16 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

So, you are suggesting that the Eagles should include moving back 2 spots? 

 

If the deal could be done without moving back two spots then fine. Then just omit the swap of firsts this year. I was trying to make it more enticing for the Panthers and fair. 

34 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

If the deal could be done without moving back two spots then fine. Then just omit the swap of firsts this year. I was trying to make it more enticing for the Panthers and fair. 

Not sure what would make it all that enticing for the Eagles, either way.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not sure what would make it all that enticing for the Eagles, either way.

How much more do you think they could get? A 1st next year, a 3rd this year and Gross-Matos is a pretty strong haul I think. Maybe do the 1st round swap and get a 2nd this year instead of the 3rd... I'm not sure if that's too rich and unrealistic. 

 

2 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

#8 would be the closest the Eagles could come to the value of 2 first round picks. Panthers would be dumb as hell to make that trade so I don't expect them to.

If we get offered #8, put Wentz on the next plane out of Philly.

If Howie can swing this for no more than 2 first round licks and Wentz for Watson then good on him.

 

 

23 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

If Howie can swing this for no more than 2 first round licks and Wentz for Watson then good on him.

 

 

Yea, I’m sure Watson will waive his no trade clause to come here

24 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea, I’m sure Watson will waive his no trade clause to come here

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Players want to play for Howie and coaches want to coach for Howie. Vwe have the golden boy and that is why we are the gold standard. 

Looking back:

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-jalen-hurts-wasnt-a-good-pick-by-the-philadelphia-eagles-he-was-a-great-one

One interesting factoid, if you look at Watson and Wentz in 2018 and 2019, there isn't a huge gap between them. And Watson had Hopkins, who would make any QB look much better (he had Cooks last year, a step down but still two steps above any Eagle WR).

2017:

Wentz  60.2%, 8.3 Y/A. 33/7 rating 101.9 QBR 78.5

2018:

Watson  68.3%, 8.1 Y/A  26/9 rating 103.1 QBR 61.8

Wentz  69.6%, 7.7 Y/A.  21/7 rating 102.2 QBR 62.0

2019:

Watson  67.3%, 7.8 Y/A  26/12 rating 98.0 QBR 70.5

Wentz  63.9%, 6.7 Y/A.  27/7 rating 93.1 QBR 62.8

 

7 hours ago, austinfan said:

Small sample, but he doesn't really gun it into small windows like McNabb or Wentz, but he throws a nice deep ball with touch. Safeties can't cheat on his arm. That is not a "Below average" arm unless you consider Brees in his prime to have a below average arm. 30-40 yards in the air with accuracy without wobbling is a nice throw. Now is he going to gun a deep out off balance across his body? Nah.

There's more than enough arm strength, combined with top tier athleticism (he runs in the 4.6 range at 220+ lbs and is elusive, a power RB at QB) to be a NFL QB.

It comes down to the mental part, he has the intangibles, can he master the intricacies of playing pro QB?

Most of his passes over 20 yards struggled to get there.  He couldn't hit out routes.  He can't challenge a LB sitting in zone in the middle of the field.  He needs to be a genius on the field to overcome that.

10 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

Ok, watch the 2 passes from the 30 second mark...the one pass he ripped from inside the pocket with pinpoint accuracy; the 2nd pass he ripped it while running, off balance for a TD...

Tell me again how Hurts "can't throw".

 

How far from his ceiling is he because under the circumstances he was rather impressive,  2nd rounder, not expected to start any games last year, kept the team competitive, looked pretty polished considering everything but lots of room for improvement. I do understand a guy like him first year thrown in there the propensity of taking off when things break down even just a little if he sees some green, less risky. Want to see him more comfortable back there being more nifty, moving quickly away from pressure then floating looking for broken coverage because of the threat he could take off. He has a shorter windup, I think good to have both. 

12 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

How far from his ceiling is he because under the circumstances he was rather impressive,  2nd rounder, not expected to start any games last year, kept the team competitive, looked pretty polished considering everything but lots of room for improvement. I do understand a guy like him first year thrown in there the propensity of taking off when things break down even just a little if he sees some green, less risky. Want to see him more comfortable back there being more nifty, moving quickly away from pressure then floating looking for broken coverage because of the threat he could take off. He has a shorter windup, I think good to have both. 

The real question is...is he going to develop and play a different game than he played throughout college?  If not,, his ceiling may be close.  What we saw this year was that same college concept.  Quick read and run.  Survives on his legs and broken plays.  The biggest difference was (in college) he was surrounded by the best talent at every position and premier coaching at that level and (last year) the Eagles were crippled and the coaching was suspect.

The funny part about the fans and Hurts is that he plays that "hero ball" that everyone supposedly dislikes.

6 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

The real question is...is he going to develop and play a different game than he played throughout college?  If not,, his ceiling may be close.  What we saw this year was that same college concept.  Quick read and run.  Survives on his legs and broken plays.  The biggest difference was (in college) he was surrounded by the best talent at every position and premier coaching at that level and (last year) the Eagles were crippled and the coaching was suspect.

The funny part about the fans and Hurts is that he plays that "hero ball" that everyone supposedly dislikes.

Yeah, was watching those Wentz highlights and seeing those nice pockets he had and was thinking that maybe Hurts thrives in anarchy and if throwing from the pocket he will have to read right and make some difficult throws also less likely for him to take off not allowing him to play with the D’s head. IOW he might suck in the pocket if the play takes too long ( receivers not wide open ) unless he can make great throws

4 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

Yeah, was watching those Wentz highlights and seeing those nice pockets he had and was thinking that maybe Hurts thrives in anarchy and if throwing from the pocket he will have to read right and make some difficult throws also less likely for him to take off not allowing him to play with the D’s head. IOW he might suck in the pocket if the play takes too long ( receivers not wide open ) unless he can make great throws

I can't even remotely see him playing from the pocket.  There is no film that can show that consistently.  I'd think that they will try to tune him back from running, but I do not know if that will work with him.  It has certainly been tried before throughout his career.

The best hope is probably that he becomes Baker Mayfieldish and they surround him with alot of talent like the Browns did to cover his issues.

Disclaimer: I'm not a big believer in Hurts as a starting QB in the NFL.

41 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

The real question is...is he going to develop and play a different game than he played throughout college?  If not,, his ceiling may be close.  What we saw this year was that same college concept.  Quick read and run.  Survives on his legs and broken plays.  The biggest difference was (in college) he was surrounded by the best talent at every position and premier coaching at that level and (last year) the Eagles were crippled and the coaching was suspect.

The funny part about the fans and Hurts is that he plays that "hero ball" that everyone supposedly dislikes.

This was Russell Wilson for a long time. The line was bad for years, you saw it every time they played us. The guy would be running for his life every play, but he would be running longer than any corner can be expected to cover a person which led to broken play after broken play. It's why I was never a fan of his until recently, his entire game was use athleticism to run around for 5 minutes until someone was open.

Obviously as he's gotten older he has been able to move more efficiently rather than jut running around like a chicken with its head cut off, which is what he was doing in those games. Run around for 5-6 seconds, someone is probably open, 20 yard gain.

I don't think hurts will ever be Russell Wilson, I don't know how well he throws on the run (necessary for the backyard BS/headless chicken offense) but it's been shown that he has a really hard time throwing to the middle of the field. Maybe he gets better at it but I'm not gonna hold my breath

Happy Saturday morning.  I had dreams about water moccasins taking over my yard and then adding new water features to my landscape- 2 ponds connected by a creek.  Howie is obviously the venomous snake lurking in the yard not allowing me to enjoy the plush grass.  Hurts and Wentz are the 2 ponds, connected by the creek, an oasis from the snakes.  My dream conclusion:

Whether the Eagles QB is Wentz or Hurts this coming season I am all in and will believe and hope either one will lead us to the SB until all hope is lost.  Go Birds!

16 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Happy Saturday morning.  I had dreams about water moccasins taking over my yard and then adding new water features to my landscape- 2 ponds connected by a creek.  Howie is obviously the venomous snake lurking in the yard not allowing me to enjoy the plush grass.  Hurts and Wentz are the 2 ponds, connected by the creek, an oasis from the snakes.  My dream conclusion:

Whether the Eagles QB is Wentz or Hurts this coming season I am all in and will believe and hope either one will lead us to the SB until all hope is lost.  Go Birds!

Way to be man !!! It is what it is, not CW’s fault for that 1 out of a mil hit otherwise we are very competitive for a long time

could I possiblly be the best TATER poster on the boards these days?

If Hurts tops out at QB 16-18, which is an average starter, that's an issue.

That's excellent value for a 2nd round pick. The problem is that unless your roster is incredible, you're not winning a SB with the 16th ranked QB. Ask Minnesota, San Francisco, New Orleans, etc. how that goes. Can we get a 12-4 season with Hurts if everything else breaks right? Sure, but we're we're just unlikely to take advantage of his rookie window in 2022/2023 with a premium roster. 2021 will be bad. 2022 could be ok. So we're banking it all on 2023, assuming Hurts is average?

We're going to be looking at QBs in the draft each year from here on out.

Adding a qb every other year late in draft is one thing , using premium picks on QBs every other year is called a waste of picks and a bad blueprint. 

You spend a early pick on a QB , you must have liked something about him , so you need to give him more then a year or two .

16 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

that crowd is really really stupid.

Yup, with them it seems to be personal. They act like jilted lovers.

17 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Man is that guy full of himself.  Kind of a tool.  

He used to post on the board. I'm okay that he doesn't anymore. 

16 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

My wife was on the celery juice kick last week.  I had a glass every morning — didn’t mind it; I could power down a glass, no problem.   Now this week she started making a smoothie with just spinach and kale; it was too thick to even pour into a glass so I took a straw to it.  Truly disgusting, and the aftertaste was not any better.  I probably only got about half a glass down, if even that much.

The health food nuts have it completely wrong.  I’ll gladly trade a few years to consume food that tastes good.

There needs to be a balance. 

Saw an article on TV that insinuated the Covid vaccine is only good for 90 days.

Did anyone else see this?