February 3, 20214 yr 19 hours ago, VanHammersly said: This. The left at least has a basic level of self awareness. People like Maher call them out on their BS. All the right has is blowhards screaming the same lines all day in perfect harmony.
February 3, 20214 yr I don’t know how the Republicans managed to do it, but they somehow made Libertarians look sane.
February 3, 20214 yr 5 hours ago, Bill said: I don’t know how the Republicans managed to do it, but they somehow made Libertarians look sane.
February 3, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, VanHammersly said: There are more. More than 6,000 Oregonians left the Republican Party in January - including Knute Buehler, a former Republican for governor candidate in the state. More on him: Knute Buehler on leaving GOP: 'I don't even know what the Republican Party stands for' Arizona numbers reported here as 7500 7600 in Utah 30,000 voters nationally according to The Hill - cites 10,000 PA Republicans (1/3 of them registered as Democrats), 2300 in Maryland and thousands in certain FL counties alone Texas Republican party fires staffer for attending Capitol riot and for social media posts So just checking in so far: Former Bush officials leaving GOP Mitch McConnel called Qanon stuff looney lies and conspiracy theories Thousands of Republicans are changing registration and leaving the party House voting to remove Greene from committees, some Republican support for this So there is division about this and perhaps a split of sorts in the party. I think we can stop suggesting that every Republican voter and politician support Trump, QAnon, Greene, etc. The "good ones" if you will, are leaving the party.
February 3, 20214 yr 22 minutes ago, NOTW said: I think we can stop suggesting that every Republican voter and politician support Trump, QAnon, Greene, etc. I'll take things no one has ever said for $500 Alex. What was said is that is what the republican party stands for. Your post actually proves my point. The ones who don't agree with Q anon, violence, and fascism are leaving the party in droves. What is left behind is even more a majority of those who do believe in such things.
February 3, 20214 yr 27 minutes ago, NOTW said: There are more. More than 6,000 Oregonians left the Republican Party in January - including Knute Buehler, a former Republican for governor candidate in the state. More on him: Knute Buehler on leaving GOP: 'I don't even know what the Republican Party stands for' Arizona numbers reported here as 7500 7600 in Utah 30,000 voters nationally according to The Hill - cites 10,000 PA Republicans (1/3 of them registered as Democrats), 2300 in Maryland and thousands in certain FL counties alone Texas Republican party fires staffer for attending Capitol riot and for social media posts So just checking in so far: Former Bush officials leaving GOP Mitch McConnel called Qanon stuff looney lies and conspiracy theories Thousands of Republicans are changing registration and leaving the party House voting to remove Greene from committees, some Republican support for this So there is division about this and perhaps a split of sorts in the party. I think we can stop suggesting that every Republican voter and politician support Trump, QAnon, Greene, etc. The "good ones" if you will, are leaving the party. While we're at it, I think we can stop playing Bridge with our grandmas on Saturdays while smoking tobacco out of a corncob pipe, or tickling our neighbor's pet duck after lunch until it falls over and pisses itself, or playing double dutch with kids dressed like kriss kross in the parking lot of the nearest video store.
February 3, 20214 yr 50 minutes ago, Gannan said: I'll take things no one has ever said for $500 Alex. What was said is that is what the republican party stands for. Your post actually proves my point. The ones who don't agree with Q anon, violence, and fascism are leaving the party in droves. What is left behind is even more a majority of those who do believe in such things. Yeah my post (and Van's, but no one's attacking him) were showing that there are Republicans both politicians and voters leaving the party, leaving the crazy and cult behind. All I'm saying it's let's recognize that's happening when we talk about what's happening in the Republican party. There are also Republicans (a couple CVON Republican never-Trumpers have said this) that haven't left the party, they hope it returns to norms. So remaining a Republican doesn't mean they support Qanon or agree with Marjorie Greene. We've spent 4 years hearing liberals say the crazy on the left doesn't represent all of them, that the more moderate liberals have held back the far-left. So let's see what happens with the more moderate or traditional conservatives. Clearly there's a split happening.
February 3, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, NOTW said: Yeah my post (and Van's, but no one's attacking him) were showing that there are Republicans both politicians and voters leaving the party, leaving the crazy and cult behind. All I'm saying it's let's recognize that's happening when we talk about what's happening in the Republican party. There are also Republicans (a couple CVON Republican never-Trumpers have said this) that haven't left the party, they hope it returns to norms. So remaining a Republican doesn't mean they support Qanon or agree with Marjorie Greene. We've spent 4 years hearing liberals say the crazy on the left doesn't represent all of them, that the more moderate liberals have held back the far-left. So let's see what happens with the more moderate or traditional conservatives. Clearly there's a split happening. If they don't strip crazy lady's committee assignments, or punish Liz Cheney, that will be it for me. Will have to switch to Democrat and vote for moderates. This is the GOP's day of reckoning.
February 3, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, vikas83 said: If they don't strip crazy lady's committee assignments, or punish Liz Cheney, that will be it for me. Will have to switch to Democrat and vote for moderates. This is the GOP's day of reckoning. https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/03/politics/liz-cheney-house-republican-meeting/index.html Quote "If she apologizes, not for her votes but for the words she used and the way she handled it, then she's fine," said one top House Republican member who asked not to be identified. "If she's angry and defiant, then half the conference will be against her. How does she stay on at that point?" All Liz Cheney has to do is apologize for her words and she's in the clear. Words are powerful and as we all know, Trump supporters have a high standard when it comes to words. They demand only the best words.
February 3, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said: https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/03/politics/liz-cheney-house-republican-meeting/index.html All Liz Cheney has to do is apologize for her words and she's in the clear. Words are powerful and as we all know, Trump supporters have a high standard when it comes to words. They demand only the best words. This is just nuts. She shouldn't apologize for a damn thing.
February 3, 20214 yr 12 minutes ago, vikas83 said: If they don't strip crazy lady's committee assignments, or punish Liz Cheney, that will be it for me. Will have to switch to Democrat and vote for moderates. This is the GOP's day of reckoning. I agree, the party has a fork in the road moment here. They tolerated Trump and let the cult fester. I see a difference between the politicians and the voters. There are still too many voters who still supported Trump as well though. I don't buy that most Republican voters support Qanon conspiracies, support MURDERING Democrat politicians or want to remove POTUS term limits altogether to allow a President to stay in office for life. But you're going to have a lot of Republicans that don't want to register as Democrats for policies they disagree with. So they'll have to decide, register Independent, Libertarian or stay Republican and see who is running in 2024. There are moderate Democrats who don't want their party going too far left, they're staying to try and keep the party moderate and not too far left. There could be good Republican people who long for the party the way it used to be and hope for it to return.
February 3, 20214 yr On 2/2/2021 at 11:03 AM, NOTW said: So this is a good start no? McConnell denouncing it and calling it looney lies and conspiracy theories. Does Mitch count as a "mainstream" voice in the Republican party? I still agree it should be denounced by all of them, troubling that she was elected and all and the GOP has a lot of work to do but this is a good step no? At least some in the GOP denounced the insurrection, and McConnel (quoted above) called Qanon looney lies and conspiracy theories. You would hope that more (or all) would denounce it as well and that's a problem. But it seems not everyone is "comfortable" with it. She got elected because she ran unopposed. The base threatened her opponent Kevin Van Ausdal and his family. It got so bad that he quit AND moved him and his family.
February 3, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, NOTW said: I don't buy that most Republican voters support Qanon conspiracies, support MURDERING Democrat politicians or want to remove POTUS term limits altogether to allow a President to stay in office for life. Quote Majority Of Republicans Believe The QAnon Conspiracy Theory Is Partly Or Mostly True, Survey Finds Tommy BeerForbes Staff Business Some 56% of Republicans believe that QAnon, a far-right conspiracy theory, is mostly or partly true, according to a new Daily Kos/Civiqs poll released Wednesday, a remarkably high number considering many of the outlandish assertions espoused by QAnon supporters.
February 3, 20214 yr 18 minutes ago, NOTW said: Yeah my post (and Van's, but no one's attacking him) were showing that there are Republicans both politicians and voters leaving the party, leaving the crazy and cult behind. All I'm saying it's let's recognize that's happening when we talk about what's happening in the Republican party. There are also Republicans (a couple CVON Republican never-Trumpers have said this) that haven't left the party, they hope it returns to norms. So remaining a Republican doesn't mean they support Qanon or agree with Marjorie Greene. We've spent 4 years hearing liberals say the crazy on the left doesn't represent all of them, that the more moderate liberals have held back the far-left. So let's see what happens with the more moderate or traditional conservatives. Clearly there's a split happening.
February 3, 20214 yr 28 minutes ago, vikas83 said: If they don't strip crazy lady's committee assignments, or punish Liz Cheney, that will be it for me. Will have to switch to Democrat and vote for moderates. This is the GOP's day of reckoning. Beer is in the fridge... Quote WASHINGTON — House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said Wednesday that the House of Representatives would vote Thursday on whether to strip embattled Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., of her committee assignments after Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy failed to take action against her. "I spoke to Leader McCarthy this morning, and it is clear there is no alternative to holding a Floor vote on the resolution to remove Rep. Greene from her committee assignments," Hoyer, D-Md., said in a tweet. "The Rules Committee will meet this afternoon, and the House will vote on the resolution tomorrow."
February 3, 20214 yr 24 minutes ago, NOTW said: I don't buy that most Republican voters support Qanon conspiracies, support MURDERING Democrat politicians or want to remove POTUS term limits altogether to allow a President to stay in office for life. That's just fanning the flames type language. However, the situation with Liz and the situation with MTG are real items.
February 3, 20214 yr 25 minutes ago, Gannan said: Uh, the actual survey link says that 33% believe it's mostly true. 33% is not a majority. It was also taken end of August/early September. This Newsweek article states that the number has dropped since the Capitol incident: down to 24% And it says that 72% of Democrats say it's not true at all - meaning 28% believe it's true right? So only 5 percentage points higher for Republican over Democrat. Surveys of only 1,368 people and twisting metrics is neat! Quote QAnon, a far-right conspiracy theory about "deep state elites” has extensive support among Republican voters. One in three Republicans (33%) believe that the QAnon theory is mostly true. Another 23% of Republicans say that some parts of the QAnon conspiracy are true. Only 13% of Republicans think that it is not true at all. In contrast, 72% of Democrats say the QAnon conspiracy theory is not true at all. The question asked was "Do you believe that the QAnon theory about a conspiracy among deep state elites is true?" There's a difference between believing in "deep state elites" and believing that they are Satan worshippers who sacrifice children, that Jewish space lasers caused the wildfire, etc. So which "parts" do people believe? That there are elites running the government? That there is an "establishment" or "deep state" of traditional politicians that didn't like Trump? Hard to gauge specifics, especially from a survey of only 1300 people online.
February 3, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, NOTW said: Uh, the actual survey link says that 33% believe it's mostly true. 33% is not a majority. And it says that 72% of Democrats say it's not true at all - meaning 28% believe it's true right? So only 5 percentage points higher for Republican over Democrat. Surveys of only 1,368 people and twisting metrics is neat! The question asked was "Do you believe that the QAnon theory about a conspiracy among deep state elites is true?" There's a difference between believing in "deep state elites" and believing that they are Satan worshippers who sacrifice children, that Jewish space lasers caused the wildfire, etc. So which "parts" do people believe? That there are elites running the government? That there is an "establishment" or "deep state" of traditional politicians that didn't like Trump? Hard to gauge specifics, especially from a survey of only 1300 people online. Those nasty nuanced details...
February 3, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, NOTW said: Uh, the actual survey link says that 33% believe it's mostly true. 33% is not a majority. And it says that 72% of Democrats say it's not true at all - meaning 28% believe it's true right? So only 5 percentage points higher for Republican over Democrat. Surveys of only 1,368 people and twisting metrics is neat! The question asked was "Do you believe that the QAnon theory about a conspiracy among deep state elites is true?" There's a difference between believing in "deep state elites" and believing that they are Satan worshippers who sacrifice children, that Jewish space lasers caused the wildfire, etc. So which "parts" do people believe? That there are elites running the government? That there is an "establishment" or "deep state" of traditional politicians that didn't like Trump? Hard to gauge specifics, especially from a survey of only 1300 people online. Playing with numbers is fun! Quote Only 13% of Republicans think that it is not true at all.
February 3, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, NOTW said: Uh, the actual survey link says that 33% believe it's mostly true. 33% is not a majority. And it says that 72% of Democrats say it's not true at all - meaning 28% believe it's true right? So only 5 percentage points higher for Republican over Democrat. Surveys of only 1,368 people and twisting metrics is neat! The question asked was "Do you believe that the QAnon theory about a conspiracy among deep state elites is true?" There's a difference between believing in "deep state elites" and believing that they are Satan worshippers who sacrifice children, that Jewish space lasers caused the wildfire, etc. So which "parts" do people believe? That there are elites running the government? That there is an "establishment" or "deep state" of traditional politicians that didn't like Trump? Hard to gauge specifics, especially from a survey of only 1300 people online. Belief in QAnon QAnon, a far-right conspiracy theory about "deep state elites” has extensive support among Republican voters. One in three Republicans (33%) believe that the QAnon theory is mostly true. Another 23% of Republicans say that some parts of the QAnon conspiracy are true. Only 13% of Republicans think that it is not true at all. In contrast, 72% of Democrats say the QAnon conspiracy theory is not true at all.
February 3, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Those nasty nuanced details... You both want so badly to try to prove that this group of fascists who at the very least are trying to sweep the attempted violent overthrow of our democracy under the rug without addressing it or punishing those responsible in an effort to "both sides it". I think you both are good posters and probably good people, but quite frankly you're embarrassing yourselves.
February 3, 20214 yr Just now, DrPhilly said: I bet 70% of them don't even know what the QAnon theory is Of course you do. And his foot probably slipped on the gas pedal in Charlottesville.
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