2 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

it's amazing how they can literally just tell bald-faced lies and his supporters just eat it up....

Whoopsie (teehee!)

2 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Quote the passages that says return him to the US. It says facilitate his release. It also gives Trump wiggle room as TNT said. Oh, we tried....too bad.

Some points from the supreme court opinion, which you clearly didn't read:

"The United States acknowledges that Abrego Garcia was subject to a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador, and that the removal to El Salvador was therefore illegal"

So, the government BROKE THE LAW when they sent him to El Salvador.

"The rest of the District Court’s order remains in effect but requires clarification on remand. The order properly requires the Government to "facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador"

So, how would his case be handled had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador? He would have had a hearing HERE IN THE US. So, in order for him to have his deportation case heard in the US, he'd have to be brought back to the US, wouldn't he? Furthermore, Garcia had a protective order prohibiting his removal to El Salvador. So, in order to deport him, the government would have to challenge that existing protective order to have it removed.

"Moreover, it has been the Government’s own well-established policy to "facilitate [an] alien’s return to the United States if . . . the alien’s presence is necessary for continued administrative removal proceedings” in cases where a noncitizen has been removed pending immigration proceedings. See U. S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Directive 11061.1, Facilitating the Return to the United States of Certain Lawfully Removed Aliens, §2 (Feb. 24, 2012)."

So yes, the Supreme Court is saying that the US government must bring him back to the United States and handle the case as it would have had he not been ILEGALLY sent to El Salvador in the first place.

42 minutes ago, Kz! said:

I guess the moral of the story is don't sneak into the country, commit crimes and blow off court dates, and have credible ties to one of the world's most violent gangs and you won't get deported to an El Salvadorian prison.

What crime was he convicted of? Was it a bad one? Is that why he's in the El Salvador prison?

1 minute ago, Gannan said:

What crime was he convicted of? Was it a bad one? Is that why he's in the El Salvador prison?

Don't care:

don't sneak into the country, commit crimes and blow off court dates, and have credible ties to one of the world's most violent gangs and you won't get deported to an El Salvadorian prison.

43 minutes ago, Kz! said:

I guess the moral of the story is don't sneak into the country, commit crimes and blow off court dates, and have credible ties to one of the world's most violent gangs and you won't get deported to an El Salvadorian prison.

Garcia never committed a crime while in this country nor blew off court dates. He was given protective status in 2019 when Trump was president previously.

It's pretty simple actually KZAnne. The constitution exists, and so does due process. The government cannot up and decide to send someone to prison, let alone a prison in another country, without due process.

But I can understand how a big government partisan cuck like yourself would be celebrating dear leader trampling all over the constitution.

11 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Whoopsie (teehee!)

This is the most accurate concise description of American immigration politics I have ever read.

7 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Yeah it looks like he was sent there by mistake, was killed in prison, and now the administration is just doubling down saying they meant to send him there. He won't be heard from again. Dude was basically killed for wearing a Chicago Bulls hat.

9 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Some points from the supreme court opinion, which you clearly didn't read:

"The United States acknowledges that Abrego Garcia was subject to a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador, and that the removal to El Salvador was therefore illegal"

So, the government BROKE THE LAW when they sent him to El Salvador.

"The rest of the District Court’s order remains in effect but requires clarification on remand. The order properly requires the Government to "facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador"

So, how would his case be handled had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador? He would have had a hearing HERE IN THE US. So, in order for him to have his deportation case heard in the US, he'd have to be brought back to the US, wouldn't he? Furthermore, Garcia had a protective order prohibiting his removal to El Salvador. So, in order to deport him, the government would have to challenge that existing protective order to have it removed.

"Moreover, it has been the Government’s own well-established policy to "facilitate [an] alien’s return to the United States if . . . the alien’s presence is necessary for continued administrative removal proceedings” in cases where a noncitizen has been removed pending immigration proceedings. See U. S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Directive 11061.1, Facilitating the Return to the United States of Certain Lawfully Removed Aliens, §2 (Feb. 24, 2012)."

So yes, the Supreme Court is saying that the US government must bring him back to the United States and handle the case as it would have had he not been ILEGALLY sent to El Salvador in the first place.

Which has nothing to do with them ordering him to return him to the US, which they did not do.

4 minutes ago, Gannan said:

What crime was he convicted of? Was it a bad one? Is that why he's in the El Salvador prison?

you'll have to forgive KZAnne, she's still trying to get her head out of Trump's a s s.

He was not convicted of any crimes, let alone even charged with a crime, while he's been in this country. He was given a protective order in 2019 when Trump was previously president.

But he was detained one time because he was wearing a Chicago Bulls hat while standing outside a Home Depot, so therefore we can assume he's a scary latino gang member.

3 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Garcia never committed a crime while in this country nor blew off court dates. He was given protective status in 2019 when Trump was president previously.

It's pretty simple actually KZAnne. The constitution exists, and so does due process. The government cannot up and decide to send someone to prison, let alone a prison in another country, without due process.

But I can understand how a big government partisan cuck like yourself would be celebrating dear leader trampling all over the constitution.

He committed a crime the moment he came here illegally, so spin the wheel again. Your due process can go to hell. 20-30 million illegals do not get court hearings or we'll be doing it for decades, which is what the Dems want. They are going to be and they should be thrown the hell out as soon as we find them. There is no world where we have a system in place to grant them all hearings and then appeals. So....out on their ass they go as they should.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Which has nothing to do with them ordering him to return him to the US, which they did not do.

I mean, can you not read?

"The order properly requires the Government to "facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador."

How would his case be handled had he not ben improperly sent to El Salvador? Go ahead, it's ok, you can say the answer we all know it.

2 hours ago, The Norseman said:

Been travelling the last few weeks and haven't really been following. From what you posted though it appears that he is trying to interpret the SCOTUS language to fit his desired outcome. Not sure how that is supposed to work at this point. I think SCOTUS agreed that he could use the executive to deport via the AEA though, right? If true, then why would the judiciary be able to dictate the terms of those deportations?

They did not agree that is invoking AEA was Constitutional (that hasn't been reviewed) but yes they did say under AEA he can decide to deport people. However, they also said those people still needed to be afforded the right to habeus and due process. Finally, in the specific case of Garcia, they required the WH to both facilitate the release of Garcia and also to ensure Garcia is given the same level of due process he would have received had he not been deported by mistake.

Lots of nuance still to go in this one but one thing is for sure and that is that the Trump WH is not doing anything to facilitate the release of Garcia or provide him with any due process as they are now required to do by the SCOTUS ruling.

Just now, Phillyterp85 said:

I mean, can you not read?

"The order properly requires the Government to "facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador."

How would his case be handled had he not ben improperly sent to El Salvador? Go ahead, it's ok, you can say the answer we all know it.

You can bold it as much as you want. Saying you made a mistake isn't saying bring him back right now. Their words were posted on the previous page. This is you grasping. But hey...let Roberts go enforce it, buddy ;)

Just now, Phillyterp85 said:

I mean, can you not read?

"The order properly requires the Government to "facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador."

How would his case be handled had he not ben improperly sent to El Salvador? Go ahead, it's ok, you can say the answer we all know it.

I don’t agree with the childish way MAGA is interpreting this ruling, but I knew when I read it that they would play this card.

2 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Honestly, I don't want them getting due process. They skipped the due process to enter the US illegally and now want to hide behind due process to keep them here illegally. There are 20-30 million illegals here. If every single one of them got a court hearing before being deported it would take decades, which is what the Dems want. Nope, they need to be tossed out on their ass ASAP. No more games. Too bad. As for the ones Biden flew in if a president can order them flown in one can order them flown back out.

That's ass backwards. The due process is specifically necessary to determine their illegality and the right of the govt to deport them.

2 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

F their due process

4 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Garcia never committed a crime while in this country nor blew off court dates. He was given protective status in 2019 when Trump was president previously.

It's pretty simple actually KZAnne. The constitution exists, and so does due process. The government cannot up and decide to send someone to prison, let alone a prison in another country, without due process.

But I can understand how a big government partisan cuck like yourself would be celebrating dear leader trampling all over the constitution.

Don't care. Biden and the dems illegally flooded the country with infinity "migrants" for years, sometimes flying them around the country on the taxpayer dime. Now a president has been democratically elected to clean that mess up. If issues arise over the sheer magnitude of the problem and someone doesn't get their 487 appeals and 25 years in the judicial process, too bad. He should have tried not sneaking into the country illegally. As for you, you're welcome to cry more.

Just now, DrPhilly said:

That's ass backwards. The due process is specifically necessary to determine their illegality and the right of the govt to deport them.

F em. That isn't possible. 20-30 million hearings times multiple appeals. Nope. They ignored due process coming here we should ignore it tossing them back out.

Just now, Kz! said:

Don't care. Biden and the dems illegally flooded the country with infinity "migrants" for years, sometimes flying them around the country on the taxpayer dime. Now a president has been democratically elected to clean that mess up. If issues arise over the sheer magnitude of the problem and someone doesn't get their 487 appeals and 25 years in the judicial process, too bad. He should have tried not sneaking into the country illegally. As for you, you're welcome to cry more.

We are bringing them here illegally and letting them sneak in illegally, but no take backs, OK!!!

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

F their due process

SCOTUS disagrees.

Also, if "they” don’t have due process, none of us do.

11 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Some points from the supreme court opinion, which you clearly didn't read:

"The United States acknowledges that Abrego Garcia was subject to a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador, and that the removal to El Salvador was therefore illegal"

So, the government BROKE THE LAW when they sent him to El Salvador.

"The rest of the District Court’s order remains in effect but requires clarification on remand. The order properly requires the Government to "facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador"

So, how would his case be handled had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador? He would have had a hearing HERE IN THE US. So, in order for him to have his deportation case heard in the US, he'd have to be brought back to the US, wouldn't he? Furthermore, Garcia had a protective order prohibiting his removal to El Salvador. So, in order to deport him, the government would have to challenge that existing protective order to have it removed.

"Moreover, it has been the Government’s own well-established policy to "facilitate [an] alien’s return to the United States if . . . the alien’s presence is necessary for continued administrative removal proceedings” in cases where a noncitizen has been removed pending immigration proceedings. See U. S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Directive 11061.1, Facilitating the Return to the United States of Certain Lawfully Removed Aliens, §2 (Feb. 24, 2012)."

So yes, the Supreme Court is saying that the US government must bring him back to the United States and handle the case as it would have had he not been ILEGALLY sent to El Salvador in the first place.

This would all be well and good if one political party hadn’t made it their multi-generational mission to flood the country with tens of millions of illegal immigrants.

Had they not done this, then the moral, ethical and legal high ground would hold massive sway in public opinion.

As it happens, everyone understands the games being played, and the public just don’t give a F anymore about legal technicalities. Is that a good thing? No. Is it pragmatic? Yes. And that’s the issue here. The public now views the legal system as illegitimate because of how it is exploited against the public’s interest.

This is what happens when one party clearly and methodically acts in bad faith against the American people, and the other party has a guy willing to give them the middle finger and a taste of their own medicine.

This perspective is now the majority:

6 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

He committed a crime the moment he came here illegally, so spin the wheel again. Your due process can go to hell. 20-30 million illegals do not get court hearings or we'll be doing it for decades, which is what the Dems want. They are going to be and they should be thrown the hell out as soon as we find them. There is no world where we have a system in place to grant them all hearings and then appeals. So....out on their ass they go as they should.

58 minutes ago, TEW said:

Makes sense. From what I’ve read these El Salvador prisons are about 30% cheaper than American prisons.

Good move all around — cheaper and a greater fear inspiring deterrent.

Certainly not an option since Trump can't get people back in the event there was a mistake.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

He committed a crime the moment he came here illegally, so spin the wheel again. Your due process can go to hell. 20-30 million illegals do not get court hearings or we'll be doing it for decades, which is what the Dems want. They are going to be and they should be thrown the hell out as soon as we find them. There is no world where we have a system in place to grant them all hearings and then appeals. So....out on their ass they go as they should.

LOLOLOLOL I don't want to ever ever see you talk about defense of the constitution again. The next time some big government liberal wants to take people's guns away after a school shooting, I don't want to hear you talk about the 2nd or 4th amendments. They could use the same hairbrained logic "your due process can go to hell when we have hundreds of school shootings a year and thousands upon thousands of people getting shot every year".

He was given a protective order in 2019.

"They are going to be and they should be thrown the hell out as soon as we find them"

Sorry, all 9 justices of the supreme court disagree with you (you know, the thing you just claimed you'd respect the opinion of). Someone facing a deportation is afforded due process. In many cases it's pretty quick if they in fact here illegally and have no proof to support their claim that they are here legally.

In this case, this man had a protective order, granted to him in 2019 when Trump was last president. (I mean wow he's such a bad guy why didn't Trump deport him back in 2019?). Had due process been followed like it should have, then this mistake wouldn't have been made in the first place.

Just now, DrPhilly said:

Certainly not an option since Trump can't get people back in the event there was a mistake.