7 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I don't think you can give Sanders a heavy load though. He's a special talent with the ball in his hands no doubt but I don't think he's shown he can withstand a heavy load. 

When have we given him one?

11 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK, maybe Duce would actually incorporate the running game Ped was eager to give up every game???? Add a pass happy OC and thats a nice mix of ideas/game planning Pointless to have Sanders if you hardly play him

It is most likely going to come down to choosing from a really undesirable candidate like Gase or Kafka or hiring Duce ... I'd choose the latter and not even close.  He just needs to hire an experienced, creative OC to run the offense and focus on leading the team overall.

27 minutes ago, time2rock said:

It is most likely going to come down to choosing from a really undesirable candidate like Gase or Kafka or hiring Duce ... I'd choose the latter and not even close.  He just needs to hire an experienced, creative OC to run the offense and focus on leading the team overall.

Here is my question to you. If Eric Bieniemy stays in KC. If you have Duce as HC and Kafka as OC would that be ok? 

Not my first choice but I would be open to that combo

15 minutes ago, philafan4o8 said:

Here is my question to you. If Eric Bieniemy stays in KC. If you have Duce as HC and Kafka as OC would that be ok? 

Not my first choice but I would be open to that combo

Not a fan of Kafka in any capacity TBH.  Hiring him would be the equivalent of promoting Taylor.  Both are completely inexperienced running an NFL offense.  

3 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Not a fan of Kafka in any capacity TBH.  Hiring him would be the equivalent of promoting Taylor.  Both are completely inexperienced running an NFL offense.  

I can respect that. I do like Graham Harrell from USC as an OC Candidate

This I can get behind:

HC: Duce Staley

OC: Graham Harrell (had an off year as playcaller but California COVID restrictions didnt allow the team to practice much)

DC: Marvin Lewis

10 hours ago, Infam said:

I think he can, but it would be better for us if he didn't.

There is a fantasy of mine, where Duce becomes HC and we draft Najee Harris for him.. Sanders, Harris and Hurts with Duce would be interesting.

I mean would it? That's a lot of resources in running the ball...

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

When have we given him one?

They haven't and he still breaks down. 

I feel like their plan is to continue to try their hardest to convince Lincoln Riley to take the job. Once that fails, they will turn to Duce. At this point I'd be shocked if it wasnt one of them two. With a 95% chance it's Duce. 

If so, I really hope he or Howie can assemble a staff around Duce. I can get behind the idea of Duce as a CEO type head coach who is a leader of men. I have no clue if he can run an offense or call plays and that scares the hell out of me. 

1 hour ago, Usain23 said:

I feel like their plan is to continue to try their hardest to convince Lincoln Riley to take the job. Once that fails, they will turn to Duce. At this point I'd be shocked if it wasnt one of them two. With a 95% chance it's Duce. 

Unfortunately I think you're right. I think very likely it's Duce with an outside chance that it'll be Riley. I'm just not sure Riley would want to touch this job. 

With Howie there, Duce would be set up for failure as he picks scrub after scrub after scrub and tells Duce to go win it all with that roster.

10 hours ago, PoconoDon said:

With Howie there, Duce would be set up for failure as he picks scrub after scrub after scrub and tells Duce to go win it all with that roster.

But I don't think they are going to have any other choice but to give Duce the job. 

Choosing personnel packages does not at all mean Doug is chooses which player goes in at each position. That’s why he has position coaches. This was 100% Staley’s call.

 

I also saw something that said the patriots get two thirds if we make mayo our coach. Do we get picks if we promote Staley? 
 

There’s at least 3 names I would rather have over Staley but draft picks would definitely be enticing.

On 1/14/2021 at 8:29 AM, philafan4o8 said:

I am so confused. Since Duce has been with the team the RB position has literally been the most stable position on the team year in and year out. This bozo Doug Pederson tried to throw Staley under the bus by saying he controlled the RB rotation but that is not true. Doug Pederson has literally said multiple times in interviews that he controls all playcalls and personel packages on offense. Does is make sense for someone to change personel if they do not know which plays are about to be called? As a former RB Duce understands the importance of RBs getting into a rhythm.

I am not going to say he is the best candidate. I respect everyones opinion if they like other candidate more than Duce. My issue is with people saying that he has not done enough to be a head coach in this league. For whatever it is worth and Im sure it is just a title but Duce has also been the Assistant Head Coach of this team. Duce is not my top choice but i think he has the tools and experience to be a good head coach in this league now!

You actually think Doug is calling plays and then telling which players to go out on the field at each given moment? I’ll tell you now, he does not.

your point about duce not knowing who to put in because he doesn’t know what play will be picked is ridiculous. You have a star rb, it should not ever be a question of who is in. And before you argue that Scott is a better third down back/pass catcher... wouldn’t it be on Duce to get sanders up to par on that?

Again, I would not be completely against this. But this would be a sideways move to me. Our success would be 100% based around who Staley hires as his supporting cast. 
 

I could see it happening. Not my preference at all. Would be holding my breath until I see which coordinators he gets.

43 minutes ago, ibleedgreen1990 said:

You actually think Doug is calling plays and then telling which players to go out on the field at each given moment? I’ll tell you now, he does not.

your point about duce not knowing who to put in because he doesn’t know what play will be picked is ridiculous. You have a star rb, it should not ever be a question of who is in. And before you argue that Scott is a better third down back/pass catcher... wouldn’t it be on Duce to get sanders up to par on that?

Again, I would not be completely against this. But this would be a sideways move to me. Our success would be 100% based around who Staley hires as his supporting cast. 
 

I could see it happening. Not my preference at all. Would be holding my breath until I see which coordinators he gets.

Judging by the reports over Lurie not being on board with Doug's preferences for filling out his staff (and the debacle we saw last year with Groh and Walch), I think it is safe to say who Duce would intend to hire was a huge point of discussion during the interview and we can assume he'd have a strong staff planned otherwise he won't be offered the position.  

9 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Judging by the reports over Lurie not being on board with Doug's preferences for filling out his staff (and the debacle we saw last year with Groh and Walch), I think it is safe to say who Duce would intend to hire was a huge point of discussion during the interview and we can assume he'd have a strong staff planned otherwise he won't be offered the position.  

Then we are one assistant getting poached away from being trash again? No thanks

Its one thing if we pick someone and they end up being mediocre. It’s another if we decide to be mediocre. I just see this hire as being a prayer basically. There is so much more downside and risk than there is benefit and potential. Pretty much makes it not worth it IMO.

id rather hire joe Brady, Lincoln Riley, or Brian Dabboll. There is at least some extremes upside with each one to go along with the risk.

I encourage people to consider that Staley has been on this team for yeeeeeeeaaaars. Has been looked over by multiple coaching staffs for significant promotions and let’s be honest... he was never really getting consideration for the HC job when he interviewed years back.
 

Is it everyone else or is it him? 

 

 

54 minutes ago, ibleedgreen1990 said:

Then we are one assistant getting poached away from being trash again? No thanks

Its one thing if we pick someone and they end up being mediocre. It’s another if we decide to be mediocre. I just see this hire as being a prayer basically. There is so much more downside and risk than there is benefit and potential. Pretty much makes it not worth it IMO.

id rather hire joe Brady, Lincoln Riley, or Brian Dabboll. There is at least some extremes upside with each one to go along with the risk.

I encourage people to consider that Staley has been on this team for yeeeeeeeaaaars. Has been looked over by multiple coaching staffs for significant promotions and let’s be honest... he was never really getting consideration for the HC job when he interviewed years back.
 

Is it everyone else or is it him? 

 

 

Fair points.  Wasn’t advocating for him just defending the concern over his staff.  I too would prefer Daboll, Brady, or Riley (but not Kafka or Moore).

2 hours ago, ibleedgreen1990 said:

You actually think Doug is calling plays and then telling which players to go out on the field at each given moment? I’ll tell you now, he does not.

your point about duce not knowing who to put in because he doesn’t know what play will be picked is ridiculous. You have a star rb, it should not ever be a question of who is in. And before you argue that Scott is a better third down back/pass catcher... wouldn’t it be on Duce to get sanders up to par on that?

Again, I would not be completely against this. But this would be a sideways move to me. Our success would be 100% based around who Staley hires as his supporting cast. 
 

I could see it happening. Not my preference at all. Would be holding my breath until I see which coordinators he gets.

Your first point is valid but again for the most part, Doug controls the personnel packages. 

Doug has stated previously that he has taken Miles Sanders out of games because he is "tired.” 
 

lastly, isn’t it true that this teams success will be based on the supporting cast around any head coach they hire? 

4 hours ago, philafan4o8 said:

Your first point is valid but again for the most part, Doug controls the personnel packages. 

Doug has stated previously that he has taken Miles Sanders out of games because he is "tired.” 
 

lastly, isn’t it true that this teams success will be based on the supporting cast around any head coach they hire? 

Again, a personell package is 3wr, a rb, etc... he doesn’t go "ok.. you, you, and you”. Lmao this is different than what you are making it out to be.

Doug has stated in a pressers that Duce controls the rb rotation. Not sure why we are even talking about this. 
 

No, that is not true. We personally have poached coaches away from another good coach and they found success the year after. Staley is another Pederson, at best. Take away his version of Reich and it’s back to square one. Why not just hire the person who will really be behind the success?

Anyone know if we get picks for hiring him?

1 hour ago, ibleedgreen1990 said:

Anyone know if we get picks for hiring him?

Teams get picks for their diverse coaches and front office personnel getting hired, not hiring them.

1 hour ago, philafan4o8 said:

Teams get picks for their diverse coaches and front office personnel getting hired, not hiring them.

I mean technically we would be on both sides. Getting our coach hired and doing the hiring of a "diverse” coach.

13 hours ago, time2rock said:

Judging by the reports over Lurie not being on board with Doug's preferences for filling out his staff (and the debacle we saw last year with Groh and Walch), I think it is safe to say who Duce would intend to hire was a huge point of discussion during the interview and we can assume he'd have a strong staff planned otherwise he won't be offered the position.  

I think it’s more Duce saying he’d be willing to let Howie determine and hire the staff.  

4 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I think it’s more Duce saying he’d be willing to let Howie determine and hire the staff.  

Which is just complete nonsense. The HC should hire his staff as part of his vision not the other way around. 

7 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Which is just complete nonsense. The HC should hire his staff as part of his vision not the other way around. 

Well, you just know that Howie gonna Howie. Only Lurie can stop that now and he thinks Howie is the best ever so, we're screwed sideways.