19 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 You can make any excuse you really want but the fact of the matter was there was multiple reports saying the Eagles didn’t wanna sign a veteran free agent wide receiver because they wanted to build their own wide receiving corps to grow with Carson Wentz. Meanwhile they have been atrocious at drafting wide receivers and developing them. Yet they believed they could do it all in one offseason. That sure turned out well 

The Eagles under Doug and Schwartz failed to develop WRs and DBs. I suspect both coaches preferred to go with veterans, and Doug probably preferred a proven quantity like Jeffrey and Smith/Wallace/DeSean over a young unproven WR like Anderson (who struggled with the Jets - 54.2% catch rate, 750 yards per year, Agholor numbers). Williams had one big year at 24, he was meh in 2018 and 2019. That would also explain why they traded for Tate, another "proven" veteran.

Same reason they traded for Darby, then Slay, they couldn't develop their own. Nor do I have a clue what Schwartz wanted in a DB.

One advantage of cap hell is it eliminates the possibility of bringing in veterans, I don't think Sirianni cares, they developed WRs and TEs in Indy, but it does force a commitment to a real rebuild, rather than going out and buying players to make a HC happy.

39 minutes ago, devpool said:

Yeah, backing into the playoffs because you play in the weakest division in the league is losing. Keep clinging to those meaningless playoff births, this org has you eating right out of their hands. You've fallen for every bit of spin they put out. 

If we made the playoffs this year at 6-10 you would be in here celebrating and saying the season was a success? Because that's what you're saying, making the playoffs is a success no matter how bad the team looks during the season.

6-10 isn't quite the same as 9-7 with an unusual amount of injuries, which happened every year since 2017. And most of the injuries happened to players with histories of being durable.

33 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The Eagles under Doug and Schwartz failed to develop WRs and DBs. I suspect both coaches preferred to go with veterans, and Doug probably preferred a proven quantity like Jeffrey and Smith/Wallace/DeSean over a young unproven WR like Anderson (who struggled with the Jets - 54.2% catch rate, 750 yards per year, Agholor numbers). Williams had one big year at 24, he was meh in 2018 and 2019. That would also explain why they traded for Tate, another "proven" veteran.

Same reason they traded for Darby, then Slay, they couldn't develop their own. Nor do I have a clue what Schwartz wanted in a DB.

One advantage of cap hell is it eliminates the possibility of bringing in veterans, I don't think Sirianni cares, they developed WRs and TEs in Indy, but it does force a commitment to a real rebuild, rather than going out and buying players to make a HC happy.

And I brought this up last off-season with Anderson he played for the Jets under Adam Gase and a bunch of crappy quarterbacks like the worst quarterbacks besides Sam darnold and not even the good Ryan Fitzpatrick. Wait there’s more they also had one of the worst offensive lines in the league so bad qb and bad olines. Probably doesn’t help with his stats and catch percentage as they were always under duress and not exactly great to begin with. The fact he was dealing with bad coaches and bad quarterbacks it still was productive and played almost every single game should’ve been an indicator that if you put them with a good quarterback he probably would be even better 

Trust me I went into this last February and last March. Every single day i did.  Trust me I went full detail into why if he got out of New York like everybody else is gone away from Adam Gase you’d see good improvement. Go look at Robbie Anderson‘s quarterback and tell me which one of those guys has been so good that it wouldnt have been a dramatic increase to go from them to Carson Wentz at that time  

So you could give me any stat you want he went to Carolina and played with a mediocre quarterback in Bridgewater who is better than anybody else he’s played with because Donald couldn’t stay healthy and put up career numbers. With a quarterback that’s not even very good at throwing the deep ball down the field. So take your stats when he was with the Jets and trash them cause the skewed because Adam Gase is a moron and the Jets had bowles prior who’s not an offensive genius. Also The fact of the matter was he still had a better 3-year window compared (2017-2019) to DeSean Jackson and stayed healthy

you can blame it on the coaches you can say whatever you want they had an opportunity to do it. Howie Roseman who has complete control over the roster and what moves they make and who they draft. He decided to do it. And guess what it turned out to be a colossal failure in year one of that corps whereas Robbie Anderson went to Carolina and with a marginal QB had good numbers. Like I predicted he would when he left the Jets

And williams meh 2018 and 2019 was still better than desean’s three years from 2018-2020. So if we’re going to say meh to him then what do you call DeSean Jackson who you knew was 33, making similar money and injury prone. Also if Williams didn’t pan out you could’ve walked away from him after one year with the contract he took. Meanwhile with desean you were stuck with him for at least two years and it’s still going to somewhat hurt you in year three. And you had to give up draft capital once again

let’s let’s end it on this. If next year with new coaches who have shown they can develop wide receivers elsewhere have JJAW and reagor still struggle to look like competent  starting NFL wide receivers then maybe the person who’s making the selections needs to be looked at a little more closely. 

TATE:

Carson Wentz is terrible, was the worst QB in the league in 2020, is a selfish POS, a baby, a mental midget, has never been good other than 2017, is dumb as rocks, can't play football, can't be fixed.

Also TATE:

We're going to trade him for at least a first, a player and another pick easy peasy lemon squeezy.

What a bunch of mouth breathers.

27 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The Eagles under Doug and Schwartz failed to develop WRs and DBs. I suspect both coaches preferred to go with veterans, and Doug probably preferred a proven quantity like Jeffrey and Smith/Wallace/DeSean over a young unproven WR like Anderson (who struggled with the Jets - 54.2% catch rate, 750 yards per year, Agholor numbers). Williams had one big year at 24, he was meh in 2018 and 2019. That would also explain why they traded for Tate, another "proven" veteran.

Same reason they traded for Darby, then Slay, they couldn't develop their own. Nor do I have a clue what Schwartz wanted in a DB.

One advantage of cap hell is it eliminates the possibility of bringing in veterans, I don't think Sirianni cares, they developed WRs and TEs in Indy, but it does force a commitment to a real rebuild, rather than going out and buying players to make a HC happy.

Smith didn't put up even good stats, but he played his role which was to stretch the field and make the D account for him.  Wallace was supposed to be/do the same, but unfortunately got injured and didn't have an injury history.  Which brings us to the aging WR with an injury history who wasn't able to play a full season of games since 2013.  Howie traded for him and then signed him to too big of a contract.  And how has DJack done so far since Howie brought him back?  Let's see.  In 2 seasons he's played a whopping eight games (half a season's worth in 2 seasons) with 23 receptions for 395 yards and 3 long TDs.  He's been out injured the rest of the time which is really weird because not one poster on the old EMB ever said he was a serious injury risk.  We all loved the move and were just so happy to have him back.  FFS, talk about seeing the writing on the wall with this move.  It was destined to blow up in Howie's face and anyone with an IQ higher than Forrest Gump could see it coming.

Read the bolded.  J.  E.  T.  S.  Jets.  Please tell me who their QBs were throwing to Anderson?  You're going to use his 'Aggy numbers' to put him down and call him 'unproven'?  It's the EFFING Jets.  Literally the worst NFL team over the past 5 years (at least).  Most reasonable people would think he performed well considering his situation.  But don't let context get in the way of making an objective opinion. 

And about Williams, his big year was because he was thrust into the #1 WR role when Keenan Allen was lost for the season and in just his 2nd NFL season he ponied up for 69 receptions for about 1060 yards and I think 7 TDs.  After that Allen returned and Mike Williams came along so Tyrell was like the #3 WR and he produced solid for the role.  Not 'meh' as you put it.  Again context. 

I have to seriously ask, are you Howie's dad?

 

2 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

Smith didn't put up even good stats, but he played his role which was to stretch the field and make the D account for him.  Wallace was supposed to be/do the same, but unfortunately got injured and didn't have an injury history.  Which brings us to the aging WR with an injury history who wasn't able to play a full season of games since 2013.  Howie traded for him and then signed him to too big of a contract.  And how has DJack done so far since Howie brought him back?  Let's see.  In 2 seasons he's played a whopping eight games (half a season's worth in 2 seasons) with 23 receptions for 395 yards and 3 long TDs.  He's been out injured the rest of the time which is really weird because not one poster on the old EMB ever said he was a serious injury risk.  We all loved the move and were just so happy to have him back.  FFS, talk about seeing the writing on the wall with this move.  It was destined to blow up in Howie's face and anyone with an IQ higher than Forrest Gump could see it coming.

Read the bolded.  J.  E.  T.  S.  Jets.  Please tell me who their QBs were throwing to Anderson?  You're going to use his 'Aggy numbers' to put him down and call him 'unproven'?  It's the EFFING Jets.  Literally the worst NFL over the past 5 years (at least).  Most reasonable people would think he performed well considering his situation.  But don't let context get in the way of making an objective opinion. 

And about Williams, his big year was because he was thrust into the #1 WR role when Keenan Allen was lost for the season and in just his 2nd NFL season he ponied up for 69 receptions for about 1060 yards and I think 7 TDs.  After that Allen returned and Mike Williams came along so Tyrell was like the #3 WR and he produced solid for the role.  Not 'meh' as you put it.  Again context. 

I have to seriously ask, are you Howie's dad?

 

Not only did he have a bad quarterback play with the Jets. he had Adam freaking Gase as head coach. you know Devante Parker after he left turned out to be a stud. let Ryan Tannehill go, turned out to be good. It seems to me when they get away from Adam Gase they get better. Let’s not factor that into the equation. And don’t forget the Jets had one of the worst offensive lines over the past couple years. So not only did he have a bad coach, bad quarterback play but the line didn’t hold up for most of the season with bad QBs besides darnold who missed time or was a rookie. 

20 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

And I brought this up last off-season with Anderson he played for the Jets under Adam Gase and a bunch of crappy quarterbacks like the worst quarterbacks besides Sam darnold and not even the good Ryan Fitzpatrick. Wait there’s more they also had one of the worst offensive lines in the league so bad qb and bad olines. Probably doesn’t help with his stats and catch percentage as they were always under duress and not exactly great to begin with. The fact he was dealing with bad coaches and bad quarterbacks it still was productive and played almost every single game should’ve been an indicator that if you put them with a good quarterback he probably would be even better 

Trust me I went into this last February and last March. Every single day i did.  Trust me I went full detail into why if he got out of New York like everybody else is gone away from Adam Gase you’d see good improvement. Go look at Robbie Anderson‘s quarterback and tell me which one of those guys has been so good that it wouldnt have been a dramatic increase to go from them to Carson Wentz at that time 

And williams meh 2018 and 2019 was still better than desean’s three years from 2018-2020. So if we’re going to say meh to him then what do you call DeSean Jackson who you knew was 33, making similar money and injury prone. Also if Williams didn’t pan out you could’ve walked away from him after one year with the contract he took. Meanwhile with desean you were stuck with him for at least two years and it’s still going to somewhat hurt you in year three

There are lots of players who are meh on bad teams, and were then meh on good teams. So you're a blind squirrel? 😝

DeSean healthy is a much better receiver than Williams and better than Anderson, he's special. Even if you had him for 10-12 games a season. Not just speed but he became an excellent route runner. And he opens up the field, one of the true deep threats in the game.

Unfortunately, the Eagles only had him for 8 total games. The three years before he started 15, 13 and 10 games. Probably not the best of gambles, but if you have an Agholor, why add a guy with a similar profile when you can add a proven game breaker - if getting back to the SB is your goal. Sometimes you beat the odds. Sometimes you don't.

In the end, it doesn't matter, Anderson would have made little difference, Carolina scored 350 points last year, Anderson only had 3 TD catches, he caught a lot of short passes, but he's not a difference maker.  Eagles scored 334. What would have made a bigger difference was "normal" injury luck in 2018 and 2019, and nothing in 2020, since Anderson can't play the OL or CB.

 

 

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

There are lots of players who are meh on bad teams, and were then meh on good teams. So you're a blind squirrel? 😝

DeSean healthy

 

 

Stopped reading right there.

 

52 minutes ago, austinfan said:

There are lots of players who are meh on bad teams, and were then meh on good teams. So you're a blind squirrel? 😝

DeSean healthy is a much better receiver than Williams and better than Anderson, he's special. Even if you had him for 10-12 games a season. Not just speed but he became an excellent route runner. And he opens up the field, one of the true deep threats in the game.

Unfortunately, the Eagles only had him for 8 total games. The three years before he started 15, 13 and 10 games. Probably not the best of gambles, but if you have an Agholor, why add a guy with a similar profile when you can add a proven game breaker - if getting back to the SB is your goal. Sometimes you beat the odds. Sometimes you don't.

In the end, it doesn't matter, Anderson would have made little difference, Carolina scored 350 points last year, Anderson only had 3 TD catches, he caught a lot of short passes, but he's not a difference maker.  Eagles scored 334. What would have made a bigger difference was "normal" injury luck in 2018 and 2019, and nothing in 2020.

 

 

no I just know that almost every player after Adam Gase leaves gets better.  It’s not a blind squirrel when you see it happen multiple times as in Devante Parker and tannehill  

Lol desean is never healthy. Especially not when he was older at 33. Furthermore from 2017 to 2019 Robbie Anderson had better stats with crappier quarterbacks and on a crappier team. Desean Jackson when he was in his prime and younger was better than Robbie Anderson. However from 2017 until today Robbie Anderson was better and more reliable. Anderson missed one game in his entire tenure with the Jets and none this year. Meanwhile desean continuously missed games and was 33

It wasn’t unfortunate.  only you think it was unfortunate when you are 33 years old you tend to break down more and not stay healthy as much. He already showed that but in howie Land at 33 years old he’s going to stay healthier and worth giving that type of contract too

OMG How was Agholor anything like Robbie Anderson? He failed on the outside his entire tenure as an eagle. He was a mental midget on the outside with the Eagles. How was he anything like Robbie Anderson who actually proved he could be to a legitimate deep threat on the outside with crappy jets QBs and with a crap head coach in Adam Gase? If anything Nelson agholor was similar to Golden Tate because Golden Tate had a play in the slot and Nelson Agholor prove  in Philadelphia he wasn’t consistent enough to play on the outside and was a mental midget. kept failing on the outside when they put them out there. And he played his best out of the slot. His best year with the eagles was in the slot  

yes you’re right having a competent wide receiver wouldn’t have help the Philadelphia Eagles this year. You’re right relying on three rookies, a  injury prone DeSean Jackson, an injury prone Alshon Jeffery and a crappy JJaw was the better route to go. You’re absolutely right Robbie Anderson would not make any difference 🤣😂. You honestly believe with the season Robbie Anderson had come here and was in that lineup he wouldn’t of helped the Philadelphia Eagles? And here’s a thought maybe he caught those short passes because the coach knew that Teddy Bridgewater wasn’t great at throwing the ball down the field where is Carson Wentz has a strong arm and a stronger arm the Bridgewater to get the ball downfield

First it’s Patrick Mahomes is unproven. And then it well is Watson really that much better than wentz . Now it is Robbie Anderson wouldn’t made a difference. So you’re telling me with what they had at wide receiver all year and the Eagles had that many points that if you put a good wide receiver on this team they wouldn’t have had more success? That’s Fing ridiculous

16 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

Stopped reading right there.

 

Yup should’ve followed your lead. Dave spindaro at its finest. 

Ah, the Jets, their GM the last two seasons, a real football man, Joe Douglas. Their record last year? 2-14.

His 2019 draft:

#3 Williams DT

#68 Polite LB - 0 starts in 2020

#92 Edoga T - 8 starts in 2019, 4 in 2020

#121 Wesco TE - 4 starts, 3 catches in 2 years

#157 Cashman LB - 11g, 6 starts in 2 years, can't stay healthy

#196 Austin CB - 10 starts in 2020, 16 career starts, 0 Int, 8 PD

His 2020 draft:

#11 Becton T, started 13 games

#59 Mims WR, started 8 games, 23 catches for 357 yards, 0 TD

#68 Davis S, started 6 games, 0 Int, 1 PD

#79 Zuniga DE, 8g, 0 sacks

#120 Perine RB, 64 carries, 232 yards

#125 Morgan, QB, cut

#129 Clark T, cut

#158 Hall CB, started 7 games, 1 Int, 3 PD

#191 Mann P

Guess drafting is tough even for real "real football men."

29 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Ah, the Jets, their GM the last two seasons, a real football man, Joe Douglas. Their record last year? 2-14.

His 2019 draft:

#3 Williams DT

#68 Polite LB - 0 starts in 2020

#92 Edoga T - 8 starts in 2019, 4 in 2020

#121 Wesco TE - 4 starts, 3 catches in 2 years

#157 Cashman LB - 11g, 6 starts in 2 years, can't stay healthy

#196 Austin CB - 10 starts in 2020, 16 career starts, 0 Int, 8 PD

His 2020 draft:

#11 Becton T, started 13 games

#59 Mims WR, started 8 games, 23 catches for 357 yards, 0 TD

#68 Davis S, started 6 games, 0 Int, 1 PD

#79 Zuniga DE, 8g, 0 sacks

#120 Perine RB, 64 carries, 232 yards

#125 Morgan, QB, cut

#129 Clark T, cut

#158 Hall CB, started 7 games, 1 Int, 3 PD

#191 Mann P

Guess drafting is tough even for real "real football men."

first off what the F does this have anything to do with Robbie Anderson leaving the Jets and becoming a good player?  Where in my argument did i say Joe Douglas was great? 

So because the Jets also sucked it means howie didn’t suck? Furthermore the Jets were dealing with the worst head coach in all of football and they were trying to purposely not try to win games. Congratulations they won two games and they were in a rebuild. The Eagles won four games and they were trying to make the playoffs and actively win in the worse division in the entire sport. Great job eagles and howie For those great two extra wins with one of the most expensive rosters in the league and relying on aging veterans to stay healthy 

My point to you was when talented players get away from Adam Gase they tend to get better. so Devante Parker, tannehill and Anderson proved all this. 

 

 

32 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Ah, the Jets, their GM the last two seasons, a real football man, Joe Douglas. Their record last year? 2-14.

His 2019 draft:

#3 Williams DT

#68 Polite LB - 0 starts in 2020

#92 Edoga T - 8 starts in 2019, 4 in 2020

#121 Wesco TE - 4 starts, 3 catches in 2 years

#157 Cashman LB - 11g, 6 starts in 2 years, can't stay healthy

#196 Austin CB - 10 starts in 2020, 16 career starts, 0 Int, 8 PD

His 2020 draft:

#11 Becton T, started 13 games

#59 Mims WR, started 8 games, 23 catches for 357 yards, 0 TD

#68 Davis S, started 6 games, 0 Int, 1 PD

#79 Zuniga DE, 8g, 0 sacks

#120 Perine RB, 64 carries, 232 yards

#125 Morgan, QB, cut

#129 Clark T, cut

#158 Hall CB, started 7 games, 1 Int, 3 PD

#191 Mann P

Guess drafting is tough even for real "real football men."

Joe Douglas joined the Jets in June of 2019. He had nothing to do with the Jets 2019 draft. His 2019 draft was Dillard, Sanders, JJAW, Miller, Thorson. 

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Joe Douglas joined the Jets in June of 2019. He had nothing to do with the Jets 2019 draft. His 2019 draft was Dillard, Sanders, JJAW, Miller, Thorson. 

I don’t even understand why this was brought up. I told him earlier today the Jets had the worst return on their draft picks over the last five years. The Eagles were the second worst team in terms of their draft pick return. So you’re comparing them to the worst team in the league. So we already knew they were better than the jets who were the worst draft pick return team. And Douglas has only been there for one draft.

Pointing out the only team in the league that has had worse drafting than us recently to argue that it's ok Howie sucks at drafting

Honestly we should send afan to the next Olympics with all these mental gymnastics he's performing. 

Just now, devpool said:

Pointing out the only team in the league that has had worse drafting than us recently to argue that it's ok Howie sucks at drafting

Well at least he isn't the worst GM in the league... Actually no he might still be because not only is he terrible at drafting but he seems to fall out with coaches and players! And he actually isn't all that good with contracts either, he just kicks the can down the road.

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t even understand why this was brought up. I told him earlier today the Jets had the worst return on their draft picks over the last five years. The Eagles were the second worst team in terms of their draft pick return. So you’re comparing them to the worst team in the league. So we already knew they were better than the jets who were the worst draft pick return team. And Douglas has only been there for one draft.

Eagles were 10th worst in terms of picking, 95% of value, they had the 2nd lowest total value because they had the lowest expected valued draft picks.

My point is Douglas hasn't exactly blown anyone away, nor have most football men, since the top 5-6 have team records in the .550-.600 level, the other 26-27 GMs are less than .500, that is, replace Howie with the average "football man" and odds are the Eagles are a 7-9 team over the long haul. Because you can't hire the top guys (they ain't going nowhere), and most of the others fail. Howie has two successful reloads/rebuilds under his belt, most of the other "available GMs" aren't GMs but someone's assistant GM who is unproven (like HCs, the experienced ones are retreads who've been fired at least once).

The grass is always greener.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

My point is Douglas hasn't exactly blown anyone away, nor have most football men, since the top 5-6 have team records in the .550-.600 level, the other 26-27 GMs are less than .500, that is, replace Howie with the average "football man" and odds are the Eagles are a 7-9 team over the long haul. Because you can't hire the top guys (they ain't going nowhere), and most of the others fail. Howie has two successful reloads/rebuilds under his belt, most of the other "available GMs" aren't GMs but someone's assistant GM who is unproven (like HCs, the experienced ones are retreads who've been fired at least once).

The grass is always greener.

So firstly, who is calling for Douglas to come back? Douglas didn't blow anyone away when he was in Philly and so far he hasn't blown anyone away in NY (though still early days). Howie is a bad GM, he's terrible at drafting, he isn't actually great with contracts (the one thing he was always lauded for) and he clashes with coaches and it seems players. So I agree the grass is not always greener but with Howie it certainly is! When our side is a swamp the other side is most definitely greener. I don't want Douglas back but just give us anyone else.

This is just getting comical now.  But more comical sad than comical funny.

 

43 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Eagles were 10th worst in terms of picking, 95% of value, they had the 2nd lowest total value because they had the lowest expected valued draft picks.

My point is Douglas hasn't exactly blown anyone away, nor have most football men, since the top 5-6 have team records in the .550-.600 level, the other 26-27 GMs are less than .500, that is, replace Howie with the average "football man" and odds are the Eagles are a 7-9 team over the long haul. Because you can't hire the top guys (they ain't going nowhere), and most of the others fail. Howie has two successful reloads/rebuilds under his belt, most of the other "available GMs" aren't GMs but someone's assistant GM who is unproven (like HCs, the experienced ones are retreads who've been fired at least once).

The grass is always greener.

So they were the 10th worst team which means they’re in the bottom 10 of the league and you’re somehow proud of that?  

and they had the lowest expected value of draft picks because of their own fault of poor drafting, developing, trading picks cause of that and then making excuses cause they didn’t pick high enough even though other teams picking in the same area didn’t have nearly as bad of problems. 

 

2 hours ago, devpool said:

 

I think it would be more like this...

11 hours ago, hputenis said:

I'm convinced that the Wentz haters in here (and everywhere else) would prefer that we get pennies on the dollar for Wentz, just so they can proclaim that "He sucks and the rest of the league agrees."  

Yup that's why they are called haters

8 hours ago, Iggles25 said:

Jordan Mailata the best

Sidney Jones the worst

 

JJAW is right up there with the worst. Mailata is still unproven. I'm sticking with my boy Carson as the best his career is not over.