1 minute ago, TEW said:

An American would not be sent to El Salvador without due process. You are conflating this specific case, which does not involve an American citizen, with cases which would involve American citizens.

To add, it seems rather obvious that this is a private deal between the two leaders. Is there any doubt that if Trump actually wanted him back, El Salvador would refuse?

No, I'm not. We end up clearing people after the fact time and again when new evidence emerges and they are released from prison.

Yes, of course Trump can get someone back if he actually wants to which is exactly the point with the Garcia case. Trump is doing nothing to get Garcia back and is telling SCOTUS to F off. Everyone knows it.

13 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Yeah, I remember you in this very thread complaining about it all the time lmao. Sorry, the dems tried to import infinity illegals to game the electoral system, the American people rejected it, and now gang affiliated illegals are paying the price for the abject insidiousness of those policies. Again, cry harder, libtard.

Well if you weren't a habitual liar, then yeah, you would remember.

At this point it's just easier to call you a moron and move on.

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

No, I'm not. We end up clearing people after the fact time and again when new evidence emerges and they are released from prison.

Yes, of course Trump can get someone back if he actually wants to which is exactly the point with the Garcia case. Trump is doing nothing to get Garcia back and is telling SCOTUS to F off. Everyone knows it.

Right. Agreed. POTUS is telling SCOTUS to F off.

If POTUS wants someone back he will get him back. So using El Salvador prisons isn’t really an issue. If an American citizen is found to be innocent after the fact they will be returned.

It’s only an issue for the pro illegal immigrant crowd, who rightly see this as a total victory against their lawfare method of degrading American sovereignty against the people’s wishes and interests.

They’re going to need to come up with a new game plan now, because the one they’ve been using for the last half century just won’t work anymore.

2 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Well if you weren't a habitual liar, then yeah, you would remember.

At this point it's just easier to call you a moron and move on.

You have selected the option of crying harder. Gotta say, I'm not really surprised.

7 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Illegals need to self-deport or they might wind up in an El Salvadorian prison. Stupid games, stupid prizes!

9 minutes ago, TEW said:

An American would not be sent to El Salvador without due process. You are conflating this specific case, which does not involve an American citizen, with cases which would involve American citizens.

To add, it seems rather obvious that this is a private deal between the two leaders. Is there any doubt that if Trump actually wanted him back, El Salvador would refuse?

Why not? This man had a protective order against deportation and he was still deported without due process. And even people here illegally have the right to due process to challenge their deportation (you know, in case the government were to make an "administrative error" and try to deport someone that they shouldn't have). I think it's foolish to say "oh but this wouldn't happen to an American". The government has already admitted that they don't have the best QA/QC process and are moving faster than they can think. So no, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they were to accidentally deport an American citizen with how they are operating.

Libtards will literally cry for pages when an illegal credibly accused of gang affiliations gets deported but then have no reaction to this:

That's why most Americans just don't care anymore. Democrats literally did one of the most evil things imaginable and they don't bat an eye, but god help you if you start clearing these people out without dozens of trials and appeals costing taxpayers millions more.

1 minute ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Why not? This man had a protective order against deportation and he was still deported without due process. And even people here illegally have the right to due process to challenge their deportation (you know, in case the government were to make an "administrative error" and try to deport someone that they shouldn't have). I think it's foolish to say "oh but this wouldn't happen to an American". The government has already admitted that they don't have the best QA/QC process and are moving faster than they can think. So no, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they were to accidentally deport an American citizen with how they are operating.

Many reasons.

First, this man was not American, so no comparison can be made.

Second, because American citizens have legal rights which illegal aliens do not.

Third, because politics matters, and the backlash wouldn’t be worth it.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

When POTUS is ignoring the Constitution and the laws of the land to the level that 20 million illegal invaders are allowed in it's a Constitutional crisis. I get we'll disagree.

What exactly are you talking about? The WH controls immigration mate. That's always been the case and it wasn't/isn't a Constitutional crisis despite the bad policy of the Biden administration.

3 minutes ago, TEW said:

Right. Agreed. POTUS is telling SCOTUS to F off.

If POTUS wants someone back he will get him back. So using El Salvador prisons isn’t really an issue. If an American citizen is found to be innocent after the fact they will be returned.

It’s only an issue for the pro illegal immigrant crowd, who rightly see this as a total victory against their lawfare method of degrading American sovereignty against the people’s wishes and interests.

They’re going to need to come up with a new game plan now, because the one they’ve been using for the last half century just won’t work anymore.

LOLOL what? How bout it's an issue for the "pro constitution and rule of law crowd" who can see the very easy slippery slope that can be followed when you allow the government to blatantly violate due process.

But sure, let's allow the government to nab people off the street and send them to a prison in a foreign country with no questions asked. No problem there.

Just now, DrPhilly said:

What exactly are you talking about? The WH controls immigration mate. That's always been the case and it wasn't/isn't a Constitutional crisis despite the bad policy of the Biden administration.

Like I said we will disagree.

1 minute ago, Phillyterp85 said:

LOLOL what? How bout it's an issue for the "pro constitution and rule of law crowd" who can see the very easy slippery slope that can be followed when you allow the government to blatantly violate due process.

But sure, let's allow the government to nab people off the street and send them to a prison in a foreign country with no questions asked. No problem there.

Nothing unconstitutional has occurred.

This is literally what Americans want. Isn’t democracy grand?

Just now, TEW said:

...literally...

1 minute ago, TEW said:

Many reasons.

First, this man was not American, so no comparison can be made.

Second, because American citizens have legal rights which illegal aliens do not.

Third, because politics matters, and the backlash wouldn’t be worth it.

Even someone here illegally has the right to due process. So trying to argue that the situation would be different if it were an American citizen doesn't hold water.

"Third, because politics matters, and the backlash wouldn’t be worth it."

They would just make up lies and claim the person was a criminal or a gang member to try mitigate the backlash. Just like they did with this person claiming he's an MS-13 gang leader despite any proof that he was ever in ANY gang let alone a leader in one of the biggest and most violent gangs.

This truly is hilarious seeing one of the major "constitution defenders" on the board all a sudden be completely ok with a president blatantly violating the constitution.

Just remember this reasoning the next time democrats want to try to put limits on gun ownership.

6 minutes ago, TEW said:

Right. Agreed. POTUS is telling SCOTUS to F off.

If POTUS wants someone back he will get him back. So using El Salvador prisons isn’t really an issue. If an American citizen is found to be innocent after the fact they will be returned.

Those statements are consistent and that puts us squarely in a crisis between the Judiciary and the Executive branches. Just as many of us knew would happen at some point.

I have two main concerns with the Garcia and Venezuelan cases. First, is the decision to abandon due process which is a right that all people in the US have (yes, the levels vary depending on the person's citizenship, status, etc. but SCOTUS has ruled on several occasions, including this latest ruling, that due process is owed to everyone). It doesn't matter how bad the bad guy is he still has that right. Second, the blatant non compliance of Trump toward SCOTUS and their rulings.

btw - There is also the issue of the conditions of the prisons, etc. but that's left for another discussion should we actually send American citizens abroad to be put in prison. I suspect there would be a ton of legal review as well.

2 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

This truly is hilarious seeing one of the major "constitution defenders" on the board all a sudden be completely ok with a president blatantly violating the constitution.

Just remember this reasoning the next time democrats want to try to put limits on gun ownership.

@TEW

I agree 100% with PTerp here. You are completely abandoning the position you have taken for a couple decades in this forum. You've always laid claim to being the most principled person in here and yet here we are...

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

Nothing unconstitutional has occurred.

This is literally what Americans want. Isn’t democracy grand?

All 9 of the supreme court justices disagree.

"Importantly, as the Court stresses, the Court’s disagreement with the dissenters is not over whether the detainees receive judicial review of their transfers—all nine Members of the Court agree that judicial review is available"

"“It is well established that the Fifth Amendment entitles aliens to due process of law” in the context of removal proceedings. Reno v. Flores, 507 U. S. 292, 306 (1993)."

2 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, he came into the country illegally. Don't do that and maybe it doesn't end up here. Cry me a river with the persecution if deported BS. Everyone can play that card. Don't come into a country illegally in the first place.

And good luck with that Doc. SCOTUS was vague for a reason. Honestly, you all spend more time talking about Garcia then you do all the US victims perpetrated by illegals.

6 minutes ago, TEW said:

Right. Agreed. POTUS is telling SCOTUS to F off.

If POTUS wants someone back he will get him back. So using El Salvador prisons isn’t really an issue. If an American citizen is found to be innocent after the fact they will be returned.

It’s only an issue for the pro illegal immigrant crowd, who rightly see this as a total victory against their lawfare method of degrading American sovereignty against the people’s wishes and interests.

They’re going to need to come up with a new game plan now, because the one they’ve been using for the last half century just won’t work anymore.

WTF are you guys even talking about? Abrego Garcia came to America when he was a teenager to reunite with his brother, because they were being harassed by gangs in El Salvador. He was granted "withholding of removal" status by an immigration judge because it was ruled he would be persecuted if deported. And it appears just that, he was deported to El Salvador and is being persecuted. His deportation to El Salvador was blocked by law by an immigration judge. Trump sent him away anyway without due process. I understand if you two nitwits are confused because this status is not granted often. So here it is Trump is acting against the wishes and interests of Abrego Garcia, his family, the people, and the law.

9 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Like I said we will disagree.

I mean yeah we know that.

However, there isn't anything to disagree about regarding the level of crisis. The Trump team is right that they own immigration and you agree with that 1000%. Biden had the same ownership is his term. There was a crisis for sure with WAY too many illegal aliens but it wasn't a Constitutional crisis.

1 minute ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Even someone here illegally has the right to due process. So trying to argue that the situation would be different if it were an American citizen doesn't hold water.

"Third, because politics matters, and the backlash wouldn’t be worth it."

They would just make up lies and claim the person was a criminal or a gang member to try mitigate the backlash. Just like they did with this person claiming he's an MS-13 gang leader despite any proof that he was ever in ANY gang let alone a leader in one of the biggest and most violent gangs.

This truly is hilarious seeing one of the major "constitution defenders" on the board all a sudden be completely ok with a president blatantly violating the constitution.

Just remember this reasoning the next time democrats want to try to put limits on gun ownership.

Due process includes expedited removal.

Yes, it would be different if he were an American citizen holds water. Lots of water. All the water. Oceans worth of water.

"They would just make up lies” is projection and a straw man.

25 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Curious how maga will spin this. Must be a young gang member that's done some type of crime that no one can find

4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

@TEW

I agree 100% with PTerp here. You are completely abandoning the position you have taken for a couple decades in this forum. You've always laid claim to being the more principled person in here and yet here we are...

Are you guys illiterate?

How many times do I have to say, "is this good? No.” Or, "this is not my personal opinion.”

I am describing the reality of the situation, not ascribing any moral or ethical value to it, let alone an endorsement.

1 minute ago, TEW said:

Are you guys illiterate?

How many times do I have to say, "is this good? No.” Or, "this is not my personal opinion.”

I am describing the reality of the situation, not ascribing any moral or ethical value to it, let alone an endorsement.

Your posts indicate you are defending the position. If that is not the case then may I suggest you make that clear so people can understand where your opinion stands.

1 hour ago, Kz! said:

Don't care:

don't sneak into the country, commit crimes and blow off court dates, and have credible ties to one of the world's most violent gangs and you won't get deported to an El Salvadorian prison.

I was legitimately curious. I couldn't find anywhere where it said he was convicted of a crime.