11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

This goes back to my point I made earlier that people are down and upset about Derek Barnett at pick 14 just being a capable starter. Yet people are going to be happy and justify at six that you just get a capable starter there? That’s absurd. When you’re picking in the top 10 you better get an impact player. 

Agree, that's your chance.  They got it right with Lane Johnson and it also aligned with a major need.  

I don't expect every 1st round pick to be an All-Pro star.  every team has misses, guys that turn out to just be average or decent starters.  I suspect Dillard and Reagor will be like that.

But you do need to hit more often and get that elite talent.  And on defense, they haven't done that since Cox in 2012.  And lacking in the back 7. 

47 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I think so too. LB is so bad right now that anything looks great

We were so hyped about Ward last season thinking he could be a starter. He may be one of our best WRs still but that's because the WR position is still really bad

I mean if you’re gonna go with that theory you could use that at a lot of positions right now.  I specifically could use Herbig to do this. Because pryor, brown, opeta and peters were so bad and he looks good comparatively. Yet people are praising him as he played good. Or I could just do it based off what his performance look like and then what we’ve seen around the NFL to say what we think he is

This whole we’re just going to say because position has been so bad that he looks competent aka Greg ward theory can be applied to like multiple positions on the eagles right now and any team in the league having the same issue (but insert different name other than Greg ward from that team)

There were plenty of people on here that said Greg Ward was nothing more than a fourth or fifth wide receiver and if you need to for a year be a slot receiver. And frankly it’s not just Greg ward at the wide receiver position, people were doing this with Turner. If feels more like Philadelphia eagles fans get infatuated with wide receivers and overrate them more than any other position. So it might just be that particular position. They did it with Travis fulgham

12 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

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24 minutes ago, NOTW said:

 

2 Corners who got cut.  No safeties.  No Linebackers. No DT or DE. 

No wonder the defense has no legit young talent apart from Barnett.  

Rowe was traded to NE for the 4th round pick that gave them either Josh Sweat or Avonte Maddox.  Your point is well taken and a lot of the need on the offensive side, especially at receiver, was due to missing on picks like JJAW, Agholor and even Jordan Matthews to some extent.  

23 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

My only real gripe with Barnett is he seems to be a headcase. Taking just the dumbest personal foul penalties, and seems to be a cheap shot artist. I hate those type of players. 

He's like a Vinny Curry that commits bad penalties.  

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I mean if you’re gonna go with that theory you could use that at a lot of positions right now.  I specifically could use Herbig to do this. Because pryor, brown, opeta and peters were so bad and he looks good comparatively. Yet people are praising him as he played good. Or I could just do it based off what his performance look like and then what we’ve seen around the NFL to say what we think he is.

This whole we’re just going to say because position has been so bad that he looks competent aka Greg ward theory can be applied to like multiple positions on the eagles right now and any team in the league having the same issue. 

There were plenty of people on here that said Greg Ward was nothing more than a fourth or fifth wide receiver and if you need to for a year be a slot receiver. And frankly it’s not just Greg ward at the wide receiver position, people were doing this with Turner. If feels more like Philadelphia eagles fans get infatuated with wide receivers and overrate them more than any other position. So it might just be the position. They did it with Travis fulgham

I'm sorry. What are you arguing? That Ward is a starter?

9 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I'm sorry. What are you arguing? That Ward is a starter?

No I never said Greg ward was a starter. I said the last off-season that if you want to use him as a slot wide receiver then go ahead but you should try to upgrade it at some point in time because he’s not good enough. He’s more of a four or five receiver  

My point starting all of this was I said that Alex Singleton was an average starting linebacker in the NFL with how he performed. And I said that because when I watch other teams around the league and watch him, he’s average in his play week to week from what you see. I never said that was some sort of great accomplishment or that he was going to improve upon that. What I said was he was an average starting linebacker in the league compared to what you see around the league  

My issue comes when we just apply Greg ward theory to every player who looks average or whatever if the position has been awful. It’s not always because the position was so awful that a player just looks better. They might actually just be competent and average to the rest of the league standards. And that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t upgrade from him.

18 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

He's like a Vinny Curry that commits bad penalties.  

Actually reminds me more of nd kalu. Kalu was 6’3 265. Barnett 6’3 260. Kalu in the four years he played (missed a year with injuries) had 18.5 sacks. Meanwhile Barnett has 19.5 sacks. Only difference is Barnett committing more dumb penalties

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m 100% with you on that. I’m not so sure Zach Wilson makes it past Atlanta at 4. I kind of think some team is going to jump Atlanta to try to get into the third position to take Zack Wilson. I firmly believe Lawrence and Fields are going to go one and two. I don’t know if the Jets are going to stay at two because they could go with Sam Darnold and try to get a plethora of picks and just build around them but whoever trades into two is likely taking a QB which is likely fields.

I still think you could trade back you just need one of those teams sitting behind you to really love trey lance. I could see the Panthers realistically loving him and think he’s not ready but he gets to sit behind Teddy Bridgewater until they believe he’s ready to go

Do you think if Wilson is there at 6, the Eagles go after him.  Or they will stick with Hurts  for the 2021 season.  I frankly wont be surprised if they go after another QB for the factory.

27 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Rowe was traded to NE for the 4th round pick that gave them either Josh Sweat or Avonte Maddox.  Your point is well taken and a lot of the need on the offensive side, especially at receiver, was due to missing on picks like JJAW, Agholor and even Jordan Matthews to some extent.  

Ah yes thank you. In my mind I was thinking Jones and Douglas and skipped over Rowe being traded.  I updated the post.

4 minutes ago, manz2821 said:

Do you think if Wilson is there at 6, the Eagles go after him.  Or they will stick with Hurts  for the 2021 season.  I frankly wont be surprised if they go after another QB for the factory.

I don’t know what they’re doing with wentz. I need to know that answer before I can make that answer. Because if they have Carson Wentz and they have hurt I don’t think they’re bringing in another quarterback. Now maybe they are dumb enough to do that. I don’t put it past the Eagles to have some sort of theory that well if somebody gets hurt in training camp we can trade Carson Wentz away just like we did Sam Bradford. 

if they trade One of the quarterbacks then I think it’s in play. It’s why Last week I think the Eagles are doing themselves a disservice if they’re not doing their due diligence of scouting on any prospect That is reasonable to take at six.

to me I only see them going quarterback if one of those two is traded. And even then I don’t think that’s a lock but I wouldn’t be surprised if they went that direction 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

RG3's issues were not physical.....the guy was a head case and bad teammate.   Sure he got hurt but that was more about coaching not reigning him in.  I wouldn't say he was fragile, I would say he was careless with his body and not smart.  Like Wentz.  But no way he had the arm Lance has.  If we are going to move on from Wentz, I would seriously take a long hard look at Lance.  If he projects as well as some think.  Because, as much as I like Hurt's intangibles....he is not there as a passer.  

 

The thing is that if they do that then they would have to admit they really F-ed up the Wentz/Hurts thing.  And I just don't see Howie/Doug doing all of that.  If Lurie was a good Owner and fired both of those clowns and brought in a real GM, then I can see it.  

Then he's one of the biggest upgrades we have had at LB in years.  

RGIII was never the same after his knee injury.  Then it spiraled down from there.  He wasn't the same because he couldn't do the same things he had done. It started with a physical problem.  But, physical problems can lead to mental ones.    I never called RGIII fragile, nor Lance.  But... when you run as a QB, you open your body up to extra punishment.  It rarely lasts long.

 

As for Singleton... that's quite the indictment on the LB corps.  But, I'd say that Hicks and Nigel Bradham were far better upgrades when they were brought in.  

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

OK that was not my point. I guess it’s cool to keep mentioning Greg Ward theory as your ultimate reasoning. 

It's the same thought process... you see complete dreck at a position, then you see some level of competence and the pendulum swings.   It's all good though, we've got bigger problems in this country right now... and bigger problems with this team than Singleton.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t know what they’re doing with wentz. I need to know that answer before I can make that answer. Or i should say i personally would need to know. Because if they have Carson Wentz and they have hurt I don’t think they’re bringing in another quarterback. Now maybe they are dumb enough to do that. I don’t put it past the Eagles to have some sort of theory that well if somebody gets hurt in training camp we can trade Carson Wentz away just like we did Sam Bradford. 

if they trade One of the quarterbacks then I think it’s in play. It’s why Last week I think the Eagles are doing themselves a disservice if they’re not doing their due diligence of scouting on any prospect That is reasonable to take at six.

to me I only see them going quarterback if one of those two is traded. And even then I don’t think that’s a lock but I wouldn’t be surprised if they went that direction 

Agreed.  I personally think Wentz will be traded somehow and a QB will be in play at 6.  A few months to go before the draft and it will be definitely interesting to say the least.  Btw not sure if I told you earlier but I really enjoyed your good/bad/ugly threads during the season. Great insight and I'm hoping and bad and ugly items will diminish soon 🙂

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2 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

Also heard on the radio the Jets could take him as well.  If they decide to keep Darnold it only makes sense to surround him with WRs.

The Jets are taking a QB at #2 overall. 

I've thought for most of the season that there were bigger things than winning games to Doug Pederson. Sunday merely confirmed it. The stink is now leaking into Jeffrey Lurie's office. At some point he will have to clean it up.

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Hicks was a while ago.  Bradham came in what, 4 years ago?  Singleton is the best of the bunch since then.  Average is a heck of lot better than what we had.  

Agreed.  And now we are very happy with 'average'.   Yay.  8-8 would be a good season now too, I suppose.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Agreed.  And now we are very happy with 'average'.   Yay.  8-8 would be a good season now too, I suppose.

I don’t think anyone said they were happy about it. I would say to upgrade it but frankly I don’t think they have the salary cap or draft picks to do that properly. they wasted a third round pick on a project last year so I don’t see them spending another high pick on a linebacker. It’s probably gonna be in around 5 to 7 and knowing howie it’s likely to be a safety they try to convert lol

8 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Never said that.  I was just saying how sad of a state of affairs the LB and our drafting has been in Alex F-ing Singleton is THE guy the last few years.  

He's a decent find. Brought him in from the CFL and I think he's been pretty good. But yeah it does also highlight just how bad the LB group has been. 

21 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think anyone said they were happy about it. I would say to upgrade it but frankly I don’t think they have the salary cap or draft picks to do that properly. they wasted a third round pick on a project last year so I don’t see them spending another high pick on a linebacker. It’s probably gonna be in around 5 to 7 and knowing howie it’s likely to be a safety they try to convert lol

No LB taken after Taylor was an impact starter,  #119 Walker had 31 solo tackles, #255 Crowder had 34.

In fact, no LB taken after the 1st rd was an impact starter, #63 Gay had 29 solo tackles, Highsmith at #102 had 30.

To put that in perspective, Singleton had 75 solo tackes in 11 starts, Edwards 37 in 12 starts.

This just shows you how rare it is for a player to start as a rookie outside the first round, usually the best you can hope for is they break into the lineup by the end of the season, but that's usually due to injury.

So a better question is how far can Taylor progress the next two years.

Same for other positions, Young #2, had 7.5 sacks, Robinson #148 had 4 sacks, Wonnum #117 had 3 sacks, no other DE had more than 2 sacks.

Derrick Brown #7 led all rookie DTs with 21 tackles, 2 sacks.

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

No LB taken after Taylor was an impact starter,  #119 Walker had 31 solo tackles, #255 Crowder had 34.

In fact, no LB taken after the 1st rd was an impact starter, #63 Gay had 29 solo tackles, Highsmith at #102 had 30.

To put that in perspective, Singleton had 75 solo tackes in 11 starts, Edwards 37 in 12 starts.

This just shows you how rare it is for a player to start as a rookie outside the first round, usually the best you can hope for is they break into the lineup by the end of the season, but that's usually due to injury.

So a better question is how far can Taylor progress the next two years.

Same for other positions, Young #2, had 7.5 sacks, Robinson #148 had 4 sacks, Wonnum #117 had 3 sacks, no other DE had more than 2 sacks.

Derrick Brown #7 led all rookie DTs with 21 tackles, 2 sacks.

Ok that doesn’t make the pick any better. They didn’t have to go linebacker with that pick whatsoever. Furthermore instead of taken hurts they could’ve went linebacker and then where they were picking in the third take a backup QB. So either way it was a bad pick 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Ok that doesn’t make the pick any better. They didn’t have to go linebacker with that pick whatsoever. Furthermore instead of taken hurts they could’ve went linebacker and then where they were picking in the third take a backup QB. So either way it was a bad pick 

They certainly didn't have to take a project LB when they've really not shown they can really develop players all that successfully.

8 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

They certainly didn't have to take a project LB when they've really not shown they can really develop players all that successfully.

Could’ve went another position like corner and he could’ve started over a project linebacker. It didn’t have to just be linebacker at that pick. They had option and they are paying for it today for going the route they did. 

44 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Never said that.  I was just saying how sad of a state of affairs the LB and our drafting has been in Alex F-ing Singleton is THE guy the last few years.  

That I agree with.