53 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

So you think we'll get 2 first plus for him?  Are you going to add anything to the discussion or are you just trolling?

If you have to ask, you already know the answer.

For all those dissing Hurts' arm - though looking at this, velocity doesn't really seem to correlate with actual on the field arm strengh:

https://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-NFL-Combine-2008-2017/10243/dh/

Year: 2020

Justin Herbert Oregon 55 (Left) 54 (Right)

Jordan Love Utah State 54 (Left) 53 (Right)

Jalen Hurts Oklahoma 54 (Left) 51 (Right)

Year: 2019

Clayton Thorson Northwestern 58 (Left) 56 (Right)

Gardner Minshew Washington State 55 (Left) 53 (Right)

Daniel Jones Duke 53 (Left) 54 (Right)

Drew Lock Missouri 54 (Left) 53 (Right)

Dwayne Haskins Ohio State 52 (Left) 52 (Right)

Year: 2018

Josh Allen Wyoming 62 (Left) 62 (Right)

Baker Mayfield Oklahoma 59 (Left) 60 (Right)

Lamar Jackson Louisville 49 (Left) 49 (Right)

Sam Darnold Southern Cal did not throw

Year: 2017

Patrick Mahomes Texas Tech 55 (Left) 55 (Right)

Mitch Trubisky North Carolina 51 (Left) 50 (Right)

Deshaun Watson Clemson 45 (Left) 45 (Right)

Year: 2016

Jared Goff, California 58

Carson Wentz, North Dakota State 57

Jacoby Brissett, North Carolina State 56

Dak Prescott, Mississippi State 54

Nate Sudfeld, Indiana 54

Year: 2015

Marcus Mariota, Oregon 56

Jameis Winston, Florida State 55

 

YEAR: 2014

Blake Bortles, Central Florida 56

Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois 56

 

YEAR: 2013

Geno Smith, West Virginia 55

EJ Manuel, Florida State 54

Michael Glennon, North Carolina State 49

YEAR: 2012

Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State 59

Kirk Cousins, Michigan State 59

Nick Foles, Arizona 57

Russell Wilson, Wisconsin 55

Casey Keenum, Houston 55

YEAR: 2011

Colin Kaepernick, Nevada 59

Ryan Mallett, Arkansas 58

Andy Dalton, TCU 56

Cam Newton, Auburn 56

Jake Locker, Washington 54

Christian Ponder, Florida St  51

Tyrod Taylor, Va Tech 50

YEAR: 2010

Colt McCoy, Texas 56  (Did not throw at Combine. Throw was recorded at a private workout with a Radar Gun & Computer Chip in Ball.

Michael Kafka, Northwestern 52

YEAR: 2009

Mark Sanchez, Southern Cal 57

Josh Freeman, Kansas State 57

Chase Daniels, Missouri 57

YEAR 2008:

Joe Flacco, Delaware 55

Brian Brohm, Louisville 53

Chad Henne, Michigan 53

 

 

Found this from last season:

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Jalen-Hurts-2020-NFL-Combine-blows-everyone-away-draft-Oklahoma-Sooners-144422287/#144422287_4

and

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/2020-nfl-draft-profile-jalen-hurts-is-this-years-wild-card-rookie-quarterback-for-fantasy-football/

He has the raw materials, he needs a QB coach who can work on his mechanics and help him see the pro game.

And a HC who runs a system that plays to his strengths.

If only the Eagles would hire such a combo.

What's this about?

 

11 minutes ago, austinfan said:

For all those dissing Hurts' arm - though looking at this, velocity doesn't really seem to correlate with actual on the field arm strengh:

https://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-NFL-Combine-2008-2017/10243/dh/

Year: 2020

Justin Herbert Oregon 55 (Left) 54 (Right)

Jordan Love Utah State 54 (Left) 53 (Right)

Jalen Hurts Oklahoma 54 (Left) 51 (Right)

Year: 2019

Clayton Thorson Northwestern 58 (Left) 56 (Right)

Gardner Minshew Washington State 55 (Left) 53 (Right)

Daniel Jones Duke 53 (Left) 54 (Right)

Drew Lock Missouri 54 (Left) 53 (Right)

Dwayne Haskins Ohio State 52 (Left) 52 (Right)

Year: 2018

Josh Allen Wyoming 62 (Left) 62 (Right)

Baker Mayfield Oklahoma 59 (Left) 60 (Right)

Lamar Jackson Louisville 49 (Left) 49 (Right)

Sam Darnold Southern Cal did not throw

Year: 2017

Patrick Mahomes Texas Tech 55 (Left) 55 (Right)

Mitch Trubisky North Carolina 51 (Left) 50 (Right)

Deshaun Watson Clemson 45 (Left) 45 (Right)

Year: 2016

Jared Goff, California 58

Carson Wentz, North Dakota State 57

Jacoby Brissett, North Carolina State 56

Dak Prescott, Mississippi State 54

Nate Sudfeld, Indiana 54

Year: 2015

Marcus Mariota, Oregon 56

Jameis Winston, Florida State 55

 

YEAR: 2014

Blake Bortles, Central Florida 56

Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois 56

 

YEAR: 2013

Geno Smith, West Virginia 55

EJ Manuel, Florida State 54

Michael Glennon, North Carolina State 49

YEAR: 2012

Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State 59

Kirk Cousins, Michigan State 59

Nick Foles, Arizona 57

Russell Wilson, Wisconsin 55

Casey Keenum, Houston 55

YEAR: 2011

Colin Kaepernick, Nevada 59

Ryan Mallett, Arkansas 58

Andy Dalton, TCU 56

Cam Newton, Auburn 56

Jake Locker, Washington 54

Christian Ponder, Florida St  51

Tyrod Taylor, Va Tech 50

YEAR: 2010

Colt McCoy, Texas 56  (Did not throw at Combine. Throw was recorded at a private workout with a Radar Gun & Computer Chip in Ball.

Michael Kafka, Northwestern 52

YEAR: 2009

Mark Sanchez, Southern Cal 57

Josh Freeman, Kansas State 57

Chase Daniels, Missouri 57

YEAR 2008:

Joe Flacco, Delaware 55

Brian Brohm, Louisville 53

Chad Henne, Michigan 53

 

 

Hurts' arm is fine.  I still don't understand where all this "weak arm" stuff is coming from.  He's made tons of "strong throws" in college.  Not every ball needs to be a rocket propelled grenade.  Just because he shows "touch"  (actually a good thing) on some of his throws does not mean he couldn't laser it if he wanted to. 

 

10 minutes ago, austinfan said:

For all those dissing Hurts' arm - though looking at this, velocity doesn't really seem to correlate with actual on the field arm strengh:

https://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-NFL-Combine-2008-2017/10243/dh/

Year: 2020

Justin Herbert Oregon 55 (Left) 54 (Right)

Jordan Love Utah State 54 (Left) 53 (Right)

Jalen Hurts Oklahoma 54 (Left) 51 (Right)

Year: 2019

Clayton Thorson Northwestern 58 (Left) 56 (Right)

Gardner Minshew Washington State 55 (Left) 53 (Right)

Daniel Jones Duke 53 (Left) 54 (Right)

Drew Lock Missouri 54 (Left) 53 (Right)

Dwayne Haskins Ohio State 52 (Left) 52 (Right)

Year: 2018

Josh Allen Wyoming 62 (Left) 62 (Right)

Baker Mayfield Oklahoma 59 (Left) 60 (Right)

Lamar Jackson Louisville 49 (Left) 49 (Right)

Sam Darnold Southern Cal did not throw

Year: 2017

Patrick Mahomes Texas Tech 55 (Left) 55 (Right)

Mitch Trubisky North Carolina 51 (Left) 50 (Right)

Deshaun Watson Clemson 45 (Left) 45 (Right)

Year: 2016

Jared Goff, California 58

Carson Wentz, North Dakota State 57

Jacoby Brissett, North Carolina State 56

Dak Prescott, Mississippi State 54

Nate Sudfeld, Indiana 54

Year: 2015

Marcus Mariota, Oregon 56

Jameis Winston, Florida State 55

 

YEAR: 2014

Blake Bortles, Central Florida 56

Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois 56

 

YEAR: 2013

Geno Smith, West Virginia 55

EJ Manuel, Florida State 54

Michael Glennon, North Carolina State 49

YEAR: 2012

Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State 59

Kirk Cousins, Michigan State 59

Nick Foles, Arizona 57

Russell Wilson, Wisconsin 55

Casey Keenum, Houston 55

YEAR: 2011

Colin Kaepernick, Nevada 59

Ryan Mallett, Arkansas 58

Andy Dalton, TCU 56

Cam Newton, Auburn 56

Jake Locker, Washington 54

Christian Ponder, Florida St  51

Tyrod Taylor, Va Tech 50

YEAR: 2010

Colt McCoy, Texas 56  (Did not throw at Combine. Throw was recorded at a private workout with a Radar Gun & Computer Chip in Ball.

Michael Kafka, Northwestern 52

YEAR: 2009

Mark Sanchez, Southern Cal 57

Josh Freeman, Kansas State 57

Chase Daniels, Missouri 57

YEAR 2008:

Joe Flacco, Delaware 55

Brian Brohm, Louisville 53

Chad Henne, Michigan 53

 

 

Clayton Thorson throws harder than Patrick Mahomes.  Yeah.......that officially makes a football throw measured in MPH the most useless stat on earth.  That brings me to my next question.  Wasn't Thorson cut in training camp because he couldn't make any NFL throws?  I would think that arm strength would have at least gotten him through 1 training camp.  Dude must have been wildly inaccurate or he was as dumb as a box of rocks.  

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

What's this about?

 

An old rich white guy white-splaining? 

2 hours ago, Ipiggles said:

unless someone is willing to give me 2 1sts and a 3rd for Wentz, I am keeping him. 

Two 1’s for Wentz? 😂😂😂

1 minute ago, hputenis said:

Clayton Thorson throws harder than Patrick Mahomes.  Yeah.......that officially makes a football throw measured in MPH the most useless stat on earth.  That brings me to my next question.  Wasn't Thorson cut in training camp because he couldn't make any NFL throws?  I would think that arm strength would have at least gotten him through 1 training camp.  Dude must have been wildly inaccurate or he was as dumb as a box of rocks.  

Thorson seemed to have issues anticipating routes; from what I recall, many of his throws would be released well after the receiver would make his break...essentially making the route useless; the DB would be there by the time most of his throws would get there.  That's just from memory...I could be wrong. 

9 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

What's this about?

 

That coach was fired from Iowa for making multiple racist remarks that have been documented.  He was also accused of "bullying" when he was with Iowa.  Seems like a great dude!  Not a surprising hire at all for Urban Meyer, king of the scumbags.  

1 minute ago, hputenis said:

That coach was fired from Iowa for making multiple racist remarks that have been documented.  He was also accused of "bullying" when he was with Iowa.  Seems like a great dude!  Not a surprising hire at all for Urban Meyer, king of the scumbags.  

Ah, ok.  I didn't know the history behind that.  Thank you. 

13 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Two 1’s for Wentz? 😂😂😂

Well, if some team offered more than (2) 2nds and a 3rd, we're in 1st and 3rd territory, so not that far behind.

That's probably Howie's expectation, 1st, 3rd and a sweetener, so asking for two 1st rd picks is a solid negotiating position.

 

23 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Hurts' arm is fine.  I still don't understand where all this "weak arm" stuff is coming from.  He's made tons of "strong throws" in college.  Not every ball needs to be a rocket propelled grenade.  Just because he shows "touch"  (actually a good thing) on some of his throws does not mean he couldn't laser it if he wanted to. 

 

His arm is fine.  He’s just a bad passer.  

21 minutes ago, hputenis said:

That coach was fired from Iowa for making multiple racist remarks that have been documented.  He was also accused of "bullying" when he was with Iowa.  Seems like a great dude!  Not a surprising hire at all for Urban Meyer, king of the scumbags.  

Now he’s with men instead of boys, most if not all make more money than him, the NFL should be a good fit.  Meyer is proving to be just like every college coach who thinks they invented football, gone in two years.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

His arm is fine.  He’s just a bad passer.  

Based on what he did his senior year, I think you're wrong.  He's also made dozens of very good passes, accurate, some even deep passes, at the NFL level.  He still needs to get better at going through his progressions but that's normal for a rookie QB, imo.  I think he will surprise a lot of naysayers next season if he's given the opportunity to start. 

1 minute ago, The Blackfish said:

Now he’s with men instead of boys, most if not all make more money than him, the NFL should be a good fit.  Meyer is proving to be just like every college coach who thinks they invented football, gone in two years.

I can't wait until week 2 when one of the players blows up at him on the sidelines for the 1st time.  Based on his history, he'll probably grab his heart in pain and retire for health problems, somehow collecting all of Khan's money.  

Hurts has below average NFL arm strength and accuracy IMO.

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

His arm is not strong for an NFL qb and he’s not a natural thrower.  Just because a troll hates Wentz doesn’t make Hurts, John Elway for Christ sakes.  Oh but he mad a lot of throws in college.  Meh.  Yeah. Sure.  

Completes 69.7% of his passes for 3851 yards, 32 TD's only 8 Int in 14 games his senior year. Yes, he made TONS of throws in college. 

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

His arm is not strong for an NFL qb and he’s not a natural thrower.  Just because a troll hates Wentz doesn’t make Hurts, John Elway for Christ sakes.  Oh but he mad a lot of throws in college.  Meh.  Yeah. Sure.  

I found a recent list of all the QBs that would have a shot to win the Heisman under Lincoln Riley's offense at Oklahoma:

Year: 2020

Justin Herbert Oregon 55 (Left) 54 (Right)

Jordan Love Utah State 54 (Left) 53 (Right)

Jalen Hurts Oklahoma 54 (Left) 51 (Right)

Year: 2019

Clayton Thorson Northwestern 58 (Left) 56 (Right)

Gardner Minshew Washington State 55 (Left) 53 (Right)

Daniel Jones Duke 53 (Left) 54 (Right)

Drew Lock Missouri 54 (Left) 53 (Right)

Dwayne Haskins Ohio State 52 (Left) 52 (Right)

Year: 2018

Josh Allen Wyoming 62 (Left) 62 (Right)

Baker Mayfield Oklahoma 59 (Left) 60 (Right)

Lamar Jackson Louisville 49 (Left) 49 (Right)

Sam Darnold Southern Cal did not throw

Year: 2017

Patrick Mahomes Texas Tech 55 (Left) 55 (Right)

Mitch Trubisky North Carolina 51 (Left) 50 (Right)

Deshaun Watson Clemson 45 (Left) 45 (Right)

Year: 2016

Jared Goff, California 58

Carson Wentz, North Dakota State 57

Jacoby Brissett, North Carolina State 56

Dak Prescott, Mississippi State 54

Nate Sudfeld, Indiana 54

Year: 2015

Marcus Mariota, Oregon 56

Jameis Winston, Florida State 55

 

YEAR: 2014

Blake Bortles, Central Florida 56

Jimmy Garoppolo, Eastern Illinois 56

 

YEAR: 2013

Geno Smith, West Virginia 55

EJ Manuel, Florida State 54

Michael Glennon, North Carolina State 49

YEAR: 2012

Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State 59

Kirk Cousins, Michigan State 59

Nick Foles, Arizona 57

Russell Wilson, Wisconsin 55

Casey Keenum, Houston 55

YEAR: 2011

Colin Kaepernick, Nevada 59

Ryan Mallett, Arkansas 58

Andy Dalton, TCU 56

Cam Newton, Auburn 56

Jake Locker, Washington 54

Christian Ponder, Florida St  51

Tyrod Taylor, Va Tech 50

YEAR: 2010

Colt McCoy, Texas 56  (Did not throw at Combine. Throw was recorded at a private workout with a Radar Gun & Computer Chip in Ball.

Michael Kafka, Northwestern 52

YEAR: 2009

Mark Sanchez, Southern Cal 57

Josh Freeman, Kansas State 57

Chase Daniels, Missouri 57

YEAR 2008:

Joe Flacco, Delaware 55

Brian Brohm, Louisville 53

Chad Henne, Michigan 53

Thing is both Hurts and Wentz are projects, but so is anyone they pick at #6.

But while Hurts needs to work on his mechanics to tighten his motion and become more consistent throwing, that's probably true for 90% of college QBs taken in the 1st round. Same with learning to read NFL defenses, think Lawrence is any good at that?

And while Wentz is a proven NFL QB, you have to rework his mechanics back to 2017 and get him focused on playing QB the right way.

So it simply comes down to which risk you take, at what cost (or lost opportunity cost).

35 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Clayton Thorson throws harder than Patrick Mahomes.  Yeah.......that officially makes a football throw measured in MPH the most useless stat on earth.  That brings me to my next question.  Wasn't Thorson cut in training camp because he couldn't make any NFL throws?  I would think that arm strength would have at least gotten him through 1 training camp.  Dude must have been wildly inaccurate or he was as dumb as a box of rocks.  

I wish this data went back to 2000 so someone can make the case Chad Pennington has a fine arm because he tops out at 50mph

What was surprising is how slow Watson threw the ball, was he hurt at the Combine?

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Quick. Someone post Ty Detmers stats from college.  That must mean he has a string arm.  

He definitely had a string arm.

11 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You can Google stats.  That’s awesome.  😂

Ok, watch the 2 passes from the 30 second mark...the one pass he ripped from inside the pocket with pinpoint accuracy; the 2nd pass he ripped it while running, off balance for a TD...

Tell me again how Hurts "can't throw".