5 hours ago, NCTANK said:

fun with captions. have at it.

"So you really think Frank had much more to do with your rise to excellence in 2017 than I did?!?!”

9 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Lurie sure does come off looking a bit wishy-washy, especially if you compare him with the Rooney's or even Mike Brown (in Cincy). Marvin Lewis won a grand total of 0 playoff games in his 16 years with the Bengals... 16 years... Doug won a total of 4 post-season games and the Super Bowl, in his 5 years with the team and he got fired 3 years after winning the Super Bowl. Not a good look for Lurie to be firing the only coach to win us a Super Bowl, after only 3 years and having reached the playoffs the previous 2 seasons. 

Not a good look. 

And what sense does it make to keep howie then? It's clear to see that you need your hc and gm to be on the same page philosophically to even begin to have success. That said whoever we bring in will be pretty shackled from the start

26 minutes ago, Bob Manigan said:

Hire eric bieniemy and make duce the OC

F any more hires from the Reid tree.  Time to go in a completely different direction.  

21 minutes ago, matchew88 said:

"Meet you at NYJ?"

"Hmmm....yeah, let's do it. Meet you at the Jets"

That made my day. 

3 minutes ago, time2rock said:

F any more hires from the Reid tree.  Time to go in a completely different direction.  

Chip's contract doesn't expire until next year. 🤔

10 minutes ago, NJWolverEagle11 said:

And what sense does it make to keep howie then? It's clear to see that you need your hc and gm to be on the same page philosophically to even begin to have success. That said whoever we bring in will be pretty shackled from the start

If one of them had to go, I'd have Howie be the one to go. So it doesn't make any sense. 

That said, I'm not there so I don't know if the locker room was 'lost' or whatever the situation may have been. It's very easy as a fan to lash out or criticize a move like this, from afar, so I'll wait and see how things go from this point forward. But as a fan, I'm not in favor of this move. Not being fewer than 3 full years removed from our ultimate 'glory' in Super Bowl LII. 

I believed that benching Carson was the wrong move... let him play through the adversity, let him fail. Failure isn't a worthless thing, it has its value. Same with Doug, though. Let him coach through the adversity, and let him fail. If he (they, counting Carson), don't learn and grow from those failures, THEN make these sorts of moves. 

My take:  It was pretty clear based on Lurie's press conference that Doug was arguing to make personnel and coaching decisions based on the notion of competing in 2021, and that was not what Lurie wanted to hear.

Until 2017, the team under Lurie had always operated on a long-term plan basis -- they almost never made a decision that sacrificed long-term success for a short-term gain.  Putting together a team that won a Super Bowl overrode their usual long-term thinking - trades like the acquisition of Jay Ajayi for a 4th round draft pick helped deliver the long-awaited Philadelphia Super Bowl championship.  Buoyed by that success, over the ensuing seasons they continued to make personnel moves that sacrificed long-term success in order to maximize what they saw as a window to compete for another championship with that Super Bowl champion core.

Consequently, because of that short-term emphasis, the Eagles had a total of only 6 draft picks in the top 100 picks for the 2018-2020 draft, none of them in the top 20 and only two in the top 50.  The short-term acquisitions after 2017 did not produce another Super Bowl season, with continual injuries to veteran players being an important, though certainly not altogether unpredictable, reason.  They knew those short-term efforts would eventually cause the franchise to bottom out, and in 2020 it did.  And to nobody's surprise, and certainly not Lurie's, with so few high draft picks over the past several years, they do not have a stable of young talented players.

Lurie said in this press conference that it is known around the league that a franchise can get to a good place in the salary cap from a bad place with a concerted effort over the course of a 12 month period.  Lurie knows that is exactly what the Eagles need to do over the course of the next 12 months.  Coming in to this offseason, then, Lurie decided the team needed to return to the model where they make decisions for long-term success rather than short-term gain, including making the hard decisions necessary to get the salary cap in order.  Say what you will about Roseman's personnel analysis, there may be nobody better at navigating the salary cap.  When Pederson's plans as head coach were rife with decisions that sacrificed long-term success in order to maximize competitiveness in 2021, Lurie decided it was time to pull the plug on Doug, and leave Roseman to deal with the salary cap issues that are facing the club squarely in the face.

 

29 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Lurie sure does come off looking a bit wishy-washy,

This is not the first time, the way he handled Chip was about as flakey as you can get, he let the guy ruin the team while saying nothing, once the ruin was complete he starts with his  emotional intelligence BS.

I mean he is a Hollywood product so I guess wishy-washy is to be expected.

Just now, EagleVA said:

This is not the first time, the way he handled Chip was about as flakey as you can get, he let the guy ruin the team while saying nothing, once the ruin was complete he starts with his  emotional intelligence BS.

And then Roseman did a masterful job -- there is no other way to put it -- of dealing with the hellish cap, salary and talent landscape that Chip had left in his wake, completely rejiggering the Eagles roster and salary cap situation, and two seasons later the Eagles were Super Bowl champions.  We can only hope that this is the same kind of wishy-washy flakey move.

11 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

as a fan, I'm not in favor of this move.

I don't think it was a bad move but as so many others have pointed out, as long as Howie is in charge of personnel decisions it's not going to make a difference.

The only saving grace would be Lurie putting John Dorsey in charge of the draft, otherwise it's gonna be the SOS.

Two seasons after Chip left, the Eagles won the Super Bowl. That's never happened before. I don't think that you can discount the chain of events, from Andy to Chip to Doug. What does it mean for the future? Maybe we shouldn't doubt ownership too much.

6 hours ago, NCTANK said:

fun with captions. have at it.

"Hey Nick, I'm having problems getting Howie's knife out of my back. Can you help me out?"

 

 

1 hour ago, matchew88 said:

"Meet you at NYJ?"

"Hmmm....yeah, let's do it. Meet you at the Jets"

They both deserve better than that. I still don't know why Nick didn't go in yesterday. There was no offense. You are in the playoffs. You have a SB MVP on the bench. Not a hard decision. 

YouTube comments 

Thanks to you Doug we will never have to hear any more no ring jokes, best of luck to you.

Thanks Doug. You did something that Reid couldn't even do in Philly. You will be remembered fondly by us fans. Forget about this season and move on to greener pastures.

4 hours ago, NOTW said:

Lurie going over his "voluminous notes."  (Who remembers that reference?)

I do.    I use it often, just like 'emotional intelligence'.           That PC was Lurie in my mind.

53 minutes ago, time2rock said:

F any more hires from the Reid tree.  Time to go in a completely different direction.  

I mean hiring from the Reid tree got us a SB. Can't hate that tree that much. 

thanks Doug. we’ll never forget you.

6 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

I mean hiring from the Reid tree got us a SB. Can't hate that tree that much. 

And that tree won the SB last season and could very likely win it again this season. KC is a powerhouse.

Hopefully he lands on his feet. 

1 hour ago, wyote said:

Got to hand it to Doug. When he was hired, most fans disliked him more than they disliked Howie. When he was fired, most fans dislike Howie more than they dislike him. 

When he was hired, I very much disliked Roseman and thought Pederson was just a "hey, let's get as close to Andy as we can find" disaster of a hire.           Now that he is fired, I still very much dislike Roseman and think the whole thing is a colossal waste of everyone's time if Roseman isn't schiitcanned as well.        

If Roseman is involved in hiring a coach and is still in charge of personnel, I honestly don't give a damn who they hire.          It's staggering to me that Lurie is going to let this clown continue to run the football operation and expect fans to care about the team.

5 minutes ago, mjkvol said:

When he was hired, I very much disliked Roseman and thought Pederson was just a "hey, let's get as close to Andy as we can find" disaster of a hire.           Now that he is fired, I still very much dislike Roseman and think the whole thing is a colossal waste of everyone's time if Roseman isn't schiitcanned as well.        

If Roseman is involved in hiring a coach and is still in charge of personnel, I honestly don't give a damn who they hire.          It's staggering to me that Lurie is going to let this clown continue to run the football operation and expect fans to care about the team.

I'm going to care no matter who is hired or fired. 

I understand that Howie is very unpopular with the media and fans, but I think that has more to do with his appearance and image than with his actual performance compared to other NFL GMs.

Clearly Lurie cares more about winning than about making fans happy, or we'd have a GM that looks and sounds like an NFL guy rather than a GM that looks and sounds like a really good accountant.

Whether he's right about Howie or not, who knows. I don't pretend to know why Lurie would fire or keep Howie, or what the right decision would be.

 

2 hours ago, kiwieagle said:

Before you typed that out did you ever consider, where this team would be without those 14 receptions and 254 yards over the last two years. Who could possibly have replaced that "instant impact” production....

I’m not defending JJAW, but the Patriots drafted N’Keal Harry in the first round of that draft, and he isn’t much better. He has 414 yards in his career. My friend is a Patriots fan, and hates him.

I have no real point other than the fact the Patriots also drafted a terrible receiver ... even higher than us lol.