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Trump and the GOP are currently inseparable.

14 minutes ago, Weaponx01 said:

Unfortunately I feel like both parties are being pulled to their extremes at this point. Conservatives are farther long at this point, but Liberals won’t be far behind.  As far as individual issues, someone above mentioned abortion. I am against the vast majority of abortions. In most cases they are to fix an "oopsie!” Don’t want inconvenient kids? Don’t have sex. Now if you asked me to look into the eyes of an abuse victim and say something similar, I wouldn’t be able to do that. Biden is Catholic, last I heard they don’t even get down with birth control. To my that is hypocritical. You cannot deny someone the ability to protect themselves and then hold them accountable when they get pregnant, or get an STD.  

This is the main part I disagree with. Democrats are far less extreme than republicans and it isn't even close. Sure they had far left whackos like Bernie and Warren running for president, but they all lost to the ultimate moderate. The far left of the democratic party are a very small minority with no real power or influence. Meanwhile the vast majority of republicans beleive in doing away with elections all together and the anyone outside of the party is part of cabal of satan worshipping pedos that only Trump has the power to stop. They're lunatics. 

Hypocritical? So in your view our law makers should pass legislation based on their religious beliefs? Really? So if we ever got a Muslim president we should all be forced to pray to Mecca 3 times a day and fast during Ramadan less the president be a "hypocrite"? Really? I for one want a separation of church and state where even if our leader has staunch religious views, they aren't forced on me. 

15 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Very good point.  Trump was a cult leader, not a president.  There's accountability for Presidents.  They slip up, they lose support.  There's no accountability for cult leaders.  They can do no wrong in the eyes of their supporters.

He leads a cult but is he really a cult leader at heart or a grifter?  I say he's a grifter.

2 hours ago, Talkingbirds said:

Had same thoughts after Trump won in 2016.  Thought of going independent, but then you can’t vote in primary.  Stayed Republican hoping my one vote could help pick some sane new blood for the party.

its the only thing keeping me in the party, but im losing faith daily. 

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

He leads a cult but is he really a cult leader at heart or a grifter?  I say he's a grifter.

It's sort of irrelevant.  Plenty of cult leaders that were only in it for the money or the poon.  But to their followers, they were infallible, which is why they never had accountability and got away with it.

8 minutes ago, Gannan said:

This is the main part I disagree with. Democrats are far less extreme than republicans and it isn't even close. Sure they had far left whackos like Bernie and Warren running for president, but they all lost to the ultimate moderate. The far left of the democratic party are a very small minority with no real power or influence. Meanwhile the vast majority of republicans beleive in doing away with elections all together and the anyone outside of the party is part of cabal of satan worshipping pedos that only Trump has the power to stop. They're lunatics.

The narrative that Biden shows the Dems are controlled by the Moderates is flawed in my opinion.  I believe that the inside leaders of the fringe left understood that they couldn't unseat Trump with a further left candidate and so they swallowed their pride and accepted Biden.  We'll find out soon enough but I think the challenge from the left flank comes in '22 to start and then in a BIG way in the lead up to '24.  I think the new guy WeaponX is right.  The Dems are going to have their day while the Repubs are already there now.

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

It's sort of irrelevant.  Plenty of cult leaders that were only in it for the money or the poon.  But to their followers, they were infallible, which is why they never had accountability and got away with it.

Yes from the effect perspective but for Trump the person there is a difference.  Plenty of cult leaders actually believe in their insane theories.  I don't think Trump actually does that.

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

The narrative that Biden shows the Dems are controlled by the Moderates is flawed in my opinion.  I believe that the inside leaders of the fringe left understood that they couldn't unseat Trump with a further left candidate and so they swallowed their pride and accepted Biden.  We'll find out soon enough but I think the challenge from the left flank comes in '22 to start and then in a BIG way in the lead up to '24.  I think the new guy WeaponX is right.  The Dems are going to have their day while the Repubs are already there now.

This argument makes no sense.  It’s circular logic.

6 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

This argument makes no sense.  It’s circular logic.

It makes sense. There is nothing circular about it Dave.

 

Whats next is they take the house in 2 years thanks to gerrymandering and obstruct

The assertion that Biden is POTUS as being evidence that the left fringe in the Dem party has no power doesn't account for the possibility that the left fringe may indeed wield significant power yet simply understood that they needed someone like Biden to beat Trump.  As I said in the earlier post, that thesis will be put to the test over the next few years.

44 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

It makes sense. There is nothing circular about it Dave.

 

Not really.  The majority of Democrats are moderates which is why Biden won the primary (and also why Hillary won in 2016)

Just look at the make-up of Congress. Most of the Dems are moderates there too.

"The Squad” is 4 or 5 people.  There’s over 200 Dems in the House.  Do the math...

 Trump speaker of the house in 2 years

2 hours ago, Gannan said:

This is the main part I disagree with. Democrats are far less extreme than republicans and it isn't even close. Sure they had far left whackos like Bernie and Warren running for president, but they all lost to the ultimate moderate. The far left of the democratic party are a very small minority with no real power or influence. Meanwhile the vast majority of republicans beleive in doing away with elections all together and the anyone outside of the party is part of cabal of satan worshipping pedos that only Trump has the power to stop. They're lunatics. 

Hypocritical? So in your view our law makers should pass legislation based on their religious beliefs? Really? So if we ever got a Muslim president we should all be forced to pray to Mecca 3 times a day and fast during Ramadan less the president be a "hypocrite"? Really? I for one want a separation of church and state where even if our leader has staunch religious views, they aren't forced on me. 

So, two things:

1) The left fringe is growing. Slower and quieter than the Trumpers, but discounting the fringe is what got us in this situation in the first place.  Biden was the perfect candidate for the Democrats. He is very moderate and a terrific draw for Republicans who were tired of the crapfest.

2) I am sorry, I should have made a new paragraph. I was referring to the Catholic Church, not the government. 

 

Lower and lower we go. 

7 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

Just look at the make-up of Congress. Most of the Dems are moderates there too.

"The Squad” is 4 or 5 people.  There’s over 200 Dems in the House.  Do the math...

Smaller groups can still wield enormous power.

In any case, I was a bit sloppy in that first post with the word "controlled”. I should have said unchallenged control. So yeah that post was less than perfect. My bad. 

5 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Smaller groups can still wield enormous power.

In any case, I was a bit sloppy in that first post with the word "controlled”. I should have said unchallenged control. So yeah that post was less than perfect. My bad. 

Did you pay attention to the Dem primaries this past summer?  The moderates were winning those races.  Which is part of the reason Biden winning the nomination wasn’t a shock.

I scoff at the assertion that candidates who keep losing political races are gaining ground. If their ideas were that popular then they would win.

17 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Did you pay attention to the Dem primaries this past summer?  The moderates were winning those races.  Which is part of the reason Biden winning the nomination wasn’t a shock.

I scoff at the assertion that candidates who keep losing political races are gaining ground. If their ideas were that popular then they would win.

Yeah sure but I also see what happens in the media and on the streets and in the universities. It can take some time to gain enough momentum to win. They’ve taken a number of seats already though didn’t do well in ‘20. More than just the squad. I get your point though. I’m saying this is a fluid situation. 

15 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

The narrative that Biden shows the Dems are controlled by the Moderates is flawed in my opinion.  I believe that the inside leaders of the fringe left understood that they couldn't unseat Trump with a further left candidate and so they swallowed their pride and accepted Biden.  We'll find out soon enough but I think the challenge from the left flank comes in '22 to start and then in a BIG way in the lead up to '24.  I think the new guy WeaponX is right.  The Dems are going to have their day while the Repubs are already there now.

When a moderate went head to head with Bernie, Bernie was thumped.

And Biden wasn't even a particularly compelling moderate.

Bernie's only chance is a plurality with a fractured field where all SocDem votes are concentrated on him. 

He was beaten by an unpopular Hillary in 2016 and a fairly milquetoast moderate in 2020. SocDems hold a handful of seats in the house and one seat in the Senate.

Trumplicans are FAR more numerous, and have far and away more support from the voters than the squad or Bernie.

21 hours ago, Weaponx01 said:

So what do I do if I’m a Christian who absolutely does not support the right wing idiocy, but won’t be able to line up with them Dems?

I'm sticking with my Republican registration for now to try and keep more crazy, but I won't hesitate to vote for a Democrat if they're clearly the more sane vote.

11 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

 

How does Cawthorn think he is paid: Special interests and lobbyists