11 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Which has nothing to do with them ordering him to return him to the US, which they did not do.

If the only way the govt can comply with the SCOTUS ruling is to bring Garcia back then that's what they will have to do whether or not SCOTUS specifically says they have to bring Garcia back or not.

8 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

You can bold it as much as you want. Saying you made a mistake isn't saying bring him back right now.

Why can't you answer that simple question? How would his case have been handled had he not been sent to El Salvador?

You know the answer. The answer is he would have had a deportation hearing IN THE UNITED STATES. So yes diehard, the Supreme Court IS telling the Trump admin that he must be brought back so that his case can be handled AS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED HAD HE NOT BEEN SENT TO EL SALVADOR.

I would consider someone illegal for yes, coming in undocumented and making no attempt to get yourself into the system. Even if this guy crossed over illegally, he obviously DID register himself into the system. But no, the cucks say no. Get out. To hell with wherever you were in the process. Stupid take if you ask me. Had he not taken any steps to become legal, THEN I would agree. Not this time

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

Even you believe in justice and due process at least for American citizens.

9 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Don't care. Biden and the dems illegally flooded the country with infinity "migrants" for years, sometimes flying them around the country on the taxpayer dime. Now a president has been democratically elected to clean that mess up. If issues arise over the sheer magnitude of the problem and someone doesn't get their 487 appeals and 25 years in the judicial process, too bad. He should have tried not sneaking into the country illegally. As for you, you're welcome to cry more.

LOL "It's ok to blatantly violate the constitution if the previous president caused a problem"

Awesome logic that totally won't lead to a slippery slope of further violations of the constitution....

7 minutes ago, TEW said:

This would all be well and good if one political party hadn’t made it their multi-generational mission to flood the country with tens of millions of illegal immigrants.

Had they not done this, then the moral, ethical and legal high ground would hold massive sway in public opinion.

As it happens, everyone understands the games being played, and the public just don’t give a F anymore about legal technicalities. Is that a good thing? No. Is it pragmatic? Yes. And that’s the issue here. The public now views the legal system as illegitimate because of how it is exploited against the public’s interest.

This is what happens when one party clearly and methodically acts in bad faith against the American people, and the other party has a guy willing to give them the middle finger and a taste of their own medicine.

This perspective is now the majority:

lol Add another to the "it's ok to violate the constitution and break the law so long as I like the results" column.

8 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

SCOTUS disagrees.

Also, if "they” don’t have due process, none of us do.

Remember when libtards laughed about non-violent J6 defendants being held for years in jail without a trial?

Just now, Phillyterp85 said:

lol Add another to the "it's ok to violate the constitution and break the law so long as I like the results" column.

lol Add another to the "it's OK they imported 10 million illegals into the country over four years against the will of the people but don't you dare try to deport them" column.

10 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

SCOTUS disagrees.

Also, if "they” don’t have due process, none of us do.

SCOTUS can enforce it to quote Jackson. And that's BS. Due process is a BS excuse being used to keep them here. You and the Dems had no problem when they illegally brought them here or allowed them to cross and it was basically there is nothing you can do about it. So tough crap. There is nothing you can do about them being tossed outside crying on a forum.

Just now, Kz! said:

Remember when libtards laughed about non-violent J6 defendants being held for years in jail without a trial?

Care to back this claim up with actual facts?

1 minute ago, Kz! said:

lol Add another to the "it's OK they imported 10 million illegals into the country over four years against the will of the people but don't you dare try to deport them" column.

Exactly.

Just now, Kz! said:

lol Add another to the "it's OK they imported 10 million illegals into the country over four years against the will of the people but don't you dare try to deport them" column.

Actually no, I never said that this was ok. I actually have said multiple times that what Biden did was allow and encourage an abuse of the asylum system, and it was terrible policy. Nor have I said "don't dare try to deport them".

But I get it, when you lack the competency to engage in an actual discussion, you have to resort to lies.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Exactly.

Except I've never said that nor even implied such things.

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Even you believe in justice and due process at least for American citizens.

I do, for American citizens. My comments are about public sentiment and the fact that El Salvador’s ability to override the US legal system in order to prevent the return of illegals to the US is a purposeful feature, not some coincidence that will prevent its future utilization.

The idea here is that everyone knows that the next time Democrats get power they are going to flood the United States with millions of illegals yet again, and will surely demand those in El Salvador be returned to the US so that they too can be released into the American public by the democrats. Basic anarcho-tyranny.

By sending them to El Salvador, it prevents the democrats from bringing them back, which is good for the American public, popular with its people and a pragmatic "technical” solution to Democrat’s malicious "technical” attacks on American sovereignty. You combine that with the GOP’s willingness to put these policies back in place the next time they get power, and the incentive structure for illegal immigration has radically shifted.

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

SCOTUS can enforce it to quote Jackson

That's the moment of Constitutional crisis that we've been worrying might happen. Of course, you don't care about the Constitution. I suspect you never did though you've surely said you did on occasion.

Just now, TEW said:

I do, for American citizens.

We were discussing the possibility that Trump would send Americans to El Salvador to be put in prison which you liked as it would be cheaper to house them there. Trump has clearly made that a non start since, by his own accord, he cannot retrieve individuals who the govt has erroneously sent to prison in El Salvador.

4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

That's the moment of Constitutional crisis when we've been worrying might happen. Of course, you don't care about the Constitution. I suspect you never did though you've surely said you did on occasion.

Well, then I guess it needs to come to a head because we've had one for years. The door doesn't just go one way where Dems are allowed to cause this crisis by ignoring laws and then say no take backs! Libs love to use cute words like "illegal migrants" so I'll use one "illegal invaders". They need to be gone and it's not practical to have 20-30 million hearings and 60-90 million appeals.

Today I learned that the "CVON Constitutionalists" believe that the president is allowed to blatantly violate the constitution so long as there is a major problem they are trying to fix.

Good to know for the future the next time a Democrat president tries to do the same thing....

6 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Actually no, I never said that this was ok. I actually have said multiple times that what Biden did was allow and encourage an abuse of the asylum system, and it was terrible policy. Nor have I said "don't dare try to deport them".

But I get it, when you lack the competency to engage in an actual discussion, you have to resort to lies.

Yeah, I remember you in this very thread complaining about it all the time lmao. Sorry, the dems tried to import infinity illegals to game the electoral system, the American people rejected it, and now gang affiliated illegals are paying the price for the abject insidiousness of those policies. Again, cry harder, libtard.

Just now, Phillyterp85 said:

Today I learned that the "CVON Constitutionalists" believe that the president is allowed to blatantly violate the constitution so long as there is a major problem they are trying to fix.

Good to know for the future the next time a Democrat president tries to do the same thing....

Oh no, are the democrats going to ignore the "living document" if they get back in power?!? That would be so unprecedented. I would be flabbergasted.

7 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

lol Add another to the "it's ok to violate the constitution and break the law so long as I like the results" column.

Yes, absolutely. Politics is based around force and the Schmittian exception.

My comments are not personal opinion, mind you, but rather an observation on the American public’s sentiment and how that translates into political and legal tactics in a democratic system.

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Well, then I guess it needs to come to a head because we've had one for years. The door doesn't just go one way where Dems are allowed to cause this crisis by ignoring laws and then say no take backs!

That issue wasn't a Constitutional crisis. It is/was a significant issue for sure but not a Constitutional crisis level issue.

6 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

We were discussing the possibility that Trump would deport Americans to El Salvador which you liked as it would be cheaper to house them there. Trump has clearly made that a non start since, by his own accord, he cannot retrieve individuals who the govt has erroneously sent to prison in El Salvador.

An American would not be sent to El Salvador without due process. You are conflating this specific case, which does not involve an American citizen, with cases which would involve American citizens.

To add, it seems rather obvious that this is a private deal between the two leaders. Is there any doubt that if Trump actually wanted him back, El Salvador would refuse?

5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

That issue wasn't a Constitutional crisis. It is/was a significant issue for sure but not a Constitutional crisis level issue.

When POTUS is ignoring the Constitution and the laws of the land to the level that 20 million illegal invaders are allowed in it's a Constitutional crisis. I get we'll disagree.