11 hours ago, greendestiny27 said:

How much more do you think they could get? A 1st next year, a 3rd this year and Gross-Matos is a pretty strong haul I think. Maybe do the 1st round swap and get a 2nd this year instead of the 3rd... I'm not sure if that's too rich and unrealistic. 

Nah.  I don't plan the pretend trade scenario game.  That's silly.   But, I can tell you that that is not the value the Eagles are looking for.   They started by asking for multiple first round picks.  This trade that you are suggesting offers less than 1 first round pick (2021 value level)... that's essentially a 2nd round value (2021 draft), 3rd round and a player (former 2nd round pick) that disappointed last year... and the Eagles are throwing in a young LT that they drafted in the 1st round in addition to Wentz?   

 

Yeah, I can say that that seems like it wouldn't make anyone happy.  And then your original plan was to lower the value even more by the Eagles and Panthers swapping from #6 to #8 in 2021 as well?   That's ludicrous.   Howie is many things, but above all he's ego-driven.  He would end up with an entire dozen eggs on his face with that kind of trade.  Not only would he be taking a significant loss on the Wentz part of the deal, but he'd also be admitting a mistake with Dillard on top of that.   Just...  not going to happen with Howie at the helm.

18 minutes ago, Solomon said:

News source?

I talked to a friend of mine who is a nurse...  She mentioned a similar thing, and talked about a 'booster'.   

47 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Howie really is a shyster. He wanted Hurts to start all along, but didn't want to put himself in the line of fire, so he did a whisper campaign through the media that Doug was anti-Wentz. Wow.

That looks to me that Doug is explaining to Howie how far he’ll lawn dart Howie’s ass if he keeps running his mouth.

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nah.  I don't plan the pretend trade scenario game.  That's silly.   But, I can tell you that that is not the value the Eagles are looking for.   They started by asking for multiple first round picks.  This trade that you are suggesting offers less than 1 first round pick (2021 value level)... that's essentially a 2nd round value (2021 draft), 3rd round and a player (former 2nd round pick) that disappointed last year... and the Eagles are throwing in a young LT that they drafted in the 1st round in addition to Wentz?   

 

Yeah, I can say that that seems like it wouldn't make anyone happy.  And then your original plan was to lower the value even more by the Eagles and Panthers swapping from #6 to #8 in 2021 as well?   That's ludicrous.   Howie is many things, but above all he's ego-driven.  He would end up with an entire dozen eggs on his face with that kind of trade.  Not only would he be taking a significant loss on the Wentz part of the deal, but he'd also be admitting a mistake with Dillard on top of that.   Just...  not going to happen with Howie at the helm.

I wouldn't be shocked if Wentz is the Eagles QB this coming season.

7 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

That looks to me that Doug is explaining to Howie how far he’ll lawn dart Howie’s ass if he keeps running his mouth.

Please brah. Howie is such a gansta he lived through 3 coaching fires and still here. Never happened before. 
 

Figures we’d be the lucky team to have him 😕

7 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I wouldn't be shocked if Wentz is the Eagles QB this coming season.

I would. This thing with Howie is so out of hand that if they kept him the Eagles would look like even bigger morons. 

4 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

The real question is...is he going to develop and play a different game than he played throughout college?  If not,, his ceiling may be close.  What we saw this year was that same college concept.  Quick read and run.  Survives on his legs and broken plays.  The biggest difference was (in college) he was surrounded by the best talent at every position and premier coaching at that level and (last year) the Eagles were crippled and the coaching was suspect.

The funny part about the fans and Hurts is that he plays that "hero ball" that everyone supposedly dislikes.

Yes, and you can ask the same question about every top QB in the draft except Jones.

All the athletic college QBs tend to play similar systems, and on the top teams, they have talented WRs matched up against less skilled DBs on a regular basis.

Which is why drafting a QB these days has a higher level of risk.

39 minutes ago, Solomon said:

And what was the exact quote and context? 

https://ozarksindependent.com/2021/02/12/cdc-guarantees-only-90-days-of-quarantine-protection-from-covid-vaccine/

13 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Please brah. Howie is such a gansta he lived through 3 coaching fires and still here. Never happened before. 
 

Figures we’d be the lucky team to have him 😕

True, they are using his blood for the Covid vaccine, plus he told Ertz that he wasn’t big enough, bad enough, or man enough to go outside. 

 

21 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I talked to a friend of mine who is a nurse...  She mentioned a similar thing, and talked about a 'booster'.   

Boosters are a normal part of vaccinations and it's been talked about since the beginning of this that a booster could possibly be required at some point. That's different than saying the vaccines are only effective for 90 days which is wholly misleading and false, implying that after 90 days immunity runs out. It doesn't. My wifes a nurse, best friends a nurse, mom, brother and myself are all front line radiology, my cousin and his wife is a PA and she's an anesthesiologist, aunts a nurse, my whole family is medical.

 

Sorry, I don't mean to get snippy here or sound like a jerk.  I get a little touchy about this as there's so much misleading information about vaccines. I get so many patients who say they don't need to vaccine because they already had covid, or that it's unsafe and that people are dying or getting covid from it all this asinine BS on a daily basis. They usually STFU once I tell them I've already had both of my shots and I'm not dead, microchipped or brainwashed.

 

Carson Wentz PFF Grade/Rank:

2017: 84.9 (6th)

2018: 79.4 (14th)

2019: 76.5 (14th)

2020: 65.0 (34th

 

2018 and 2019 is about as good as you can hope for  imo..not as bad or as good as the other 2 years.

16 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

I would. This thing with Howie is so out of hand that if they kept him the Eagles would look like even bigger morons. 

I mean are the Eagles openly shopping Wentz or are they just listening to offers?

It was "reported" last week that a Wentz trade was coming soon.  Hasnt happened.  Maybe they don't want to trade him necessarily but if a team makes a nice offer they will do it.  If not then they keep him.  

 

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

 

I'd actually prefer a package of picks over one 1st rd pick, Eagles need volume drafting the next couple years.

The Stafford-Goff trade return wasn't as good as it sounds, a 3rd this year and 2022 and 2023 1st rd picks.

So you have to discount those 1sts, this would be more like a 1st, 2nd and 3rd this year.

So if Wentz is worth a 1st this year, that would about 850 points at #20.

A 2nd this and next year would be between 550-760, depending on how much you discount the 2022 2nd. So add a 3rd this year and a 4th next year and you're close to 1st rd value.

6 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I'd actually prefer a package of picks over one 1st rd pick, Eagles need volume drafting the next couple years.

The Stafford-Goff trade return wasn't as good as it sounds, a 3rd this year and 2022 and 2023 1st rd picks.

So you have to discount those 1sts, this would be more like a 1st, 2nd and 3rd this year.

So if Wentz is worth a 1st this year, that would about 850 points at #20.

A 2nd this and next year would be between 550-760, depending on how much you discount the 2022 2nd. So add a 3rd this year and a 4th next year and you're close to 1st rd value.

They have enough veterans to trade for picks over the next year or 2.  You get max value for Carson.  That 1st rounder can also then be traded for more picks if you don't like the players sitting there.  Howie are you trying to lower our expectations on here?

3 hours ago, olsilverhair said:

could I possiblly be the best TATER poster on the boards these days?

No, not even close.

13 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

 

Carson Wentz PFF Grade/Rank:

2017: 84.9 (6th)

2018: 79.4 (14th)

2019: 76.5 (14th)

2020: 65.0 (34th

 

2018 and 2019 is about as good as you can hope for  imo..not as bad or as good as the other 2 years.

I think Wentz can be a top ten QB in the right situation, in the same way I'm not sure Watson is a top ten QB on a team without a "Go-to" WR to find when he scrambles (he's had Hopkins and Cooks). That's also the reason Metcalf wouldn't look as good on most teams, Wilson makes his WRs look better by his ability to buy time, hard to cover anyone for 5 seconds. Fit matters. Wentz needs a good pocket to throw from, he can buy time but he's not Wilson.

If you're gonna have a scrambling QB, ideally you want one with a RB build, because they're gonna take a lot of hits.

Reason you want multiple targets - defenses can take any player out of a game, see Hill in the SB.

Look at the Eagle catch rates, Ward 67.1%, Goedert 70.8%, Rodgers 77.4%, Ertz 50.0%, Fulgham 56.7%, Reagor 57.4%.

Some of this is on the WR/TE, but a lot is simply how teams defensed the Eagles, b/c of injuries they usually had one primary target on the field most games, so teams schemed to take away the guy they saw as dangerous, Ertz, Fulgham after his hot start, Reagor, and conceded throws to other receivers. We're almost certain to take Pitts/Chase in the 1st rd and add another WR/TE later in the draft. If they can create a target rich environment, life will be much easier for Hurts.

1 hour ago, D-Shiznit said:

Howie really is a shyster. He wanted Hurts to start all along, but didn't want to put himself in the line of fire, so he did a whisper campaign through the media that Doug was anti-Wentz. Wow.

Howie:  What’s going on with Carson Wentz.  He seems to be struggling.

Doug:  He won’t listen to the coaches and is objecting to me calling so many RPO plays.

Howie:  Does that mean your offense without a coordinator isn’t working?  Is Press failing?

Doug: No, Carson isn’t taking coaching.

Howie: Then give Hurts some first team reps, after all, you wanted him.

Doug:  Just leave and let me make the coaching decisions.

Howie: Then fix this.

That conversation fits Conor Myles tweet. (BTW, not sure that Myles has shown he has any sources amongst the Eagles.)

50 minutes ago, dawkdaballhawk said:

https://ozarksindependent.com/2021/02/12/cdc-guarantees-only-90-days-of-quarantine-protection-from-covid-vaccine/

Quarantine means protecting others from infection, so it sounds like there may be evidence you won’t spread the disease for ninety days from injection.  Won’t have more data at this time because vaccines have only been available for that amount of time.  

53 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

 

I’ve been out of the journalism business for awhile, but the AP was about as trusted as it gets. I don’t know if they are as strict about their reporters’ tweets as they are their stories. 

12 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Quarantine means protecting others from infection, so it sounds like there may be evidence you won’t spread the disease for ninety days from injection.  Won’t have more data at this time because vaccines have only been available for that amount of time.  

Right. The media is just spreading more fear porn. 

59 minutes ago, Solomon said:

Boosters are a normal part of vaccinations and it's been talked about since the beginning of this that a booster could possibly be required at some point. That's different than saying the vaccines are only effective for 90 days which is wholly misleading and false, implying that after 90 days immunity runs out. It doesn't. My wifes a nurse, best friends a nurse, mom, brother and myself are all front line radiology, my cousin and his wife is a PA and she's an anesthesiologist, aunts a nurse, my whole family is medical.

 

Sorry, I don't mean to get snippy here or sound like a jerk.  I get a little touchy about this as there's so much misleading information about vaccines. I get so many patients who say they don't need to vaccine because they already had covid, or that it's unsafe and that people are dying or getting covid from it all this asinine BS on a daily basis. They usually STFU once I tell them I've already had both of my shots and I'm not dead, microchipped or brainwashed.

The media isn't helping. The government isn't helping. 

Just now, dawkdaballhawk said:

The media isn't helping. The government isn't helping. 

Not Sue I agree.  The government has reserved purchase on enough vaccine to vaccinate 300 million Americans. (That runs through both administrations).  I think PA is failing in its initial distribution but word is that Wolf is working with a legislative group towards trying to fix that.  In the meantime the government is calling in the National Guard and active military to assist in inoculations.  The CDC is constantly adjusting to new information, which it does, as does the NIH and NIEHS but we don’t watch them as closely as we have with this pandemic so we don’t see it.  As knowledge expands, scientists adjust. 

Month over month covid hospitalizations are down almost half.

It's no joke  , I'm 55 and in real good shape,  and it kicked my ass , I was down over a month during the holidays from covid. 

53 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’ve been out of the journalism business for awhile, but the AP was about as trusted as it gets. I don’t know if they are as strict about their reporters’ tweets as they are their stories. 

The AP is nothing more than propaganda filling agendas from top to bottom. Journalism is dead and has been for a while outside of maybe a few I can count on one hand. Screw the AP.