April 17Apr 17 Just now, Phillyterp85 said:what's not?SCOTUS said it's up to Congress. They don't fall under the jurisdiction of the US in regards to the 14th Ammendment. They want them to have something and Congress defines it.
April 17Apr 17 2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:IncorrectOk. They don't have the same rights as US citizens.
April 17Apr 17 2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:SCOTUS said it's up to Congress. They don't fall under the jurisdiction of the US in regards to the 14th Ammendment. They want them to have something and Congress defines it.No, that is absolutely not what they said. Where are you even coming up with this? All 9 justices reaffirmed that anyone subject to a deportation order has the right to due process via judicial review of their deportation order. Even Trumps's DOJ lawyers acknowledged this last week:https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a931_2c83.pdfThe Government expressly agrees that "TdA members subject to removal under the Alien Enemies Act get judicial review.”What is it with you guys, making arguments in support of the government that even the government is like, "oh no, that's illegal. We can't do that"
April 17Apr 17 Just now, Phillyterp85 said:No, that is absolutely not what they said. Where are you even coming up with this? All 9 justices reaffirmed that anyone subject to a deportation order has the right to due process via judicial review of their deportation order. Even Trumps's DOJ lawyers acknowledged this last week:https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a931_2c83.pdfThe Government expressly agrees that "TdA members subject to removal under the Alien Enemies Act get judicial review.”What is it with you guys, making arguments in support of the government that even the government is like, "oh no, that's illegal. We can't do that"Before that case, dude. Do some homework. Illegals don't have the same rights. Congress defines their due process.
April 17Apr 17 1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:SCOTUS said it's up to Congress. They don't fall under the jurisdiction of the US in regards to the 14th Ammendment. They want them to have something and Congress defines it.1 minute ago, Phillyterp85 said:No, that is absolutely not what they said. Where are you even coming up with this? All 9 justices reaffirmed that anyone subject to a deportation order has the right to due process via judicial review of their deportation order. Even Trumps's DOJ lawyers acknowledged this last week:https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a931_2c83.pdfThe Government expressly agrees that "TdA members subject to removal under the Alien Enemies Act get judicial review.”What is it with you guys, making arguments in support of the government that even the government is like, "oh no, that's illegal. We can't do that"the radical judiciary must be stopped. even the three scotus judges that trump appointed.
April 17Apr 17 3 hours ago, Bill said:I get that the universities largely Fd up, but I don't know that the pendulum swinging back this far is the solution to that problem.@vikas83 , given your alma mater, what say you?Well, I would hope this could be handled by the alumni, and to a large degree it has been at Penn -- the President was fired after her disgraceful performance in front of Congress. @TEW is correct that most alumni, especially successful ones, are against this insanity -- maybe not all of DEI, but certainly the embrace of the pro-Palestinian/Hamas activists and the resulting negative impact on Jewish students. Penn, and Wharton in particular, is basically the Jewish Ivy, and most of the wealthiest alumni are Jewish. I was very happy to see many of them cut off donations. As for the actions by the Trump administration, while I don't for a second believe they actually care about the well being of Jewish students (if Democrats were pro-Israel, Trump would be posting about a global intifada every day), I don't have a huge issue with them putting conditions on federal funding going forward. However, existing grants should follow the terms of the written contract -- if they can be canceled by the government, then fine, but I wouldn't support binding contracts being violated. These Universities have no right to Federal funding.As far as removing Harvard's tax exempt status, that's too specific and targeted for me. If you want to revoke the non-profit status of ALL universities, then I'm all for it. But singling out one institution is clearly just being capricious and petty.
April 17Apr 17 6 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:No, that is absolutely not what they said. Where are you even coming up with this? All 9 justices reaffirmed that anyone subject to a deportation order has the right to due process via judicial review of their deportation order. Even Trumps's DOJ lawyers acknowledged this last week:https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a931_2c83.pdfThe Government expressly agrees that "TdA members subject to removal under the Alien Enemies Act get judicial review.”What is it with you guys, making arguments in support of the government that even the government is like, "oh no, that's illegal. We can't do that"as soon as they saw that the guy's name was garcia, they were committed to twist themselves into pretzels to justify his deportation at all costs.
April 17Apr 17 27 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:Good. Do it 20-30 million more times.Maybe they should send you next
April 17Apr 17 2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:Well, I would hope this could be handled by the alumni, and to a large degree it has been at Penn -- the President was fired after her disgraceful performance in front of Congress. @TEW is correct that most alumni, especially successful ones, are against this insanity -- maybe not all of DEI, but certainly the embrace of the pro-Palestinian/Hamas activists and the resulting negative impact on Jewish students. Penn, and Wharton in particular, is basically the Jewish Ivy, and most of the wealthiest alumni are Jewish. I was very happy to see many of them cut off donations.As for the actions by the Trump administration, while I don't for a second believe they actually care about the well being of Jewish students (if Democrats were pro-Israel, Trump would be posting about a global intifada every day), I don't have a huge issue with them putting conditions on federal funding going forward. However, existing grants should follow the terms of the written contract -- if they can be canceled by the government, then fine, but I wouldn't support binding contracts being violated. These Universities have no right to Federal funding.As far as removing Harvard's tax exempt status, that's too specific and targeted for me. If you want to revoke the non-profit status of ALL universities, then I'm all for it. But singling out one institution is clearly just being capricious and petty.Exactly my position
April 17Apr 17 If it weren't for the fact that Trump, and his entire administration, is breathtakingly stupid, I'd actually think this whole thing with Garcia is a purposeful distraction. Everyone is up in arms about this one person, and that means no one is really talking about the hundreds of others that were rounded up and flown to a foreign prison with zero due process. So we are tacitly accepting that people can be sent to a foreign jail on the suspicion of being an illegal immigrant. That's absolutely insane and terrifying, and we have basically accepted it and are fighting over one person.Anyone who claims to be an American or love this country or the Constitution should be up in arms about all of this. Even the NSDAPs had to prove someone was Jewish before putting them on the trains.
April 17Apr 17 10 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:Before that case, dude. Do some homework. Illegals don't have the same rights. Congress defines their due process.The Constitution sets the framework, Congress passes specific legal policy, and the Judiciary reviews the laws vs Constitutionality. Checks and balances. Trump wants to change that and claim he decides process and he does not. That’s what this entire thing is about. SCOTUS ruled 9-0 against him.
April 17Apr 17 3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:If it weren't for the fact that Trump, and his entire administration, is breathtakingly stupid, I'd actually think this whole thing with Garcia is a purposeful distraction. Everyone is up in arms about this one person, and that means no one is really talking about the hundreds of others that were rounded up and flown to a foreign prison with zero due process. So we are tacitly accepting that people can be sent to a foreign jail on the suspicion of being an illegal immigrant. That's absolutely insane and terrifying, and we have basically accepted it and are fighting over one person.Anyone who claims to be an American or love this country or the Constitution should be up in arms about all of this. Even the NSDAPs had to prove someone was Jewish before putting them on the trains.Garcia is the easier case but others will follow.
April 17Apr 17 9 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:The Constitution sets the framework, Congress passes specific legal policy, and the Judiciary reviews the laws vs Constitutionality. Checks and balances. Trump wants to change that and claim he decides process and he does not. That’s what this entire thing is about. SCOTUS ruled 9-0 against him.Due process is not the same for illegals as US citizens
April 17Apr 17 4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:Cute effortYou don't care for due process. So it shouldn't matter right?They should be able to take one of your family as well
April 17Apr 17 2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:You don't care for due process. So it shouldn't matter right?They should be able to take one of your family as wellYou and Vikas comparing throwing illegal invaders out to Jews on trains 🤣 Lost your damn minds.
April 17Apr 17 7 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:Due process is not the same for illegals as US citizensNot in the details no but the fact that everyone in the US gets due process is the same and, again, ruled on by a 9-0 count just a week or so back by SCOTUS. No one in here says the due process affords the same set of details for everyone but everyone does get it. You’re simply parroting a marketing spin by the Trump team and MAGA. How about we take an example that might help? Let’s say a bar advertises "happy hour for everyone”. You go in and find out that ladies get 3 beers for the price of one but men only get 2-1. Everyone gets happy hour but the details differ.
April 17Apr 17 Just now, DrPhilly said:Not in the details no but the fact that everyone in the US gets due process is the same and, again, ruled on by a 9-0 count just a week or so back by SCOTUS. No one in here says the due process affords the same set of details for everyone but everyone does get it.You’re simply parroting a marketing spin by the Trump team and MAGA.How about we take an example that might help? Let’s say a bar advertises "happy hour for everyone”. You go in and find out that ladies get 3 beers for the price of one but men only get 2-1. Everyone gets happy hour but the details differ.So again that different due process isn't defined clearly
April 17Apr 17 36 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:Before that case, dude. Do some homework. Illegals don't have the same rights. Congress defines their due process.Once again, the very government who's actions you are supporting, has already stated in court that they do have the right to due process. So no, even the government you are cheering on is telling you that you are wrong.
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