more stupid than the Slay move.  

12 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

  Its a shame no one pointed out how stupid that was at the time.

 

BTW... he didn't just trade the picks.  He traded the picks and signed him to a new deal.   Same stupid move as he did with Desean, though that was a cheaper trade.  But, it was for an older player and so even more stupid than the Slay move.  

You and i were about the only ones who said it. I was adamant that Anderson would be the best investment they could make long term and helps your qb. Especially when he sat on the market and his price dropped. I thought if you are going after a corner then go sign Byron jones even if you overpaid cause at least you’d have your draft picks when a rebuild was coming (should’ve actually started then) and when you were finally good again you could just move jones to safety if he declined at corner as he’s played both and still get 3 more good years after the rebuild. 

it wasn’t that the value was awful for slay but they didn’t have the picks to give up knowing they were in a rebuild and the end of 2019 was fools gold for me so you needed to rebuild with picks not trade then and use up cap

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You and i were about the only ones who said it. I was adamant that Anderson would be the best investment they could make long term and helps your qb. Especially when he sat on the market and his price dropped. I thought if you are going after a corner then go sign Byron jones even if you overpaid cause at least you’d have your draft picks when a rebuild was coming (should’ve actually started then) and when you were finally good again you could just move jones to safety if he declined at corner as he’s played both and still get 3 more good years after the rebuild. 

it wasn’t that the value was awful for slay but they didn’t have the picks to give up knowing they were in a rebuild and the end of 2019 was fools gold for me so you needed to rebuild with picks not trade then and use up cap

Jones wasn't going to be an option, as he chose to leave the NFC East.  Which is fine.  But Slay wasn't a good alternative, because of the cost (picks and money).

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Jones wasn't going to be an option, as he chose to leave the NFC East.  Which is fine.  But Slay wasn't a good alternative, because of the cost (picks and money).

That’s why i would’ve gone lesser corner knowing we were going into a rebuild once jones said he was out. I was ok with Kevin Johnson,  breeland and to a lesser extent Dennard. Not that they were great or good but they weren’t a SB contender and financially and picks wise with a rebuild that was needed that you could afford dealing a 3rd and 5 and then spend big money. 

33 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Maybe Springsteen couldn’t find the "middle” because he was drunk.  

He was born to run not drive 

36 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Jordan Mailata the best

Sidney Jones the worst

 

I can’t call Jones the worst especially since the majority was on board with it at the time. Davion Taylor, IMO, is the worst. Clayton Thorson is close but he has the benefit of being a late round pick but I have no clue what they ever saw in him. 

Has Jody MacDonald gone senile. Haven't listened to the guy in a very long time and put on WIP tonight at 10 for something different. He thinks the best the Eagles will do for Wentz is a 3rd OR 4th round pick, that's it. While I agree that some of the leaked rumors of compensation for Wentz are unrealistic, AT THE VERY LEAST they are getting a 2nd and another day two or very early day three pick.

7 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Has Jody MacDonald gone senile. Haven't listened to the guy in a very long time and put on WIP tonight at 10 for something different. He thinks the best the Eagles will do for Wentz is a 3rd OR 4th round pick, that's it. While I agree that some of the leaked rumors of compensation for Wentz are unrealistic, AT THE VERY LEAST they are getting a 2nd and another day two or very early day three pick.

Probably just going off what Joe Banner said plus being extra dramatic for people to call in.

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Probably just going off what Joe Banner said plus being extra dramatic for people to call in.

A 3rd OR 4th at best is taking extra dramatic to another level. You are probably correct though about saying it to get people to call in.

1 hour ago, devpool said:

They've been losing for 3 seasons, despite the feaux playoff appearances you want to cling to. This team has not been good since the super bowl season and it is all howie's doing. Lurie can ignore the fanbase until he starts losing money, which will probably start this season and will get worse with each terrible move Howie makes 

Making the playoffs is "losing," including winning a playoff game and coming close in two losses (one due to a dirty hit by Clowney).

I'm sure the Cowboys would love to lose by that standard. 😄

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You and i were about the only ones who said it. I was adamant that Anderson would be the best investment they could make long term and helps your qb. Especially when he sat on the market and his price dropped. I thought if you are going after a corner then go sign Byron jones even if you overpaid cause at least you’d have your draft picks when a rebuild was coming (should’ve actually started then) and when you were finally good again you could just move jones to safety if he declined at corner as he’s played both and still get 3 more good years after the rebuild. 

it wasn’t that the value was awful for slay but they didn’t have the picks to give up knowing they were in a rebuild and the end of 2019 was fools gold for me so you needed to rebuild with picks not trade then and use up cap

Would you get off the Anderson kick? He was going to Carolina to play for his college coach. Players get to choose in free agency, although many fans think otherwise.

16 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Would you get off the Anderson kick? He was going to Carolina to play for his college coach. Players get to choose in free agency, although many fans think otherwise.

Actually he sat on the market for about a week and the free agent negotiating window so just about 9-10 days. So he was not a lock to go to Carolina. He sat out there you could’ve went after him and got him. Way less money then they spent on slay who’s about to see his last couple prime years wasted and throwing away a third. He went to Carolina because his former college coach went after him and gave him the best contract on the market after a week. Which means that you had a week plus the 2 day window. So no it wasn’t a given he’d go there. The Eagles made a decision they didn’t want to go after any veteran free agents because they want to build a young nucleus of wide receivers which they have been crap at drafting and developing them over a five-year window. And they could’ve traded for him in the past if your lord and savior howie didn’t go after old injury prone wrs and give them new contracts or restructured when they were breaking down  

I will once you get off your howie roseman makes no mistakes, is flawless, they knew this day was coming even though poor drafts weren’t part of the plan and the eagles actually drafted well shtick ends. So I’m guessing neither of us are doing that. 

45 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Has Jody MacDonald gone senile. Haven't listened to the guy in a very long time and put on WIP tonight at 10 for something different. He thinks the best the Eagles will do for Wentz is a 3rd OR 4th round pick, that's it. While I agree that some of the leaked rumors of compensation for Wentz are unrealistic, AT THE VERY LEAST they are getting a 2nd and another day two or very early day three pick.

Macman is senile. Eagles aren’t eating that cap hit and trading away a potential lottery ticket for a 3rd round pick. Eagles are better off keeping him.

24 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Making the playoffs is "losing," including winning a playoff game and coming close in two losses (one due to a dirty hit by Clowney).

I'm sure the Cowboys would love to lose by that standard. 😄

Yeah, backing into the playoffs because you play in the weakest division in the league is losing. Keep clinging to those meaningless playoff births, this org has you eating right out of their hands. You've fallen for every bit of spin they put out. 

If we made the playoffs this year at 6-10 you would be in here celebrating and saying the season was a success? Because that's what you're saying, making the playoffs is a success no matter how bad the team looks during the season.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Actually he sat on the market for about a week and the free agent negotiating window so just about 9-10 days. So he was not a lock to go to Carolina. He sat out there you could’ve went after him and got him. He went to Carolina because his former college coach went after him and gave him the best contract on the market after a week. Which means that you had a week plus the the 2 day window. with no one was going after him to go after him. The Eagles made a decision they didn’t want to go after any veteran free agents because they want to build a young nucleus of wide receivers which they have been **** at drafting and developing them over a five-year window. And they could’ve traded for him in the past if your lord and savior howie didn’t go after old injury prone wrs and give them new contracts when they were breaking down  

I will once you get off your delusional howie roseman makes no mistakes and is flawless and the eagles actually drafted well stick ends. So I’m guessing neither of us are doing that. 

How the F can anyone defend Howie to this extent?  It's utterly stupefying. 

And we could have traded for Anderson instead of Tate, though it would have costed us a pick one round higher.  Anderson was the better fit at the position we really needed and not another slot WR (which is what Tate was at that point in his career), which is where Aggy needed to play because for some reason he wasn't good on the outside playing in midnight green.  In Tate we basically gave up a 3rd for nothing as his contributions were minimal since our O staff "couldn't figure out how to use him".

And Anderson went to Temple (was also born in NNJ and raised there until moving to FLA as a child) so knows Philly so even as a FA why wouldn't he consider playing here, especially if our offer was a little better?  Though we should have traded for him when we had the chance then signed him to an extension.  His current contract is 2yrs for $20M with $12M guaranteed.  DJack is 3yrs for $27.9M with $15M guaranteed.  And you and I both liked Tyrell Williams from the Chargers, too. 

 

I don't think Howie is flawless, and I said the drafting was mediocre.

But I think a lot of issues the last three years were due to winning the SB. I think Lurie was the driving force behind keeping the band together, which is why Lurie doesn't blame Howie, I mean Lurie fired Banner, he puts his team ahead of personal loyalty. I also think Lurie learns from his mistakes, he tends to move a year late (same with AR) because he is loyal. But once he realizes it's time to move on, he does what's necessary.

I don't think Lurie micro-manages, there's little evidence of that, rather, he's the COB who makes the big strategic decisions, do we rebuild, reload or go for it? Do we stick wit the HC or go a new direction. He wants to be in the loop (hey, it is his team), and he has the final say. But most of the decisions are below his level, however, he probably has to sign off before giving a $100M to Cox or Wentz. So I figure Howie gave him the pros and cons of going for it after 2018 and Lurie made the final call.

Howie is the CEO, he tries to build consensus, but he's the final arbiter. During a rebuild, he's going to side more with the personnel guys, when the team is competitive, he's going to feel more pressure to give a winning coach what he thinks he needs to get over the hump. I think we can all agree that there was a lot of confusion in the organization, especially after Reich left, that. No GM can make it work if there isn't a coherent offensive and defensive philosophy, and I'll be damned if I could tell you what it was after 2017, other than RPO concepts on offense and a bend but don't break 4-3 on defense.

I think one thing they were looking in the interviews was someone who had a coherent vision of how to conduct a rebuild that jibed with their experience. They didn't want someone coming in and telling them he can turn it around in 2021, selling snake oil. They wanted to hear about the potential HC's philosophy and schemes but also how he would structure practices and develop players throughout the off-season and during the season. I think the organization works best when there's a general consensus about the approach to roster building and play book development and defensive schemes. The personnel guys know what the coaches want and the coaches know how'll they'll use the players the personnel guys find for them.

That's why I'm not worried about Howie or Sirianni. Howie knows how to do rebuilds and Sirianni has put together what looks like a solid developmental staff, especially when it comes to WRs and DBs, the two weakest spots on the current roster.

Howie cleaned up the Dream Team in a year, he cleaned up the mess Chip left behind in two years. In a rebuild, he can be a "shark," and dump players at will. And he's good at finding value on the street, off practice squads, late rounds and UDFAs. That's why the rebuild essentially began last year, a lot of young players were cycled in.

Come 2023, we'll know if it worked out, because they should be starting the next phase that winter.

 

27 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

How the F can anyone defend Howie to this extent?  It's utterly stupefying. 

And we could have traded for Anderson instead of Tate, though it would have costed us a pick one round higher.  Anderson was the better fit at the position we really needed and not another slot WR (which is what Tate was at that point in his career), which is where Aggy needed to play because for some reason he wasn't good on the outside playing in midnight green.  In Tate we basically gave up a 3rd for nothing as his contributions were minimal since our O staff "couldn't figure out how to use him".

And Anderson went to Temple (was also born in NNJ and raised there until moving to FLA as a child) so knows Philly so even as a FA why wouldn't he consider playing here, especially if our offer was a little better?  Though we should have traded for him when we had the chance then signed him to an extension.  His current contract is 2yrs for $20M with $12M guaranteed.  DJack is 3yrs for $27.9M with $15M guaranteed.  And you and I both liked Tyrell Williams from the Chargers, too. 

 

yep. the Raiders got Williams on a good deal. They could’ve walked away from Tyrelle Williams after the first year with no cap hit and cleared like $11 million in cap space if released by March 20th last year. unfortunately turned out that he got hurt but his first year in Oakland he was actually pretty productive and would’ve been a nice addition to the Eagles.  gave them something they didn’t have and was younger than DeSean

like you said he was from the area originally. New Jersey, lived in Florida for a while and went to temple. So he is from the area. So you have that factor and you’re telling me he wouldn’t consider playing with a much better quarterback at that particular point in time in Carson Wentz over Teddy Bridgewater so that when he got into his next contract in a year or two he could cash out? Yeah. You can make any excuse you really want but the fact of the matter was there was multiple reports saying the Eagles didn’t wanna sign a veteran free agent wide receiver because they wanted to build their own wide receiving corps to grow with Carson Wentz. Meanwhile they have been atrocious at drafting wide receivers and developing them. Yet they believed they could do it all in one offseason. That sure turned out well