July 5, 20223 yr 20 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: "Anonymized" and aggregate political views as a contingency for funding is still ef'd (as you concur). Though most research funding comes from the federal level and private grants. States don't provide much beyond undergraduate subsidies. What's more ridiculous is that the more radical right wing legislation becomes the more you push colleges and universities away. Yes I agree. Aiming for diversity (all types) is fine but this is a poorly thought out chunk of policy even if there isn't any actual requirement for anyone in particular to register anything but rather for a survey to be conducted.
July 5, 20223 yr 19 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Then you didn’t understand what you were reading. No Dave, you're the one that doesn't seem to understand what the word "required" means. Yes, if they aren't anonymized it can be a problem. That still isn't the same thing as "required". Let's just start with the fact that the requirement is for a "survey" and it says nothing about required participation. The measure is a bad one and could be misused as well. I agree on that. However, there is still no required registration going on.
July 5, 20223 yr Author 4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Yes I agree. Aiming for diversity (all types) is fine but this is a poorly thought out chunk of policy even if there isn't any actual requirement for anyone in particular to register anything but rather for a survey to be conducted. DeSantis is nakedly pandering to the social grievance warriors. Guys like bacarty2 who think white guys getting increased scrutiny is totally unfair. (It is to a degree, but it barely registers if we're engaging in competitive victimhood)
July 5, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: No Dave, you're the one that doesn't seem to understand what the word "required" means. Yes, if they aren't anonymized it can be a problem. That still isn't the same thing as "required". Let's just start with the fact that the requirement is for a "survey" and it says nothing about required participation. The measure is a bad one and could be misused as well. I agree on that. However, there is still no required registration going on. If the surveys are required, but participation isn’t, then why would anyone participate in it?
July 5, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: DeSantis is nakedly pandering to the social grievance warriors. Guys like bacarty2 who think white guys getting increased scrutiny is totally unfair. (It is to a degree, but it barely registers if we're engaging in competitive victimhood) Yeah, it is dumb. If he really was serious about the issue then he should be looking into other ways to deal with it. As you say, it is just political pandering the way it is setup.
July 5, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: If the surveys are required, but participation isn’t, then why would anyone participate in it? They don't have to. That's the point. The school is the entity required to conduct the survey. There is also the possibility of making it anonymous which might make it more interesting for people to participate. The policy is stupid but the article headline and that tweet was just normal stretchy click bait type stuff.
July 5, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said: They don't have to. That's the point. The school is the entity required to conduct the survey. There is also the possibility of making it anonymous which might make it more interesting for people to participate. The policy is stupid but the article headline and that tweet was just normal stretchy click bait type stuff. c’mon Doc
July 5, 20223 yr Just now, Dave Moss said: c’mon Doc C'mon Dave. This is 1st grade level stuff dude. Surely, you can see what it is and what it is not.
July 5, 20223 yr They’re going to do a study on diversity in higher ed, but let people opt out of it?
July 5, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Dave Moss said: They’re going to do a study on diversity in higher ed, but let people opt out of it? Let's get down to 101 level. Do you know what a survey is? 4 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: Hide contents nuance...please post the word nuance. This isn't about nuance. This is pure simple fact.
July 5, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: They’re going to do a study on diversity in higher ed, but let people opt out of it? Dave, if you read the language of the bill, you'd see that the school lets students opt out of it but only until after the election.
July 5, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Let's get down to 101 level. Do you know what a survey is? If doing the survey is contingent on funding I’m guessing it’s not going to be optional. What am I missing? Just now, we_gotta_believe said: Dave, if you read the language of the bill, you'd see that the school lets students opt-out of it but only until after the election.
July 5, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Dave Moss said: If doing the survey is contingent on funding I’m guessing it’s not going to be optional. What am I missing? Well to start you don't seem to understand the difference between an information gathering survey vs. a requirement for individuals to register something specifically. Here is the bottom line: This is a **** policy that is just crappy political pandering. However, there is zero requirement for any individual to do anything and certainly not to register political affiliation. It isn't some question of nuance. It simply is what it is, no more and no less.
July 5, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Well to start you don't seem to understand the difference between an information gathering survey vs. a requirement for individuals to register something specifically. Here is the bottom line: This is a **** policy that is just crappy political pandering. However, there is zero requirement for any individual to do anything and certainly not to register political affiliation. It isn't some question of nuance. It simply is what it is, no more and no less.
July 5, 20223 yr 4 hours ago, dawkins4prez said: You don't even understand your own arguments on this anymore. I fully understand my arguments. Yours as well.
July 5, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Maybe.. and I'm just spit balling here .. maybe if the right didn't continually support and pass laws specifically crafted to be hostile to the educated class and attempted to create a platform (HAH!) that had any appeal to people under 40, they could compete on the merits of their solutions rather than trying to coerce the population through policy .... Man it sounds crazy when you type it out like that. "Educated class" 🤣🤣🤣. "coerce the population through policy" you say? 🤣🤣🤣
July 5, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: repugs = The Dems are actually anti-tree because they want to ban carbon!
July 5, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: The Dems are actually anti-tree because they want to ban plastic straws and shopping bags. I got that. 😏 Sorry. Old enough to remember the arguing over the use of paper bags at the grocery store back in the day.
July 5, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, lynched1 said: I got that. 😏 Sorry. Old enough to remember the arguing over the use of paper bags at the grocery store back in the day. It is interesting how things come full circle. But obviously the trendy thing is reusable bags now. Plastic bags are satanic.
July 5, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Dave Moss said: It is interesting how things come full circle. But obviously the trendy thing is reusable bags now. Plastic bags are satanic. It certainly is. I was trying to talk the girls into taking plastic bags with them to go grocery shopping at the Jersey shore too. 😆
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