24 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Oh well. Trump "tried" and they said no.

There you go. That's a better argument. Trump has no power and can't strike a deal.

Just now, DrPhilly said:

There you go. That's a better argument. Trump has no power and can't strike a deal.

Trump doesn't want to strike a deal and can't be forced to.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Not going to argue that. But that's different from defying a SCOTUS ruling.

Eh. It's more like using a loophole because of the wording

Trump is trying to push as far as he can go

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Eh. It's more like using a loophole because of the wording

Trump is trying to push as far as he can go

Which gives him the ability to do what he is doing because it wasn't clear cut. Again, it's going to be argued more in court, but if someone asks how I feel that he is clearly disobeying SCOTUS I'm going to disagree.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

Which gives him the ability to do what he is doing because it wasn't clear cut.

Doesn't make what he's doing right. Maga will consider it a win. Letting an innocent man get illegally taken and sent to a prison in El Salvador

46 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Yep. Facilitate his release form custody meaning out of the prison there. They didn't say return him to the US. The headlines were BS spin and this will be debated and argued in court.

"facilitate the return to the US"

If you want to argue the word "facilitate" then go for it but everyone and his brother knows what the courts mean. Trump's actions are making it clear that Trump has no power and can't strike a deal. We can go with that.

The Trump WH has mistakenly sent a man to a gulag where that man will very likely be tortured and die and the Trump WH is powerless and incapable of striking a deal to get him back.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Doesn't make what he's doing right. Maga will consider it a win. Letting an innocent man get illegally taken and sent to a prison in El Salvador

Morally right and wrong is different than defying SCOTUS. If someone asked what I feel on a personal level for the person....I feel bad. Sounds like he was here illegally and some murky stuff happened but I guess he got lumped in with the gang and tossed. Hopefully, he gets released from prison there, but he was here illegally until DHS gave him status. He chose to come here and break the law, so it doesn't mean he should be in a prison there but don't come here illegally at the same time and maybe crap won't happen.

Just now, DrPhilly said:

"facilitate the return to the US"

If you want to argue the word "facilitate" then go for it but everyone and his brother knows what the courts mean. Trump's actions are making it clear that Trump has no power and can't strike a deal. We can go with that.

The Trump WH has mistakenly sent a man to a gulag where that man will very likely be tortured and die and the Trump WH is powerless and incapable of striking a deal to get him back.

Facilitate his release is what it says. SCOTUS also knows they can't order another country to return someone. Trump doesn't want to. SCOTUS can't make him. That's it. They aren't defying the ruling. If you want to argue they are horrible then go for it, but you asked me a question and it wasn't correct.

9 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Trump doesn't want to strike a deal and can't be forced to.

Well, actually the SCOTUS just ruled that Trump must indeed do everything he can to strike a deal. Apparently Trump is weak and doesn't know how to strike deals with foreign nations, who knew? Guess that works in his favor this time.

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

Well, actually the SCOTUS just ruled that Trump must indeed do everything he can to strike a deal. Apparently Trump is weak and doesn't know how to strike deals with foreign nations, who knew? Guess that works in his favor this time.

Good luck enforcing that. We just saw it play out on TV. It's done and SCOTUS can't do crap unless Roberts wants to enforce it to quote Jackson. I haven't seen any rulings in the last 30 minutes, though.

you people are giving me vertigo

7 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Morally right and wrong is different than defying SCOTUS. If someone asked what I feel on a personal level for the person....I feel bad. Sounds like he was here illegally and some murky stuff happened but I guess he got lumped in with the gang and tossed. Hopefully, he gets released from prison there, but he was here illegally until DHS gave him status. He chose to come here and break the law, so it doesn't mean he should be in a prison there but don't come here illegally at the same time and maybe crap won't happen.

He wasn't. That was maga lies. For someone that was literally just talking about liberal lies in the media... you sure ate up that one

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

He wasn't. That was maga lies. For someone that was literally just talking about liberal lies in the media... you sure ate up that one

Are you talking about DHS giving him status? I'm talking about before that he came here illegally or they wouldn't have needed to grant him status.

5 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Good luck enforcing that. We just saw it play out on TV. It's done and SCOTUS can't do crap unless Roberts wants to enforce it to quote Jackson.

There are plenty of things that can be done starting with WH officers and lawyers being held in contempt. Garcia may never be given an due process let alone be released or returned to the US but that doesn't mean this one is going away.

As usual, Trump said one thing one day (a lie) and then another thing the next day. The bottom line is that the Trump WH isn't doing anything to facilitate a release or the due process SCOTUS has required for Garcia.

6 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Sounds like he was here illegally

Abrego Garcia was granted "Withholding of removal" status and a work permit. Those those granted withholding of removal are allowed to remain and work lawfully in the U.S. indefinitely.
Courts in 2019 determined he would face persecution if deported.

14 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Facilitate his release is what it says. SCOTUS also knows they can't order another country to return someone. Trump doesn't want to. SCOTUS can't make him. That's it. They aren't defying the ruling. If you want to argue they are horrible then go for it, but you asked me a question and it wasn't correct.

"Facilitate his release" is not all the SCOTUS ruling says. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf

The order properly requires the Government to "facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador.

Further,

For its part, the Government should be prepared to share what it can concerning the steps it has taken and the prospect of further steps.

The Trump Administration cannot simply state "we tried" and quit. That would be in defiance of SCOTUS ruling.

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

There are plenty of things that can be done starting with WH officers and lawyers being held in contempt. Garcia may never be given an due process let alone be released or returned to the US but that doesn't mean this one is going away.

As usual, Trump said one thing one day (a lie) and then another thing the next day. The bottom line is that the Trump WH isn't doing anything to facilitate a release or the due process SCOTUS has required for Garcia.

1 minute ago, toolg said:

Abrego Garcia was granted "Withholding of removal" status and a work permit. Those those granted withholding of removal are allowed to remain and work lawfully in the U.S. indefinitely.
Courts in 2019 determined he would face persecution if deported.

Yeah, he came into the country illegally. Don't do that and maybe it doesn't end up here. Cry me a river with the persecution if deported BS. Everyone can play that card. Don't come into a country illegally in the first place.

And good luck with that Doc. SCOTUS was vague for a reason. Honestly, you all spend more time talking about Garcia then you do all the US victims perpetrated by illegals.

1 minute ago, toolg said:

"Facilitate his release" is not all the SCOTUS ruling says. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf

Further,

The Trump Administration cannot simply state "we tried" and quit. That would be in defiance of SCOTUS ruling.

LOL prove it in court. And yeah it says more, but it says facilitate his release not return him to the US in that same line for a reason.

5 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

LOL prove it in court. And yeah it says more, but it says facilitate his release not return him to the US in that same line for a reason.

Ok. To be continued. Stay tuned.

Just now, toolg said:

Ok. To be continued. Stay tuned.

Cool, which is why I said it will be argued more in court. I'll wait by to watch for SCOTUS to order the executive branch on matters of foreign affairs, though. That's a huge overstep and they know it, which is why they didn't try to order him in that same sentence and said facilitate his release. It's not enforceable either, which they also know.

He would be back in the US but if I had to guess he is already dead.

Yeah it looks like he was sent there by mistake, was killed in prison, and now the administration is just doubling down saying they meant to send him there. He won't be heard from again. Dude was basically killed for wearing a Chicago Bulls hat.

Mediaite

‘The Homegrowns Are Next’: Trump Promises to Send America...

"The homegrowns are next." President Trump told the El Salvador president he needs "five more" prisons to house American criminals to be deported.

Oh wow. The article embeds now. Cool lol

Cut out the middleman twitter that keeps Fing up

I guess the moral of the story is don't sneak into the country, commit crimes and blow off court dates, and have credible ties to one of the world's most violent gangs and you won't get deported to an El Salvadorian prison.

Makes sense. From what I’ve read these El Salvador prisons are about 30% cheaper than American prisons.

Good move all around — cheaper and a greater fear inspiring deterrent.