The fact that Mccarthy was down in FL licking Trump's shoes after the man lost the election by 7M votes tells you all you need to know. If you're hoping for a return of a conservative GOP,  you're not getting it. That's the party of Trump, period. It's never coming back. 

On 1/29/2021 at 6:42 PM, Gannan said:

Wow, it would absolutely be the case. Elections are invalid if republicans don't win. They've made that abundantly clear. You're seeing what you want to see, and trying to find hope where there is none. 

Less than half voted to object to the vote. The number that did object is ridiculous and reprehensible but it isn’t abundantly clear that they all want to get rid of elections. Did the GA Gov try to throw out the ejection?
 

If you just went with the straight bottom line vote the majority of the GOP in Congress voted to certify. Not good enough by a long shot. They should be condemning and impeaching those that voted to object. 

2 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Did the GA Gov try to throw out the ejection?

No, and for that they're trying to run him out of the party.  In a few more years those normies will all be gone. 

24 minutes ago, Gannan said:

No, and for that they're trying to run him out of the party.  In a few more years those normies will all be gone. 

Maybe.  Let's keep our eye on it and see what happens.  It is not a foregone conclusion at this stage.

What is absolutely abundantly clear is that there is a large and significant part of the Republican party that has gone full blown crazy and fascist and that they own the Orange man at the top and he owns them in return.  He's run them for four years and aims to continue unabated.  You are 1000% correct on that point.

By 2024 the party will be unrecognizable.

 

43 minutes ago, L.E said:

By 2024 the party will be unrecognizable.

 

Dr. Philly is the only person who thinks it can be salvaged.

2 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

Dr. Philly is the only person who thinks it can be salvaged.

Actually I called for it to be split. 

On 1/29/2021 at 9:04 AM, Gannan said:

"Far Right" which is now the mainstream of the republican party = eliminating elections, changing the position of the presidency so the length of term is unlimited and for life, imprisoning or executing opposition leaders

I don't want this misinterpreted and get attacked for 4 pages since I don't support the Republican party.  But question on these specific ideas. DrPhilly asked you about it and you replied about the elections, that overturning elections afterward is essentially the same thing which I get where you're coming from on that. 

But do the majority actually want to overturn elections anytime they lose, or were they just upset thinking there was fraud (because Trump planted those seeds long before the election and they were believing lies and conspiracy theories).  I get that it opens the door for claiming fraud every election.  But the courts shot down the lawsuits, and despite people thinking Trump's SCOTUS picks would overturn the election for him, that didn't happen.  I've seen people who were raising concerns about the perceived fraud quiet down and realize that they took their chance and now accept the election was legitimate.  

Now on the other points you listed here but didn't address in your response to DrPhilly:   mainstream Republicans or the majority of Republicans want to change the POTUS term to unlimited for life?  

And majority of Republicans want to imprison or execute opposition leaders?

Please elaborate.

9 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I don't want this misinterpreted and get attacked for 4 pages since I don't support the Republican party.  But question on these specific ideas. DrPhilly asked you about it and you replied about the elections, that overturning elections afterward is essentially the same thing which I get where you're coming from on that. 

But do the majority actually want to overturn elections anytime they lose, or were they just upset thinking there was fraud (because Trump planted those seeds long before the election and they were believing lies and conspiracy theories).  I get that it opens the door for claiming fraud every election.  But the courts shot down the lawsuits, and despite people thinking Trump's SCOTUS picks would overturn the election for him, that didn't happen.  I've seen people who were raising concerns about the perceived fraud quiet down and realize that they took their chance and now accept the election was legitimate.  

Now on the other points you listed here but didn't address in your response to DrPhilly:   mainstream Republicans or the majority of Republicans want to change the POTUS term to unlimited for life?  

And majority of Republicans want to imprison or execute opposition leaders?

Please elaborate.

The problem with this is that Trump remains extremely popular in the Republican Party, despite trying to tear up the constitution and overturn a free and fair election AND leading a mob that stormed the Capital.  If Republicans were against a POTUS (that they like) holding the office for life, they would've turned on him.  But they haven't.  So, while I'm sure most people in the Republican Party at this point have accepted that Trump lost, if they're still supporting the guy who was behind all that, then obviously the only thing they disapprove of here is that Trump's coup attempt failed.

23 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I don't want this misinterpreted and get attacked for 4 pages since I don't support the Republican party.  But question on these specific ideas. DrPhilly asked you about it and you replied about the elections, that overturning elections afterward is essentially the same thing which I get where you're coming from on that. 

But do the majority actually want to overturn elections anytime they lose, or were they just upset thinking there was fraud (because Trump planted those seeds long before the election and they were believing lies and conspiracy theories).  I get that it opens the door for claiming fraud every election.  But the courts shot down the lawsuits, and despite people thinking Trump's SCOTUS picks would overturn the election for him, that didn't happen.  I've seen people who were raising concerns about the perceived fraud quiet down and realize that they took their chance and now accept the election was legitimate.  

Now on the other points you listed here but didn't address in your response to DrPhilly:   mainstream Republicans or the majority of Republicans want to change the POTUS term to unlimited for life?  

And majority of Republicans want to imprison or execute opposition leaders?

Please elaborate.

Trump had long talked about running for 3rd, 4th, and 5th terms. He was supported by the republican party on this. The republican party even cancelled primary elections in most states because according to the head of the gop "our job is not to hold elections, it's to make sure Trump remains president". Dr.'s counter point was  basically, sure the republican party wants to overturn democracy and elections right now, but once they install Trump back into power, they probably wouldn't do it again. Weak sauce. 

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And majority of Republicans want to imprison or execute opposition leaders?

They certainly think those who want to execute democrats are to be admired. Green was very specific about her desire to have democratic leaders executed. She was rewarded for this by getting a prime committee membership. When you think about it, this is a natural evolution for the party. Trump's platform was to imprison democratic leaders. It was only a matter of time until that evolved into execute democratic leaders.

When Liz Cheney said we shouldn't condone the violent overthrow of our government she was rewarded by being pushed out of the party. So the official republican stance on violence to achieve their political means could not be more clear. 

I don't know what threads to put stuff in anymore

 

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

I don't know what threads to put stuff in anymore

 

If Trump decides not to run, she will be the nominee in 2024. If Trump does decide to run she will be his running mate. I'm changing my Richard Spencer prediction. She is just as racist as he is but she also brings in the Q anon crazies and has a larger platform. 

28 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Dr.'s counter point was  basically, sure the republican party wants to overturn democracy and elections right now, but once they install Trump back into power, they probably wouldn't do it again. Weak sauce. 

That wasn't my argument at all.  That's just how you wanted to see my argument.

1 hour ago, VanHammersly said:

The problem with this is that Trump remains extremely popular in the Republican Party, despite trying to tear up the constitution and overturn a free and fair election AND leading a mob that stormed the Capital.  If Republicans were against a POTUS (that they like) holding the office for life, they would've turned on him.  But they haven't.  So, while I'm sure most people in the Republican Party at this point have accepted that Trump lost, if they're still supporting the guy who was behind all that, then obviously the only thing they disapprove of here is that Trump's coup attempt failed.

Right, they're in the Trump cult.  But would they never accept election outcomes and always want to overturn election results?  Let's say in 2024 for argument sake, a more traditional GOP candidate ran and lost to the Democrat.  Would they want to overturn?  Is this just how the GOP will be from now on?  Or is it a Trump thing that will pass?  I guess we won't know until then for sure.

48 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Trump had long talked about running for 3rd, 4th, and 5th terms. He was supported by the republican party on this. The republican party even cancelled primary elections in most states because according to the head of the gop "our job is not to hold elections, it's to make sure Trump remains president". Dr.'s counter point was  basically, sure the republican party wants to overturn democracy and elections right now, but once they install Trump back into power, they probably wouldn't do it again. Weak sauce. 

They certainly think those who want to execute democrats are to be admired. Green was very specific about her desire to have democratic leaders executed. She was rewarded for this by getting a prime committee membership. When you think about it, this is a natural evolution for the party. Trump's platform was to imprison democratic leaders. It was only a matter of time until that evolved into execute democratic leaders.

When Liz Cheney said we shouldn't condone the violent overthrow of our government she was rewarded by being pushed out of the party. So the official republican stance on violence to achieve their political means could not be more clear. 

Thanks, those are some examples that help show what you meant.  

I don't but that the majority of Republican voters agree to executing the opposition or ending POTUS term limits but ok.

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Thanks, those are some examples that help show what you meant.  

I don't but that the majority of Republican voters agree to executing the opposition or ending POTUS term limits but ok.

They're overwhelming supportive of those who suggest it. How many republicans said anything in opposition to Trump saying he would run for a 3rd, 4th, and 5th term? That's what Trump did for his entire presidency. He would float things out there, then when no one opposed him he knew he was clear to move forward with it. 

2 minutes ago, Gannan said:

They're overwhelming supportive of those who suggest it. How many republicans said anything in opposition to Trump saying he would run for a 3rd, 4th, and 5th term? That's what Trump did for his entire presidency. He would float things out there, then when no one opposed him he knew he was clear to move forward with it. 

Ok.

23 minutes ago, Gannan said:

They're overwhelming supportive of those who suggest it. How many republicans said anything in opposition to Trump saying he would run for a 3rd, 4th, and 5th term? That's what Trump did for his entire presidency. He would float things out there, then when no one opposed him he knew he was clear to move forward with it. 

Trump floated lots of stuff out there and the Repubs were so hungry to keep their power that they didn't reel him in on them.  That was the fatal mistake that they made.  However, it didn't and doesn't mean they agreed with all of those things.

Are there any polls that show Republican voters / party members / Congressman agree with the removal of terms limits for POTUS?

Who needs Flag Day anyway? 

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

 Let's say in 2024 for argument sake, a more traditional GOP candidate ran and lost to the Democrat. .

That's the entire point. That would never happen. "Traditional gop candidates" are done. They need to switch to democrat or start their own party.

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

Trump floated lots of stuff out there and the Repubs were so hungry to keep their power that they didn't reel him in on them.  That was the fatal mistake that they made.  However, it didn't and doesn't mean they agreed with all of those things.

Are there any polls that show Republican voters / party members / Congressman agree with the removal of terms limits for POTUS?

There was one about most agreeing that Trump should run for a 3rd term. I think it was somewhere around 87% of republicans thought Trump should be eligible for a 3rd term. 

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

Thanks, those are some examples that help show what you meant.  

I don't but that the majority of Republican voters agree to executing the opposition or ending POTUS term limits but ok.

 

Just now, Gannan said:

There was one about most agreeing that Trump should run for a 3rd term. I think it was somewhere around 87% of republicans thought Trump should be eligible for a 3rd term. 

Yeah most Trumpers thought he was going to be president through 2028 and were fine with it.

3 minutes ago, Gannan said:

There was one about most agreeing that Trump should run for a 3rd term. I think it was somewhere around 87% of republicans thought Trump should be eligible for a 3rd term. 

I’ll see if I can find that one. 

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

Ok.

I should also point out that Mike Lee floated out there that democracy was a bad thing. No republicans came out and disagreed with him either. 

 

I think that sums up the republican position pretty well. They want to prevent wars, make money and remain in power. 

4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

I’ll see if I can find that one. 

I'm a nerd, so I already started digging around. So far only found this:

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A series of polls by YouGov of more than 8,000 Americans found that a majority of Democrats (66%) and Independents (59%) would strongly oppose allowing presidents to run for a third-term, while fewer than half of Republicans (45%) express the same level of opposition. About one in five (19%) Americans would be strongly or somewhat in favor of the change. 

https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/09/18/third-presidential-term-poll