Just now, JohnSnowsHair said:

I said that, and later I said that if it turns out that he has a gay son I hope he re-examines his priors.

Somewhere in there I guess I'm cheerleading for groomers in the minds of idiots.

No dude, go back to the original argument.  It had nothing to do with your son being gay at all and I have no idea where you got the notion that Id have a problem if my son was gay.

Its ok though, even though you guys are accusing me of getting personal when thats exactly what you're doing, Im not mad about it.

 

I just dont think you could defend your original points and my questions triggered you.

"How is a teacher trained in any way to counsel a student, especially behind a parents back?"

"How would a student identify 'allies' if the teacher didnt volunteer details of his/her personal life or sexual orientation?"

You said you'd be fine with your kid seeking support "wherever they found it," I wondered if that extended to a local youth pastor, or a gas station employee, or if this secret can only be shared with teachers?

Im not trying to criticize your parenting Im challenging your logic and youre lashing out and attacking me.  

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Right, so he never once said he hopes your son turns out to be gay. WV Literacy strikes again! 

But yes, he's saying IF your son turns out to be gay, he hopes you grow the F up and start acting like a normal human being. He's not projecting anything, because you are indeed an absolute garbage human being. 

He never said what you said either 

Edit: and yet another personal attack.   Too bad youre too dumb to have real conversations with.  

12 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Forget I said anything. I need to go back to work. A concept that may be foreign in CVON.

Work? Huh?

14 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

No actually thats not at all how that played out.  I provided the link to the whole convo, go read it.

I was asking for clarity on the stance of people like him who say they support children going behind their parents back to a teacher, and all of a sudden he throws that out of nowhere.

My stance is that its something nice to say but horrible and inappropriate in practice, all of a sudden he goes for the emotional appeal, classic fallacy, and what do you know, it works on most of you.

Would it make you agree with my stance if I had a son who was molested by a teacher? 

It shouldn't, but I bet it would. 

Learn how to debate.

You're such a liar. You were the one that claimed he wouldn't be acting the same if it were his kids. That's what prompted that post from him. Look, the fact that you can barely read makes you think we are all just as dumb, but you once again fail to realize we didn't grow up in WV.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

You're such a liar. You were the one that claimed he wouldn't be acting the same if it were his kids. That's what prompted that post from him. Look, the fact that you can barely read makes you think we are all just as dumb, but you once again fail to realize we didn't grow up in WV.

Oh really???

Im the liar, interesting.   So go find where I took a personal shot at his son then WGB.  You said I did it.   Now go find it.  

Youre the biggest fraud on this board. 

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

He never said what you said either 

Edit: and yet another personal attack.   Too bad youre too dumb to have real conversations with.  

And yes he did...

On 3/27/2023 at 10:42 AM, JohnSnowsHair said:

you know what f* you dude. I'm done. I hope neither of your kids are gay. it would be tragic. 

Any other things you want to be wrong about today?

21 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Exactly. It’s a witch hunt. They will throw the pasta against the wall.

Again, I think the woke left have absolutely lost their minds and the far right are a paranoid MAGA group who have gone crazy too.

"I'm not a Trump supporter, but it's a witch hunt" 

More of this please 

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Oh really???

Im the liar, interesting.   So go find where I took a personal shot at his son then WGB.  You said I did it.   Now go find it.  

Youre the biggest fraud on this board. 

When you claimed he outed his son. Leave his kids out of it. It's not that hard. 

Well I guess it might be if you were raised in a state with a sorry excuse for an educational system.

7 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

and I have no idea where you got the notion that Id have a problem if my son was gay.

   

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

No dude, go back to the original argument.  It had nothing to do with your son being gay at all and I have no idea where you got the notion that Id have a problem if my son was gay.

Its ok though, even though you guys are accusing me of getting personal when thats exactly what you're doing, Im not mad about it.

 

I just dont think you could defend your original points and my questions triggered you.

"How is a teacher trained in any way to counsel a student, especially behind a parents back?"

"How would a student identify 'allies' if the teacher didnt volunteer details of his/her personal life or sexual orientation?"

You said you'd be fine with your kid seeking support "wherever they found it," I wondered if that extended to a local youth pastor, or a gas station employee, or if this secret can only be shared with teachers?

Im not trying to criticize your parenting Im challenging your logic and youre lashing out and attacking me.  

I'm not going to jump into the back and forth stupidity, but there are plenty of kids who are more comfortable confiding in people other than their parents. Never forget -- there are a lot of terrible parents out there. I have friends that work in education, and kids will talk to them about things they haven't discussed with their parents all the time. Things that are illegal - like abuse - the teacher has a legal responsibility to report. If a kid came out to them, I'm guessing they'd talk to him/her and encourage them to talk to a counselor and/or their parents. There's nothing untoward about that. 

Sounds like you have a strong relationship with your kids, which is great. Many/most kids don't have that.

21 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

What about Biden? Is he innocent of all conflict of interest/using his position for gain in business dealings in Ukraine with Hunter? What about Pelosi and her "convenient” trading habits. They’re all corrupt.

What Nancy Pelosi is doing (which they all do) should be illegal but its not. So no crime there. Nor is there any evidence Biden committed a crime. Lay off the fox news. 

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

When you claimed he outed his son. Leave his kids out of it. It's not that hard. 

Well I guess it might be if you were raised in a state with a sorry excuse for an educational system.

Lol he brought his son into it you absolute mental midget.  You literally just said hes the one who brought his sons sexuality into the picture.  Prior to that I didnt even know he has a son.

How f'ing stupid are you?  Seriously?  

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

   

Go find it, clown.  Ill wait.  Dont worry, Ill keep reminding you.

14 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

 

Aww come on, bud, we were just getting to know each other. You can't leave already, you just got here. Take your coat off, stay a while.

We can never have too many "I'm not a Trump supporter but here's a bunch of his rhetoric regurgitated form his lame social media posts" guys. 

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Go find it, clown.  Ill wait.  Dont worry, Ill keep reminding you.

Right, you've never quoted bible scriptures to prove why homosexuality is a sin. That must've been some other Mike from WV.

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Lol he brought his son into it you absolute mental midget.  You literally just said hes the one who brought his sons sexuality into the picture.  Prior to that I didnt even know he has a son.

How f'ing stupid are you?  Seriously?  

You said this prior to his post which is what he was specifically responding to and then tried to act like he brought up his kids out of nowhere. You lying, toothless, brain-damaged pile of West Virginian garbage. 

On 3/27/2023 at 10:06 AM, Mike31mt said:

Liar.  No youre not. Youre "fine" with it because you dont think it could happen to your kid. 

If it did, this would all be nonsense word salad.  But right now its a hypothetical so you can maintain the lie.

 

Teachers arent parents and never will be.  Stop trying to be.  Teachers have ZERO rights to discuss anything of that nature with students, and to even think about hiding it from the child's parents is horrifying and appalling. 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

I'm not going to jump into the back and forth stupidity, but there are plenty of kids who are more comfortable confiding in people other than their parents. Never forget -- there are a lot of terrible parents out there. I have friends that work in education, and kids will talk to them about things they haven't discussed with their parents all the time. Things that are illegal - like abuse - the teacher has a legal responsibility to report. If a kid came out to them, I'm guessing they'd talk to him/her and encourage them to talk to a counselor and/or their parents. There's nothing untoward about that. 

Sounds like you have a strong relationship with your kids, which is great. Many/most kids don't have that.

Lol "Im not going to jump into the back and forth"

The context of this discussion has changed and its not about about teachers hiding their students sexuality or transgenderism from their parents anymore. 

Now we're talking about physical abuse and whatever the hell anyone wants to throw out there.  A student being abused at home and telling a responsible adult is something entirely different.

Feel free to answer any of the questions I asked in an entirely different thread that sparked this entire conversation. No one else has.  

Im curious how a student knows how to identify an "ally" (we all know what that phrase means) if there was no prior discussion from the teacher

Answer this: if a child told a teacher they are transgender, does the teacher have a right to keep that info from the parents?  Yes or no?

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

You said this prior to his post which is what he was specifically responding to and then tried to act like he brought up his kids out of nowhere. You lying, toothless, brain-damaged pile of West Virginian garbage. 

I didn't know he had a kid you dip ish--male, female, gay or straight--I was making a hypothetical.  

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Right, you've never quoted bible scriptures to prove why homosexuality is a sin. That must've been some other Mike from WV.

Lol what??

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I didn't know he had a kid you dip ish--male, female, gay or straight--I was making a hypothetical.  

You literally said "your kid" then have the balls to act like he brought it up out of nowhere. So STFU, you lying sack of ish. He was directly responding to YOUR hypothetical and he did not bring it up out of nowhere. 

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Lol what??

Ok, now you're playing dumb so let's go about this a different way...

Do you believe homosexuality is a sin? Are homosexuals who continue to engage in homosexual behavior in danger of going to hell for eternity?

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Lol "Im not going to jump into the back and forth"

The context of this discussion has changed and its not about about teachers hiding their students sexuality or transgenderism from their parents anymore. 

Now we're talking about physical abuse and whatever the hell anyone wants to throw out there.  A student being abused at home and telling a responsible adult is something entirely different.

Feel free to answer any of the questions I asked in an entirely different thread that sparked this entire conversation. No one else has.  

Im curious how a student knows how to identify an "ally" (we all know what that phrase means) if there was no prior discussion from the teacher

Answer this: if a child told a teacher they are transgender, does the teacher have a right to keep that info from the parents?  Yes or no?

Sure. I'll answer. 

1. A kid/teenager could see a teacher, coach, minister, etc. as an ally and someone they trust confiding in. That's pretty basic. Unless you think no kid has ever shared information with a teacher outside the scope of what they may have previously discussed. Or that no person would confide in another human being on any subject where there hasn't been previous dialogue. I've confided in friends about things that we have never talked about because I have built a personal relationship with that person. It's how trust between human beings works.

2. I really don't know the right answer to the second question. I'd definitely say the teacher can't encourage the child in any way (intro to a counselor or doctor) without the parents' knowledge. But if a kid says he thinks he is transgender, and he is afraid his dad will beat him if he tells him, then the teacher should prioritize the kid's safety. It's gotta be case by case.

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Sure. I'll answer. 

1. A kid/teenager could see a teacher, coach, minister, etc. as an ally and someone they trust confiding in. That's pretty basic. Unless you think no kid has ever shared information with a teacher outside the scope of what they may have previously discussed. Or that no person would confide in another human being on any subject where there hasn't been previous dialogue. I've confided in friends about things that we have never talked about because I have built a personal relationship with that person. It's how trust between human beings works.

2. I really don't know the right answer to the second question. I'd definitely say the teacher can't encourage the child in any way (intro to a counselor or doctor) without the parents' knowledge. But if a kid says he thinks he is transgender, and he is afraid his dad will beat him if he tells him, then the teacher should prioritize the kid's safety. It's gotta be case by case.

100% agree BUT there is an age limit that needs to be applied as well.  Something like 12 or below should mean instant and transparent reach out to the parents for anything of real significance.

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

100% agree BUT there is an age limit that needs to be applied as well.  Something like 12 or below should mean instant and transparent reach out to the parents for anything of real significance.

That makes sense to me. I'm against any medical treatment for those under 18 anyway. I was thinking more of a high school student when answering.

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

You literally said "your kid" then have the balls to act like he brought it up out of nowhere. So STFU, you lying sack of ish. He was directly responding to YOUR hypothetical and he did not bring it up out of nowhere. 

You're such a moron.  You literally lied about something I didn't say, ran away, and now youre on this tirade the very next day calling me a liar. Youre a f'ing pyschopath.

Glad you admit it was a hypothetical, thus proving my entire point that what I said had absolutely nothing to do with his kids sexuality, since I knew absolutely nothing about his kid at all up to that point.

 Youre a fraud and a stupid hypocritical one at that.  All you have are personal attacks about WV as if I havent heard every dip ish Ive ever meant say the same things.  Go Derp somewhere else until you can find my personal attack on his son.