August 11, 20232 yr I would be very surprised if there isn't a strong movement before we get far into 2024 for this issue of Trump's constitutional eligibility to hold office under the 14th Amendment, Section 3. Don't be shocked if the US Supreme Court isn't asked to rule on it: Section 3 No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
August 11, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said: I would be very surprised if there isn't a strong movement before we get far into 2024 for this issue of Trump's constitutional eligibility to hold office under the 14th Amendment, Section 3. Don't be shocked if the US Supreme Court isn't asked to rule on it: Section 3 No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. I've been saying this since Jan 6th. However I don't think the state gop committees from every state would keep him off the ballot. It's the same reason he will run for a 3rd (and 4th, and 5th) term should he win back the presidency. No one will stand up to him and tell him no.
August 11, 20232 yr 22 hours ago, Alphagrand said: I understand that; if Trump offered me a glass of champagne I'd assume it was his piss in a glass. What I'm getting at is, people forget the primaries are designed to be their candidacy for the party's nomination, and the party can (and should) at any time disqualify a candidate at their discretion. If Trump doesn't wish to abide by the party's rules, the party should be telling him to F right off. Right now, Trump needs the Republican Party a lot more than they need him -- he's going to jail unless he gets elected, and he's not getting elected as a third party candidate. The RNC isn't considering that aspect. That's why Trumpism is a creation of the Republican Party, and they should be held accountable for him a generation or more after his death. He's not getting elected as a third party candidate but, as a third party candidate, he will take a lot of votes from the Republican candidate. It's a bad situation either way for the republicans unless he somehow gets locked up before the election. This election should be very close again and any votes to a 3rd party candidate can certainly affect the outcome.
August 11, 20232 yr 16 minutes ago, GreenReaper said: He's not getting elected as a third party candidate but, as a third party candidate, he will take a lot of votes from the Republican candidate. It's a bad situation either way for the republicans unless he somehow gets locked up before the election. This election should be very close again and any votes to a 3rd party candidate can certainly affect the outcome. Trump won't run as a 3rd party candidate. Getting on the ballot is all 50 states as a 3rd party candidate is a massive undertaking that requires a ton of work. Trump doesn't do massive effort. He doesn't do marginal effort. The existing 3rd parties won't touch him, and he's too lazy and stupid to get on the ballot as a new party.
August 11, 20232 yr 19 minutes ago, GreenReaper said: He's not getting elected as a third party candidate but, as a third party candidate, he will take a lot of votes from the Republican candidate. It's a bad situation either way for the republicans unless he somehow gets locked up before the election. This election should be very close again and any votes to a 3rd party candidate can certainly affect the outcome. I don't think him getting locked up fixes the issue for Republicans. He'd be nominated from a prison cell. It only makes it easier for Biden to beat him.
August 11, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Alphagrand said: I would be very surprised if there isn't a strong movement before we get far into 2024 for this issue of Trump's constitutional eligibility to hold office under the 14th Amendment, Section 3. Don't be shocked if the US Supreme Court isn't asked to rule on it: Section 3 No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. Trump has not yet been charged with engaging in "insurrection" or "rebellion", or "given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof". He is charged with: Conspiracy to illegally overturn 2020 election results and halt Jan. 6 certification of ballots; and Obstruction related to those charges Illegally retaining classified docs, and Obstruction and False Statements Falsifying business records So far, 78 counts. IMO, there is one charge related to Jan 6, "Conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding" that has anything to do with the insurrection or rebellion.... But even if Trump is found guilty of this charge, there can still be arguments he wasn't directly involved with the insurrection. I think it will be difficult to invoke 14th Amendment.
August 11, 20232 yr 14 minutes ago, toolg said: Trump has not yet been charged with engaging in "insurrection" or "rebellion", or "given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof". He is charged with: Conspiracy to illegally overturn 2020 election results and halt Jan. 6 certification of ballots; and Obstruction related to those charges Illegally retaining classified docs, and Obstruction and False Statements Falsifying business records So far, 78 counts. IMO, there is one charge related to Jan 6, "Conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding" that has anything to do with the insurrection or rebellion.... But even if Trump is found guilty of this charge, there can still be arguments he wasn't directly involved with the insurrection. I think it will be difficult to invoke 14th Amendment. Trump's PACs are paying a lot of legal bills for some of those charged. If those PACs can be closely tied to Trump himself, I'd argue there is enough there to say he's aiding and comforting them.
August 11, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said: Trump's PACs are paying a lot of legal bills for some of those charged. If those PACs can be closely tied to Trump himself, I'd argue there is enough there to say he's aiding and comforting them. If those PACs can be closely tied to Trump himself... That is key. It can be argued others planned the insurrection; in support of but outside of Trump's efforts.
August 12, 20232 yr AG Matt Gaetz. Yeah. Great idea. He will first hand tackle child trafficking. Just not in the way you would want an AG to do.
August 12, 20232 yr Indiana man charged with murder in the death of his wife wins Republican primary from jail https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/indiana-man-charged-murder-death-wife-wins-republican-primary-jail-rcna27638 The party of Law & Order. Wow.
August 12, 20232 yr Marjorie Taylor Greene’s campaign manager to pay $25k over Ohio train derailment scam Isaiah Wartman and two others ordered to pay restitution over role in fraudulent fund claiming to help East Palestine victims https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/12/marjorie-taylor-greene-campaign-manager-ohio-train-derailment-scam Trump has taught them well.
August 13, 20232 yr Ted Cruz Wails Over ‘Disgraceful’ Appointment of David Weiss as Hunter Biden Special Counsel – Which He Lobbied for Less Than a Year Ago https://www.mediaite.com/tv/ted-cruz-wails-over-disgraceful-appointment-of-david-weiss-as-hunter-biden-special-counsel-which-he-lobbied-for-less-than-a-year-ago/ How can people still believe anything these two-faced dewsh noses say?
August 14, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, vikas83 said: I just wish he had a chance I appreciate what he's trying to do and am forever grateful he's willing to do it, but some of this "fighting for principles" shtick rings a bit hollow when he was in the Trump's corner for as long as he was. At least guys like Mattis, Tillerson, Kelly, etc, bailed when they saw what a clown show he is. Christie, on the other hand, saw it all and still stuck around long enough to help him get prepped for the debates in his bid for re-eleciton.
August 14, 20232 yr This is what the Maga Party is all about. Bigotry on full display. Newest "anti-woke" tantrum: Right-wingers don't think kids of different races can be friends. Considering how rapidly the right's "war on woke" is expanding, it was perhaps inevitable: Self-identified "mama bears" on a Texas school board are angry that a classroom had a poster showing people of different races holding hands. Last week, the school board in Conroe, Texas, a small city north of Houston, turned the right-wing mania for censorship into a dark parody of itself. At issue? A poster that seemed to imply that interracial friendship is possible. According to ABC 13 Eyewitness News in Houston, things started when school trustee Melissa Dungan declared that she had spoken to parents who were upset about "displays of personal ideologies in classrooms." When pressed for an example, according to the news report, "Dungan referred to a first grade student whose parent claimed they were so upset by a poster showing hands of people of different races, that they transferred classrooms." Some other members of the school board did, in fact, argue that there was nothing objectionable about such a poster. But Dungan was backed up by another trustee, Misty Odenweller, who insisted that the depiction of uh, race-mixing was in some way a "violation of the law." The two women are part of "Mama Bears Rising," a secretive far-right group fueling the book-banning mania in Conroe and the surrounding area. At least 59 books have been banned due to their efforts. When another trustee asked Dungan if she personally objected to an illustration of cross-racial friendship, she demurred, simply declaring that she was just trying to avoid "situations like that." Situations like what, exactly? She didn't say. Dungan's behavior is a perfect illustration of the "anti-woke" tap dance. The person alleging nefarious wokeness never admits to their own bigotry, instead pretending that they're reacting to "woke" people who are "pushing" an agenda, in this case through innocuous poster art. Of course, the entire premise of the argument is rooted in bigotry, as this example shows. It presumes that the feelings of real or imagined bigots who might take umbrage at such an image are of paramount importance, and that everyone else's freedoms must be curtailed to appease them.
August 14, 20232 yr The Maga Patform Ban Race Mixing. Seperate but Equal, in public schools. i.e. one classroom for white kids and another for black kids. black and white kids have seperate lunch times and recess times. No race mixing. Book Burning. Feel free to add your's to the list.
August 14, 20232 yr 39 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: I appreciate what he's trying to do and am forever grateful he's willing to do it, but some of this "fighting for principles" shtick rings a bit hollow when he was in the Trump's corner for as long as he was. At least guys like Mattis, Tillerson, Kelly, etc, bailed when they saw what a clown show he is. Christie, on the other hand, saw it all and still stuck around long enough to help him get prepped for the debates in his bid for re-eleciton. Better late than never. We need all those people who worked with Trump (Mattis, Kelly, etc.) to start talking publicly. And not talk about his character. Just keep pointing out he is a moron.
August 14, 20232 yr YOU IGNORANT BUTT WIPE, YOU CAN PRAY ANYWHERE YOU WANT. ANY F-ING TIME. LOTS OF KIDS PRAY IN SCHOOL EVERY DAY. THEY DON'T NEED YOU, OR THE SCHOOL TO MANDATE PRAYER TIME, YOU WORTHLESS POS.
August 14, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, vikas83 said: Better late than never. We need all those people who worked with Trump (Mattis, Kelly, etc.) to start talking publicly. And not talk about his character. Just keep pointing out he is a moron. Too late. There was a time for it. Mitch blew it when he didn't move to impeach. 2024 is going to be a complete sheet show. Thereafter, there will be an opportunity to pick up the pieces but the carnage will be deep.
August 14, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, jsdarkstar said: The Maga Patform Ban Race Mixing. Seperate but Equal, in public schools. i.e. one classroom for white kids and another for black kids. black and white kids have seperate lunch times and recess times. No race mixing. Book Burning. Feel free to add your's to the list. Where have you seen this? The race splitting I've seen over the last several years has been driven by the left in the name of safe spaces and celebration of minorities.
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