What's next? They will continue to be the Party of Trump. A party that wants Authoritarian Rule and continued destruction of Democracy. The radicals will kick out the moderates. (hopefully the Moderates will leave on their own) This is what the Cult wants and House members and Senators want as well. 

 

 

On 1/25/2021 at 4:36 PM, NVeagle said:

Majority is the not the Bible.

Why is the Bible relevant?  Personal religious views related to a sect that branched off from Judaism 2000 years ago are not important when you are governing a country of 100s of millions -- many of whom don't believe in bronze age myths and don't believe that some magical sky daddy and his zombie son have some say over our actions today.

On 1/25/2021 at 4:24 PM, we_gotta_believe said:

I wrote a paper for my history class defending the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki at the same age. Dumb kids are gonna say dumb things and everyone should be given a chance to grow up and learn from their mistakes. The problem with him, at least, is that he doesn't seem particularly interested or capable in the latter.

That's not necessarily dumb what you wrote.  There are many today who still will argue it was justified both militarily and/or politically - WW2 was all out, full out, total war;  buildings, civilians and puppies be damned  (not like today where we may not direct a drone strike if 6 civilians may be in the area).    I think the issue is the 2nd bomb -- the first was enough to demonstrate to Russia and the world what we had and Japan would have likely surrendered eventually without the 2nd one and without an invasion of Japan (which was the big worry).     In reality, the 2nd bomb may have been a scientific experiment mainly -- as we wanted to test using uranium  (Hiroshima) vs. plutonium  (Nagasaki).   Plutonium was the way to go (for fission anyway).  

What? The House Minority Leader has to visit with a failed politician in order to keep rank in his party? A sign the GOP isn’t ready to move on from Trump. 

 

McCarthy has to be the worse party leader to come along in a long time. 

All he had to do was wait this out. Take the heat for a little while. And they could rid themselves.

But what does he do? Give this ish-head air, and give his dumbarse supports hope. 

Moron. I bet McConnell is LIVID.

it's the trump party now. very, very few are brave enough to go against the rabid trump base of violent, lie-consuming morons...so they'll bow down to trump to help their own re-election chances. they need the votes of those trumpbot morons. 

So what do I do if I’m a Christian who absolutely does not support the right wing idiocy, but won’t be able to line up with them Dems?

14 minutes ago, Weaponx01 said:

So what do I do if I’m a Christian who absolutely does not support the right wing idiocy, but won’t be able to line up with them Dems?

Join the Dems and try to change them.  One party is a cult.  One party is not.  I'm sure the Dems don't line up with a lot of your positions (assuming abortion, but I could be wrong), but at least they're somewhat malleable and open to differences of opinion.  Dems need to do better as a party to not shut down positional and policy differences but the GOP has one tenet now (support Trump) and if you don't hold that position, you're out.  That doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room.

Or become a Libertarian.  But you'll have to resign yourself to never winning a national election.

3 minutes ago, Weaponx01 said:

So what do I do if I’m a Christian who absolutely does not support the right wing idiocy, but won’t be able to line up with them Dems?

If abortion is a hard stop for you then yeah that's a rough choice. 

Otherwise I'd just do what most of us do and plug our nose and pick the lesser evil, whatever that is for you. 

9 minutes ago, Weaponx01 said:

So what do I do if I’m a Christian who absolutely does not support the right wing idiocy, but won’t be able to line up with them Dems?

Plenty of Dems are Christian. Biden went to Catholic school, and he is at church every week:

Anyway, I can't tell you which party to choose on your voter registration. It's not about religion or anything else like that. In a closed primary state, which party's candidates do you want to vote for? US gives you 2 major parties to choose from: Republican or Democrat. Both parties have a "center" bloc, even though it doesn't seem like it anymore. Or you could choose a third party, or independent "Unaffiliated".

6 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

If abortion is a hard stop for you then yeah that's a rough choice. 

Otherwise I'd just do what most of us do and plug our nose and pick the lesser evil, whatever that is for you. 

that choice is becoming easier and easier by the day. 

I’m surprised it’s not more.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/536113-tens-of-thousands-of-voters-drop-republican-affiliation-after-capitol

4 minutes ago, Talkingbirds said:

I’m surprised it’s not more.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/536113-tens-of-thousands-of-voters-drop-republican-affiliation-after-capitol

that number is going to keep climbing. there are those like me that havent switched yet, but will be. 

23 minutes ago, toolg said:

Plenty of Dems are Christian. Biden went to Catholic school, and he is at church every week:

Anyway, I can't tell you which party to choose on your voter registration. It's not about religion or anything else like that. In a closed primary state, which party's candidates do you want to vote for? US gives you 2 major parties to choose from: Republican or Democrat. Both parties have a "center" bloc, even though it doesn't seem like it anymore. Or you could choose a third party, or independent "Unaffiliated".

The issue with affiliation comes in closed primary states.  A jaded centrist in either party that drops affiliation cannot vote in the primary which is already an election where the fringes are more likely to vote.  Thus, reducing the voices of reason to reduce the chance of the more fringe candidates making it onto the general election ballot.

3 minutes ago, BBE said:

The issue with affiliation comes in closed primary states.  A jaded centrist in either party that drops affiliation cannot vote in the primary which is already an election where the fringes are more likely to vote.  Thus, reducing the voices of reason to reduce the chance of the more fringe candidates making it onto the general election ballot.

this is where i find myself struggling to stay or leave the gop. 

2 hours ago, Weaponx01 said:

So what do I do if I’m a Christian who absolutely does not support the right wing idiocy, but won’t be able to line up with them Dems?

The current democratic president goes to church every Sunday and incorporates scripture when he addresses the American people. The last republican president spent more time having unprotected sex with a porn star than he did reading the bible or going to church. 

2 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

If abortion is a hard stop for you then yeah that's a rough choice. 

Not really. Making abortion illegal will not stop people from having abortions. It will never happen anyway but if Roe v. Wade were overturned it would largely go back to the way things were. Abortions available for all in blue states. Abortions would be easy to get for rich people, and more difficult and unsafe for poor people to get in red states.

This is yet another issue people get all lathered up about in terms of identity ("I'm staunch pro life. No one is more pro life than I am!!!") without really understanding the policy behind it. For those reasons by all practical logic the abortion issue should factor very little in political party affiliation or how one votes, but as usual people are largely ignorant and uninformed.

18 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Not really. Making abortion illegal will not stop people from having abortions. It will never happen anyway but if Roe v. Wade were overturned it would largely go back to the way things were. Abortions available for all in blue states. Abortions would be easy to get for rich people, and more difficult and unsafe for poor people to get in red states.

This is yet another issue people get all lathered up about in terms of identity ("I'm staunch pro life. No one is more pro life than I am!!!") without really understanding the policy behind it. For those reasons by all practical logic the abortion issue should factor very little in political party affiliation or how one votes, but as usual people are largely ignorant and uninformed.

Preaching to the choir. Just recognizing that is a non starter for some people on principle and no amount of arguing is going to change that for a lot of em. 

2 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

Join the Dems and try to change them.  One party is a cult.  One party is not.  I'm sure the Dems don't line up with a lot of your positions (assuming abortion, but I could be wrong), but at least they're somewhat malleable and open to differences of opinion.  Dems need to do better as a party to not shut down positional and policy differences but the GOP has one tenet now (support Trump) and if you don't hold that position, you're out.  That doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room.

Or become a Libertarian.  But you'll have to resign yourself to never winning a national election.

The left flank is working hard to remove the open and the malleable traits. They aren’t there yet but on their way to succeeding. 

39 minutes ago, Gannan said:

The current democratic president goes to church every Sunday and incorporates scripture when he addresses the American people. The last republican president spent more time having unprotected sex with a porn star than he did reading the bible or going to church. 

hey bud, mr trump never missed a sunday mass and nothing would ever stop him from getting there ! not even some protestors. 

2 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

this is where i find myself struggling to stay or leave the gop. 

Had same thoughts after Trump won in 2016.  Thought of going independent, but then you can’t vote in primary.  Stayed Republican hoping my one vote could help pick some sane new blood for the party.

I was mostly musing out loud, but since so many responded, I’ll dig a little deeper.  I’d voted for Trump in 2016 because I didn’t trust either candidate. I thought Hillary would be given a free pass and Trump’s feet would be held to the fire. I didn’t like my vote, but thought it the lesser of two evils. What I didn’t count on was the way so many people in the country would choose to view him, as larger than life, instead of "just the president”.  I honestly question whether he believed a lot of the things he said. I think he kept it vague and ambiguous because he believed that what his voters wanted to hear.  THAT is the disappointing part. If so many people hadn’t fed into his shenanigans, he would have changed his platform to get the hero worship he was seeking. He did it for the notoriety. I feel like this was all a game to him.

I voted differently in 2020 and felt completely at peace. 
Unfortunately I feel like both parties are being pulled to their extremes at this point. Conservatives are farther long at this point, but Liberals won’t be far behind.  As far as individual issues, someone above mentioned abortion. I am against the vast majority of abortions. In most cases they are to fix an "oopsie!” Don’t want inconvenient kids? Don’t have sex. Now if you asked me to look into the eyes of an abuse victim and say something similar, I wouldn’t be able to do that. Biden is Catholic, last I heard they don’t even get down with birth control. To my that is hypocritical. You cannot deny someone the ability to protect themselves and then hold them accountable when they get pregnant, or get an STD.  
 

I also hated that Obamacare was a product for health and not a set of rules and guidelines. I don’t think that the government should be in that game. And to top it off, 20 pages of the 2000 page document were dedicated to pharmaceuticals. C’mon man. 
 

I’m typing this in my phone so it’s a bit incoherent, I apologize for that. But hopefully it gives a little more background on my initial comment.

6 minutes ago, Weaponx01 said:

I was mostly musing out loud, but since so many responded, I’ll dig a little deeper.  I’d voted for Trump in 2016 because I didn’t trust either candidate. I thought Hillary would be given a free pass and Trump’s feet would be held to the fire. I didn’t like my vote, but thought it the lesser of two evils. What I didn’t count on was the way so many people in the country would choose to view him, as larger than life, instead of "just the president”.  I honestly question whether he believed a lot of the things he said. I think he kept it vague and ambiguous because he believed that what his voters wanted to hear.  THAT is the disappointing part. If so many people hadn’t fed into his shenanigans, he would have changed his platform to get the hero worship he was seeking. He did it for the notoriety. I feel like this was all a game to him.

Very good point.  Trump was a cult leader, not a president.  There's accountability for Presidents.  They slip up, they lose support.  There's no accountability for cult leaders.  They can do no wrong in the eyes of their supporters.