August 5Aug 5 8 hours ago, TEW said:No, they are far too soft. Need to wait until we get the extra ICE agents before I make a final judgement though. I’d like to see at least 1 million apprehensions per year, and even at that sustained rate it will likely take 3 or more decades to get rid of them all.It's only 6 months in, shooting people at the border is still on the table.
August 5Aug 5 3 hours ago, 20dawk4life said:Yes we made the decision to live here, instead of her country. Illegals made that process longer and harder because of sneaking into the country and over staying visas.But I know, you need to move the goal post because your racism isn’t working when I’m not talking about brown people.My wife went through the same process. At no point did "illegals" make the process longer and harder. This sounds like you just fundamentally want a tighter immigration policy (nothing wrong with that, to a point) and are conjuring up a more sympathetic rationale.
August 5Aug 5 45 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:My wife went through the same process. At no point did "illegals" make the process longer and harder.This sounds like you just fundamentally want a tighter immigration policy (nothing wrong with that, to a point) and are conjuring up a more sympathetic rationale.
August 5Aug 5 1 hour ago, Gannan said:"My wife is an immigrant so that makes me not only an expert on immigration but incapable of being bigoted because she's polish"and"If they aren't gassing people, it's not a concentration camp" are among the most ridiculous and dumb witted posts I can recall reading in CVON. Considering I've had to endure WV Mike's autistic screeching and Procus' obsession with Obama's dong, it's quite an accomplishment. Congrats!"I make false equivalences because I can’t think for myself”. Congrats you fit in with the left on here.
August 5Aug 5 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:My wife went through the same process. At no point did "illegals" make the process longer and harder.This sounds like you just fundamentally want a tighter immigration policy (nothing wrong with that, to a point) and are conjuring up a more sympathetic rationale.Maybe not in 2002 when you said she was going through it, but since 2011 (when we went through it) the process was made longer and harder due to more steps being added, limitations on the amount of people allowed from certain countries, and the overall cost due to more forms and multiple interviews added due to illegals. Yes there is a direct connection from illegals causing a longer process for legal immigration. Personally I’d be all for speeding up the process, cutting the wait times, cutting the amount of interviews, and having more people in place to process applications faster.
August 5Aug 5 2 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:"I make false equivalences because I can’t think for myself”. Congrats you fit in with the left on here.There are profound parallels. I pointed them out, you ignored them and invoked your immigrant European wife as if that was supposed to settle the argument in your favor. You don't even seem to know what a concentration camp even is, making the nonsensical point that only camps that gas prisoners qualify as such. You definitely didn't know that not every person being confined, disappeared and deported is here illegally. Then tried to pass yourself off as some sort of an expert based on who your spouse is. Most of us here have an immigrant in our family. You aren't special, nor do you hold some sort of expertise over the rest of us. Your inability to grasp basic concepts about the issue is obvious.
August 5Aug 5 On 8/4/2025 at 8:54 AM, JohnSnowsHair said:but he's not just going after undocumented immigrants.he's going after people who were born here (birthright citizenship) and ramping up denaturalization.he campaigned on going after violent criminals - well we're well past that.Yeah, the fact that anyone is still pretending the GOP isn't against immigration in all forms is kinda hilarious to me. Goes to show you how uninformed such a large swath of the population remains despite everything that's happened to date.
August 5Aug 5 On 8/4/2025 at 10:49 AM, 20dawk4life said:Getting rid of birthright citizenship is probably a good idea. Switch to a European model of if you’re parents are from here you get citizenship.The denaturalization is due to people finding loopholes to gain citizenship or people that filled wrong paperwork. Again as I stated that should be a get it fixed and pay the cost of the filling, which is too damn high! In part due to illegals. (Of all colors)The post has big "I didn't think the leopard would eat my face" energy. Better hope your wife doesn't get targeted by ICE, but even if she did, I'm sure you'd just blame that on the brown people too.
August 5Aug 5 11 hours ago, TEW said:No, they are far too soft. Need to wait until we get the extra ICE agents before I make a final judgement though. I’d like to see at least 1 million apprehensions per year, and even at that sustained rate it will likely take 3 or more decades to get rid of them all.man, the price of things will plunge if this happens.
August 5Aug 5 13 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:Maybe not in 2002 when you said she was going through it, but since 2011 (when we went through it) the process was made longer and harder due to more steps being added, limitations on the amount of people allowed from certain countries, and the overall cost due to more forms and multiple interviews added due to illegals. Yes there is a direct connection from illegals causing a longer process for legal immigration.Personally I’d be all for speeding up the process, cutting the wait times, cutting the amount of interviews, and having more people in place to process applications faster.The US has had the current per-country limit for visa and immigration since I believe 1965. This means every nation has the same fixed number of persons who can immigrate. Prior to that they had a per-country quota system that varied by nation, but since 1965 it was adjusted so that every country has the same number of allowed visas. This means for nations that have far larger numbers of persons who want to immigrate legally - such as Mexico - the legal paths are virtually non-existent relative to the process yours and my wife went through, where the total number is significantly less. "Illegals" are literally defined as illegals because they bypass the immigration system entirely. They either arrive without being processed at the border at all, or they overstay their visas. If/when they are caught, they do not follow the same process as legal immigration. There is zero impact to the legal immigration process by the number of "illegals". The bill that was ready to pass last year that Trump demanded to be shot down would have added bandwidth to the processing of illegal/undocumented immigrants, who go through a process that is more of a legal/criminal process than an immigration process. Trump didn't want to "hand" that win to Biden.
August 5Aug 5 29 minutes ago, Gannan said:There are profound parallels. I pointed them out, you ignored them and invoked your immigrant European wife as if that was supposed to settle the argument in your favor. You don't even seem to know what a concentration camp even is, making the nonsensical point that only camps that gas prisoners qualify as such. You definitely didn't know that not every person being confined, disappeared and deported is here illegally. Then tried to pass yourself off as some sort of an expert based on who your spouse is. Most of us here have an immigrant in our family. You aren't special, nor do you hold some sort of expertise over the rest of us. Your inability to grasp basic concepts about the issue is obvious.No. Never tried to use my wife as to make me an expert. I used our experience of talking to immigration officers as an example of what is actually going on. Your failed attempt to equate Hitler, notsees, and concentration camps to what is happening doesn’t mean I’m wrong about anything. You doubling down on this just proves your ignorance.
August 5Aug 5 10 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:The post has big "I didn't think the leopard would eat my face" energy. Better hope your wife doesn't get targeted by ICE, but even if she did, I'm sure you'd just blame that on the brown people too.Such a boob. I’ve never blamed brown people. When asked for examples I’ve provided white people getting deported. No we won’t be targeted because we filed our paperwork correctly and didn’t use loopholes to have her here.
August 5Aug 5 4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:The US has had the current per-country limit for visa and immigration since I believe 1965. This means every nation has the same fixed number of persons who can immigrate. Prior to that they had a per-country quota system that varied by nation, but since 1965 it was adjusted so that every country has the same number of allowed visas. This means for nations that have far larger numbers of persons who want to immigrate legally - such as Mexico - the legal paths are virtually non-existent relative to the process yours and my wife went through, where the total number is significantly less."Illegals" are literally defined as illegals because they bypass the immigration system entirely. They either arrive without being processed at the border at all, or they overstay their visas. If/when they are caught, they do not follow the same process as legal immigration. There is zero impact to the legal immigration process by the number of "illegals".The bill that was ready to pass last year that Trump demanded to be shot down would have added bandwidth to the processing of illegal/undocumented immigrants, who go through a process that is more of a legal/criminal process than an immigration process. Trump didn't want to "hand" that win to Biden.The bill, like so many others, had a bunch of Bullsheet tied to it. It’s what Washington does and if you don’t want to pass something because of what’s tied to it you are blasted as not doing anything. The limitations are in place due to people coming and staying illegally. Either with a visa or with nothing the illegals help cause the limits. Of course it’s a singular reason for the limits but it has played a factor.
August 5Aug 5 15 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:The bill, like so many others, had a bunch of Bullsheet tied to it. It’s what Washington does and if you don’t want to pass something because of what’s tied to it you are blasted as not doing anything.The limitations are in place due to people coming and staying illegally. Either with a visa or with nothing the illegals help cause the limits. Of course it’s a singular reason for the limits but it has played a factor.My experience with my wife was in the early 90s so I can’t comment on what it is like these days. In any case, nothing (including whatever difficulty the process caused for you) justifies what the Trump WH and Miller have been doing thru ICE since the end of January. Yes, deport people but do it humanely and according to US laws including the full respect of due process and habeas corpus. Also, do NOT mess with people who are here on valid visas, green cards, or naturalized citizenship as long as they don’t commit a felony. Finally, when a person is deported, do not send them to places like South Sudan or to an El Salvadoran gulag.
August 5Aug 5 39 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:No. Never tried to use my wife as to make me an expert. I used our experience of talking to immigration officers as an example of what is actually going on.Your failed attempt to equate Hitler, notsees, and concentration camps to what is happening doesn’t mean I’m wrong about anything. You doubling down on this just proves your ignorance.Trump is only quoting Hitler, using a secret police force to violate people's rights to due process, and herding them up in a "concentrated area" fenced in like a camp. Yeah none of these are parallels at all. You then made the claim that illegals made the process harder for wife. Snow pointed out how you were wrong there. So you've been wrong on all counts.
August 5Aug 5 27 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:My experience with my wife was in the early 90s so I can’t comment on what it is like these days. In any case, nothing (including whatever difficulty the process caused for you) justifies what the Trump WH and Miller have been doing thru ICE since the end of January. Yes, deport people but do it humanely and according to US laws including the full respect of due process and habeas corpus. Also, do NOT mess with people who are here on valid visas, green cards, or naturalized citizenship as long as they don’t commit a felony. Finally, when a person is deported, do not send them to places like South Sudan or to an El Salvadoran gulag.Yea I agree.
August 5Aug 5 17 minutes ago, Gannan said:Trump is only quoting Hitler, using a secret police force to violate people's rights to due process, and herding them up in a "concentrated area" fenced in like a camp. Yeah none of these are parallels at all. You then made the claim that illegals made the process harder for wife. Snow pointed out how you were wrong there. So you've been wrong on all counts.Totally the same!!!
August 5Aug 5 1 hour ago, 20dawk4life said:Personally I’d be all for speeding up the process, cutting the wait times, cutting the amount of interviews, and having more people in place to process applications faster.Dang, if only there were a proposed bipartisan bill that allocated funding for this very purpose that was being championed by a GOP senator and had been gaining traction until it mysteriously ground to a halt orders of the presumptive nominee in the upcoming election.
August 5Aug 5 5 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:Dang, if only there were a proposed bipartisan bill that allocated funding for this very purpose that was being championed by a GOP senator and had been gaining traction until it mysteriously ground to a halt orders of the presumptive nominee in the upcoming election.If only Washington could pass something without attaching a bunch of Bullsheet to the bill
August 5Aug 5 1 hour ago, 20dawk4life said:No we won’t be targeted because we filed our paperwork correctlyTell me you're living in a bubble and woefully uninformed without telling me you're living in a bubble and woefully uninformed. DOJ announces plans to prioritize cases to revoke citizenshipJune 30, 20255:00 AM ETNPRDOJ announces plans to prioritize cases to revoke citizen...Denaturalization is a tactic heavily used during the McCarthy era and one that was expanded during the Obama administration and grew further during President Trump's first term. It's a tool usually...New birthright citizenship rulings provide the ultimate test for the Supreme CourtMSNBC.comOpinion | New birthright citizenship rulings provide ulti...How the court handles the cases will be the strongest indicator yet of whether this court will check any administration action.Falsifying a Tax Return Can Cost Your Citizenship Under TrumpJuly 25, 2025, 6:00 AMhttps://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/falsifying-a-tax-return-can-cost-your-citizenship-under-trump
August 5Aug 5 3 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:If only Washington could pass something without attaching a bunch of Bullsheet to the bill"But it's the Democrats fault!"
August 5Aug 5 30 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:Tell me you're living in a bubble and woefully uninformed without telling me you're living in a bubble and woefully uninformed.DOJ announces plans to prioritize cases to revoke citizenshipJune 30, 20255:00 AM ETNPRDOJ announces plans to prioritize cases to revoke citizen...Denaturalization is a tactic heavily used during the McCarthy era and one that was expanded during the Obama administration and grew further during President Trump's first term. It's a tool usually...New birthright citizenship rulings provide the ultimate test for the Supreme CourtMSNBC.comOpinion | New birthright citizenship rulings provide ulti...How the court handles the cases will be the strongest indicator yet of whether this court will check any administration action.Falsifying a Tax Return Can Cost Your Citizenship Under TrumpJuly 25, 2025, 6:00 AMhttps://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/falsifying-a-tax-return-can-cost-your-citizenship-under-trumpWell yea we aren’t committing crimes so I didn’t respond to that
August 5Aug 5 30 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:"But it's the Democrats fault!"No. As I said it’s all of Washington. Both sides!!!!
August 5Aug 5 3 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:Well yea we aren’t committing crimes so I didn’t respond to thatYea I'm sure you and your wife never made a single mistake on your taxes dating back 7 years. Best of luck to you both, bud.
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