4 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

In reality illegals do. There’s a bunch of reasons why that I’m not going to keep going over.

You have yet to actually state the reasons. You just handwave in the direction of undocumented immigrants and say they're the reason.

I've stated variously why you're wrong and you have neither acknowledged not attempted to disprove anything I've indicated, which is based on actual policy and law in this nation.

11 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

You have yet to actually state the reasons.

"It's all the brown people's fault, trust me bro."

13 hours ago, 20dawk4life said:

I don’t even like Trump

"I'm not a trump supporter but...."

2 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

"I'm not a trump supporter but...."

I'm triggered when you say mean things abut him, and will go on for pages defending his policies.

It's worth noting that the immigration process for a spouse is specifically different, and has been for a very long time, to try and prevent Russian bride type marriages that are shams purely to get someone citizenship.

Again, nothing to do with undocumenteds.

We're helping my brother-in-law who is also a naturalized citizen, who now wants to marry a girl from "the old country". The policies there are to ensure the relationships are real.

15 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

You have yet to actually state the reasons. You just handwave in the direction of undocumented immigrants and say they're the reason.

I've stated variously why you're wrong and you have neither acknowledged not attempted to disprove anything I've indicated, which is based on actual policy and law in this nation.

I’ve stated repeatedly, maybe not in response to you, that illegals cause longer waits for processing (once caught claiming asylum even though it’s BS), over staying visas for either tourism or work caused more documents needed in the process and proving marriage is legitimate as you stated about Russians ( doesn’t only apply to Russia), more interviews needed to prove legitimate marriage. There’s plenty of other BS due in part to illegals(undocumented and overstaying visas) based on what country you are coming from. There isn’t enough workers to process the influx of migrants legal and illegal. Save me the bs bill that was going through until too much sheet got attached to it and then voted down.

Never once did I insinuate that I didn’t like Mexicans or any other form of brown people coming in illegally. People on here, being boob, assumed illegals = brown people. It doesn’t to me.

Then add in the moron that keeps trying to say these holding cells are totally the same as concentration camps because trumps Hitler and his secret police are notsees, and that’s how you get pages of posts. It’s really pathetic that people try to downplay what happened in actual notsee concentration camps to compare that to what is happening today, in the US.

Yea some of this didn’t apply to our conversation but I’m tired of quoting the morons making those comparisons.

51 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

It's worth noting that the immigration process for a spouse is specifically different, and has been for a very long time, to try and prevent Russian bride type marriages that are shams purely to get someone citizenship.

Again, nothing to do with undocumenteds.

We're helping my brother-in-law who is also a naturalized citizen, who now wants to marry a girl from "the old country". The policies there are to ensure the relationships are real.

It’s not the undocumented in the Russian bride case. It’s the illegals staying too long on a visa, tourist, work, k-1, however they came here legally and then stayed too long and became illegal. Either fake marriages or just came and stayed like the Polish Dr. guy in Chicago. If I remember right he came as a kid and overstayed due to his parents keeping him here with them illegally.

People doing that caused tourist visas and esta to be a thing.

22 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

It’s not the undocumented in the Russian bride case. It’s the illegals staying too long on a visa, tourist, work, k-1, however they came here legally and then stayed too long and became illegal. Either fake marriages or just came and stayed like the Polish Dr. guy in Chicago. If I remember right he came as a kid and overstayed due to his parents keeping him here with them illegally.

People doing that caused tourist visas and esta to be a thing.

When persons overstay their visa they're referred to CBP and ICE. USCIS's only role is to generate lists of persons who they believe have knowingly overstated.

The only time there is additional administrative burden on USCIS is if the overstay of the visa is appealed based on things like financial hardship or marriage to a US citizen.

But the cases you're arguing cause burden on USCIS are the ones where persons overstay visas and more or less disappear into the population. At most they will trigger an investigation by ICE to track them down, but would not cause delays in processing immigration cases like marriages to foreign nationals.

Again: it's fine to believe we should have stricter immigration controls and enforcement. But blaming undocumented immigrants for more complicated processing of legal immigration is misplaced.

Asylum seekers on the other hand do present more of a burden to USCIS, but asylum seekers showing up in numbers didn't start until later in the Obama administration (2014ish).

So the illegal immigrants, who either snuck across the border or overstayed a visa, who by definition are illegal because they haven’t filed the required paperwork or initiated the process to become a legal immigrant… are bogging down the legal immigration process with paperwork they haven’t filed to complete the process they haven’t started… which is why they are "illegal immigrants”?

That’s a foxnews take if I ever heard one…

3 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

It's worth noting that the immigration process for a spouse is specifically different, and has been for a very long time, to try and prevent Russian bride type marriages that are shams purely to get someone citizenship.

Again, nothing to do with undocumenteds.

We're helping my brother-in-law who is also a naturalized citizen, who now wants to marry a girl from "the old country". The policies there are to ensure the relationships are real.

Tell your brother in law to make sure she doesn’t swat his hand away and look totally repulsed when he tries to hold her hand in public.

5 hours ago, MidMoFo said:

That’s a foxnews take if I ever heard one…

Combined with numerous references to the immigration bill that "had BS attached to it" without once actually citing what exactly the BS was. Then keeps acting like this isn't how legislation has been getting passed for decades now. While also continuously deflecting from anything that would actually lay blame at the feet of the current administration, and it's pretty obvious where this rube has been getting his "news" from.

6 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

When persons overstay their visa they're referred to CBP and ICE. USCIS's only role is to generate lists of persons who they believe have knowingly overstated.

The only time there is additional administrative burden on USCIS is if the overstay of the visa is appealed based on things like financial hardship or marriage to a US citizen.

But the cases you're arguing cause burden on USCIS are the ones where persons overstay visas and more or less disappear into the population. At most they will trigger an investigation by ICE to track them down, but would not cause delays in processing immigration cases like marriages to foreign nationals.

Again: it's fine to believe we should have stricter immigration controls and enforcement. But blaming undocumented immigrants for more complicated processing of legal immigration is misplaced.

Asylum seekers on the other hand do present more of a burden to USCIS, but asylum seekers showing up in numbers didn't start until later in the Obama administration (2014ish).

A lot of people who overstayed their visas are/were children who claim they didn’t know they were illegal. They appeal, they become a uscis issue bogging down the system. This has been happening for decades.

People who overstayed their visas and disappeared into the population caused more paperwork, background checks, visas for tourist, checks for ties to their community to see if they are at risk of overstaying their tourist visa. Disappearing into the population also caused more checks into marriages from Eastern Europe, as you stated with Russian mail ordered brides, to see if the marriage is legitimate or if the person is just going to take off.

None of these are undocumented. They’re illegals.

5 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Combined with numerous references to the immigration bill that "had BS attached to it" without once actually citing what exactly the BS was. Then keeps acting like this isn't how legislation has been getting passed for decades now. While continuously deflecting from anything that would actually lay blame at the feet of the current administration, and it's pretty obvious where this rube has been getting his "news" from.

Yea I watch cnn. It’s on right now.

1 minute ago, 20dawk4life said:

Yea I watch cnn. It’s on right now.

Like that's much better.

10 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Like that's much better.

It’s as far from Trump as you can get

12 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

It’s as far from Trump as you can get

Oh the network that hosted his town hall during the campaign is as far as you can get? Yep, pretty obvious your DNA doesn't quite twist all the way to the top.

8 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Oh the network that hosted his town hall during the campaign is as far as you can get? Yep, pretty obvious your DNA doesn't quite twist all the way to the top.

Yes cnn hosting a town hall for trump makes them super republican.

8 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

Yes cnn hosting a town hall for trump makes them super republican.

Nope, just makes them ratings whooers and not a credible source of news. They haven't been in a decade or so. The fact you just cited them thinking it made you look smart and objective is pretty hilarious to be honest.

9 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Nope, just makes them ratings whooers and not a credible source of news. They haven't been in a decade or so. The fact you just cited them thinking it made you look smart and objective is pretty hilarious to be honest.

No I cited them as a news source that trumpers and maga don’t watch. You need to see through their biased opinions to get the actual news. But nice try trying to twist what I said.

Sneaky or my Ice van was in the shop.

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/immigration-enforcement-los-angeles/3760298/

1 hour ago, 20dawk4life said:

You need to see through their biased opinions to get the actual news

Oh is that what you've been doing? Watching Fox News and CNN to get through to find the actual news? Yeah we can all clearly see how adept you are at deciphering fact from fiction.

6 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Oh is that what you've been doing? Watching Fox News and CNN to get through to find the actual news? Yeah we can all clearly see how adept you are at deciphering fact from fiction.

I don’t watch fox so…..

4 minutes ago, It Hurts said:

What does this arrest have to do with him refusing to help with deportations? Nothing. Right.

Glad he was arrested for extortion though.