April 10, 20241 yr 22 hours ago, Toastrel said: Woman sentenced to prison for stealing and selling Biden’s daughter’s diary Aimee Harris of Florida sold Ashley Biden’s diary to conservative group Project Veritas in actions judge called ‘despicable’ https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/09/biden-diary-project-veritas-sentenced Instead of the deplorables, the despicables is appropriate for today's GOP Wow that's terrible I wonder what the diary said.
April 10, 20241 yr 14 minutes ago, vikas83 said: But complaining that people got loans forgiven per the contract terms is completely disingenuous Splitting hairs here, but that seems to be why the community note was added in the first place, no? To use the same standard of logic from the original tweet. She used the term "canceling" in place of "forgiving" and tries to state that forgiveness for student loans doesn't exist. She's not replying/quoting anyone so we don't know what specific headline or program she might be talking about, but regardless, forgiveness for student loans does exist and apparently has since 2007.
April 10, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said: But as a point of fact, we paid for these PPP loans. And we were never paid back. The same cannot be said for the vast majority of the student loans. In fact, we made a lot of money on them. We also pay for welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. And I think all of those are terrible policy. But I can't say I have been "stiffed" on them since no one expected them to be paid back. The definition of stiff as a verb is "cheat (someone) out of something, especially money." You can't stiff someone when you were never obligated to pay them back.
April 10, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: We also pay for welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. And I think all of those are terrible policy. But I can't say I have been "stiffed" on them since no one expected them to be paid back. The definition of stiff as a verb is "cheat (someone) out of something, especially money." You can't stiff someone when you were never obligated to pay them back. Ok, we weren't stiffed. PPP loans were a hand out to welfare queens.
April 10, 20241 yr 31 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Her being stupid isn't a reason to be stupid in response. PPP loans were forgivable loans by design. Exactly, and it just isn't that hard to navigate this one unless one is trying to be difficult
April 10, 20241 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: Splitting hairs here, but that seems to be why the community note was added in the first place, no? To use the same standard of logic from the original tweet. She used the term "canceling" in place of "forgiving" and tries to state that forgiveness for student loans doesn't exist. She's not replying/quoting anyone so we don't know what specific headline or program she might be talking about, but regardless, forgiveness for student loans does exist and apparently has since 2007. The Biden administration, after their attempts at blanket forgiveness were shot down, started by forgiving loans that were under forgivable programs, most notably PSLF and some income driven repayment loans. But the much larger chunk came from the SAVE plan initiated in 2023. This let people with regular loans enroll in a new version of an Income Driven Repayment Plan and has applied to 8 million borrowers, 4.5 million of whom now pay $0. This was a new creation and not part of the original loan terms.
April 10, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Ok, we weren't stiffed. PPP loans were a hand out to welfare queens. I wasn't in favor of PPP loans - I thought the government should have simply suspended all housing payments (rent, mortgage, etc.) and let companies furlough workers. The government would have needed to make payments on mortgage backed securities to prevent economic disaster, but that would have been much better than creating a massive program with no oversight in a matter of weeks. But that's what they did. But no one was stiffed if people followed the rules and contracts in place.
April 10, 20241 yr Just now, vikas83 said: The Biden administration, after their attempts at blanket forgiveness were shot down, started by forgiving loans that were under forgivable programs, most notably PSLF and some income driven repayment loans. But the much larger chunk came from the SAVE plan initiated in 2023. This let people with regular loans enroll in a new version of an Income Driven Repayment Plan and has applied to 8 million borrowers, 4.5 million of whom now pay $0. This was a new creation and not part of the original loan terms. Sure, but again the original tweet stated "there's no such thing as (forgiving) student loans" which is clearly wrong. Though if you're arguing that a better community note would be to point out programs like PSLF first, before outing her for husband's PPP loan, then I agree.
April 10, 20241 yr Just now, vikas83 said: I wasn't in favor of PPP loans - I thought the government should have simply suspended all housing payments (rent, mortgage, etc.) and let companies furlough workers. The government would have needed to make payments on mortgage backed securities to prevent economic disaster, but that would have been much better than creating a massive program with no oversight in a matter of weeks. But that's what they did. But no one was stiffed if people followed the rules and contracts in place. I just hope they were all drug tested
April 10, 20241 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: Sure, but again the original tweet stated "there's no such thing as (forgiving) student loans" which is clearly wrong. Though if you're arguing that a better community note would be to point out programs like PSLF first, before outing her for husband's PPP loan, then I agree. My objection was a blanket linking of student loans to PPP loans, which the left does constantly (including the White House). I hate when people use disingenuous, illogical comparisons to try and make a point.
April 10, 20241 yr 32 minutes ago, vikas83 said: My objection was a blanket linking of student loans to PPP loans, which the left does constantly (including the White House). I hate when people use disingenuous, illogical comparisons to try and make a point. Fair enough.
April 10, 20241 yr Author It's disingenuous. But specious enough for politics. The stupidity visited daily on cvon, especially by the mouth breathing MAGA crowd, ensures that the political discord gets no more complicated than a 4th grader can handle.
April 10, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, vikas83 said: Her being stupid isn't a reason to be stupid in response. PPP loans were forgivable loans by design. Sorry, being an idiot should have consequences, and she deserves to be mocked. That you approve of the program has nothing to do with anything,
April 11, 20241 yr More of that GOP small government for ya House bill criminalizing common STIs, could turn thousands of Oklahomans into felons If signed into law, House Bill 3098 would criminalize the intentional or reckless spread of STIs. Violators could face between 2 to 5 years in prison. However reckless is not defined in the bill, which experts in the field say leaves an open door to potential unnecessary lawsuits and prosecutions. Because of the broad language, rather than encouraging Oklahomans to get tested, treated, and reduce the spread of STIs, House Bill 3098 could make the problem worse. Experts fear the bill would deter folks from getting tested for STIs if they fear prosecution.
April 12, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, Toastrel said: A culty cultist thinks there is a cult of Joe. Yeah Biden voters are in the cult..lol
April 12, 20241 yr Author holy crap https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/6192 https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7673 https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7645 https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7637 https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7626 https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7700
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