32 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

From the tweet and just as I asserted, #1 is an arguable event but #2 and #3 are most definitely not

-“I could argue shot number one and hope for an acquittal or a hung jury

- but I can’t get there on shots 2 and 3”

1 hour ago, DBW said:

They are cloud based and footage is stored on a server. Cameras are automatically activated when an officer activates their lights and sirens and footage stops when they end the stop. It can’t be tampered with by the person wearing it before it hits a server, like a GoPro can easily be doctored before it ever gets back to the servers.

Alright let go through one by one. Speaking on the Axon system b/c Taser pretty much cornered the market on bwc.

It's only cloud based if the department subscribes to ETM, otherwise it's just stored locally on department computers. For medium sized departments you're looking at millions per year to pay for ETM.

No, the Axon does not automatically activate when the lights and sirens go off. The officer must manually activate it. The dash cams from the 90s did this, if that's what you're thinking of, but for any bwc no the officer needs to activate it for it to record.

Tampered with? You think your average LE officer is going to fire up Adobe Premier and get things looking all nice?

Any half wit computer forensics examiner would be able to immediately tell things aren't right.

This post is just nonsense.

1 hour ago, DBW said:

And why do you think someone would sue? Maybe because the officer violated their rights? Laws are one of (not the only) reasons polices exist. It’s never the other way around.

The case I sighted is very similar, the main difference being the officer was conducting a lawful stop that went sideways but it wasn’t the intent of the driver to flee or run him down. The Minnesota incident even a lawful stop, she was not detained, not being given a citation, she was innocent and shot for no reason.

This is nonsense as well. First of all, she was detained, because a detention begins the moment an officer detains her. Any order to stop or do whatever starts the detainment. Not even speaking the legality of the detainment, the detainment began when an officer told her to get out of the car. That's basic level stuff.

And no, the cases cited aren't similar. Officer positioning, type of stop, and officer interaction with the detainee are completely different.

It's like you watched an episode of Castle and and now think that's how it works. It's not how any of it works.

A ton of fake stuff out there. I've seen several posts saying Renee Good was a lesbian activist who had traveled from out of state to come protest. The idiots are just swallowing it all.

12 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

She wasn't a danger to the community. Nice try though d!psh!t. LOL

6 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

A ton of fake stuff out there. I've seen several posts saying Renee Good was a lesbian activist who had traveled from out of state to come protest. The idiots are just swallowing it all.

As tempting as it is to unravel the jump to conclusions mat in either direction, in situations like this it's beneficial to sit tight and see what evidence comes out, because things are gonna take time.

1 hour ago, Gannan said:

False. Only Trumptards believe Trump was shot at....because you are suckers and morons.

And the difference between the traitor Babbitt, and this woman is one was on a public street, the other broke into a government building with the intent to do harm.

1 minute ago, Bill said:

As tempting as it is to unravel the jump to conclusions mat in either direction, in situations like this it's beneficial to sit tight and see what evidence comes out, because things are gonna take time.

The issue here is -- who is going to investigate this? Historically, we'd have faith that the FBI and DOJ would investigate something like this in an honest manner, letting the evidence drive the outcome. But that's not the case anymore since the FBI and DOJ are lead by idiots that simply do the President's bidding. So, we have no acceptable, neutral arbiter of justice.

This is one of the many reasons that Trump's complete destruction of the DOJ's independence is catastrophic.

Just now, vikas83 said:

The issue here is -- who is going to investigate this? Historically, we'd have faith that the FBI and DOJ would investigate something like this in an honest manner, letting the evidence drive the outcome. But that's not the case anymore since the FBI and DOJ are lead by idiots that simply do the President's bidding. So, we have no acceptable, neutral arbiter of justice.

This is one of the many reasons that Trump's complete destruction of the DOJ's independence is catastrophic.

THIS^ ALL OF THIS!!

If the republicans had any backbone articles of impeachment would be drawn up tomorrow and this POS would be out of office in no time. We've become what we've always hated. Its absolutely disgusting.

34 minutes ago, Bill said:

Alright let go through one by one. Speaking on the Axon system b/c Taser pretty much cornered the market on bwc.

It's only cloud based if the department subscribes to ETM, otherwise it's just stored locally on department computers. For medium sized departments you're looking at millions per year to pay for ETM.

No, the Axon does not automatically activate when the lights and sirens go off. The officer must manually activate it. The dash cams from the 90s did this, if that's what you're thinking of, but for any bwc no the officer needs to activate it for it to record.

Tampered with? You think your average LE officer is going to fire up Adobe Premier and get things looking all nice?

Any half wit computer forensics examiner would be able to immediately tell things aren't right.

This post is just nonsense.

This is nonsense as well. First of all, she was detained, because a detention begins the moment an officer detains her. Any order to stop or do whatever starts the detainment. Not even speaking the legality of the detainment, the detainment began when an officer told her to get out of the car. That's basic level stuff.

And no, the cases cited aren't similar. Officer positioning, type of stop, and officer interaction with the detainee are completely different.

It's like you watched an episode of Castle and and now think that's how it works. It's not how any of it works.

I know plenty of LEOs and have done many alongs with state, local and county PDs. In my experience, every single time, the body cams were automatically activated as soon as the officer turned on the lights and sirens to initiate a stop, in fact they record all the time, so when it’s activated by the officer turning on the lights, it automatically backs up to record the 30-60 seconds prior to the initiation. This is assure that even the simplest of stops are lawful and the cop didn’t just make up some crap to initiate the stop. It records the audio too btw. The footage is recorded and sent in some cases wirelessly via cloud to the servers or in some cases they "dock” the cams at the end of the night and it’s uploaded. But it’s not a SD card they can pull and edit before they upload to departmental systems so that was the whole point entirely.

Regarding the case file, my point again is that the excessive use of force in both cases was unnecessary and in both cases could have been avoided if the officer did even the simplest of things, get out do the way and don’t shoot an innocent person. Just because they had a moment of fear doesn’t give them justification to murder the civilian. The ice thug getting out of his car and yelling at her to get out of the car isn’t a lawful stop or detainment. Did they activate sirens and initiate a stop per any policy or handbook on how to do it? NO. Did they identify themselves and give her a reason for the stop? NO did they do even the basic stuff correct? NO because they aren’t actually real law enforcement, they are paid mercenaries hired to round up brown people and it wasn’t going well for them that day so they violated this persons 4th amendment right, even reaching into the door and trying to open it and pull her out without probable cause is enough to violate that. Nothing they did was correct or by the book. This guy should fry for it.

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The issue here is -- who is going to investigate this? Historically, we'd have faith that the FBI and DOJ would investigate something like this in an honest manner, letting the evidence drive the outcome. But that's not the case anymore since the FBI and DOJ are lead by idiots that simply do the President's bidding. So, we have no acceptable, neutral arbiter of justice.

This is one of the many reasons that Trump's complete destruction of the DOJ's independence is catastrophic.

lol the doj was a bastion of integrity prior to Trump.

I'm not thrilled with the ICE agent firing on that car. They may get out of it but I'm not convinced their lives were truly in danger based on the little I've seen.

It would also be great if we could stop pretending ICE are terrorist gestapo agents

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The issue here is -- who is going to investigate this? Historically, we'd have faith that the FBI and DOJ would investigate something like this in an honest manner, letting the evidence drive the outcome. But that's not the case anymore since the FBI and DOJ are lead by idiots that simply do the President's bidding. So, we have no acceptable, neutral arbiter of justice.

This is one of the many reasons that Trump's complete destruction of the DOJ's independence is catastrophic.

Pretty much what I've been saying from the beginning. His actual degree of criminal guilt here is pretty much moot. It was clear this would be escalated to the federal level, which essentially is an arm of the executive branch currently. And even if somehow someway he gets convicted at the federal level is there any doubt in your mind Trump would pardon him?

35 minutes ago, Bill said:

As tempting as it is to unravel the jump to conclusions mat in either direction, in situations like this it's beneficial to sit tight and see what evidence comes out, because things are gonna take time.

For sure but those couple items seem pretty well accepted.

23 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I'm not thrilled with the ICE agent firing on that car. They may get out of it but I'm not convinced their lives were truly in danger based on the little I've seen.

It would also be great if we could stop pretending ICE are terrorist gestapo agents

Well that’s a very small step in the right direction for you.

I think for progress to be made on the image of ICE it has to start with people like Trump, Noem, Vance, and Miller to stop with all the gas lighting. They are quite happy with the fear and stress that has been created.

37 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The issue here is -- who is going to investigate this? Historically, we'd have faith that the FBI and DOJ would investigate something like this in an honest manner, letting the evidence drive the outcome. But that's not the case anymore since the FBI and DOJ are lead by idiots that simply do the President's bidding. So, we have no acceptable, neutral arbiter of justice.

This is one of the many reasons that Trump's complete destruction of the DOJ's independence is catastrophic.

When things get this bad the game is over

3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Well that’s a very small step in the right direction for you.

I think for progress to be made on the image of ICE it has to start with people like Trump, Noem, Vance, and Miller to stop with all the gas lighting. They are quite happy with the fear and stress that has been created.

What ICE is doing is beneficial to all Americans.

How about the Dem leadership calm down and actually stop with their gaslighting about them being gestapo kidnappers. Thats the type of rhetoric that makes people afraid and do what this woman did.

Sorry if it stresses illegal immigrants that they might be deported.

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

What ICE is doing is beneficial to all Americans.

How about the Dem leadership calm down and actually stop with their gaslighting about them being gestapo kidnappers. Thats the type of rhetoric that makes people afraid and do what this woman did.

Sorry if it stresses illegal immigrants that they might be deported.

Have you been under a rock for the past year? Stop with the masks, sending people to gulags, detaining American citizens, etc. Deporting illegals who have committed crimes other than being brought into the country 25 years ago when they were 8 years old is perfectly acceptable if proper due process is used.

48 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The issue here is -- who is going to investigate this? Historically, we'd have faith that the FBI and DOJ would investigate something like this in an honest manner, letting the evidence drive the outcome. But that's not the case anymore since the FBI and DOJ are lead by idiots that simply do the President's bidding. So, we have no acceptable, neutral arbiter of justice.

This is one of the many reasons that Trump's complete destruction of the DOJ's independence is catastrophic.

They’ve already said the FBI took over and is blocking the MPD from it. You know how this is going to go.

49 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The issue here is -- who is going to investigate this? Historically, we'd have faith that the FBI and DOJ would investigate something like this in an honest manner, letting the evidence drive the outcome. But that's not the case anymore since the FBI and DOJ are lead by idiots that simply do the President's bidding. So, we have no acceptable, neutral arbiter of justice.

This is one of the many reasons that Trump's complete destruction of the DOJ's independence is catastrophic.

If there's hope for impartiality, it's going to come from the OIG.

Walz has messaged his Nat Guard to be ready to be deployed. At least two GOP congresswomen have pushed Trump to use the insurrection act. Doesn’t sound very healthy.

39 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I'm not thrilled with the ICE agent firing on that car. They may get out of it but I'm not convinced their lives were truly in danger based on the little I've seen.

It would also be great if we could stop pretending ICE are terrorist gestapo agents

13 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Well that’s a very small step in the right direction for you.

I think for progress to be made on the image of ICE it has to start with people like Trump, Noem, Vance, and Miller to stop with all the gas lighting. They are quite happy with the fear and stress that has been created.

If ICE wasn’t assigned to act like a gestapo terrorist organization and didn’t go into only the blue states to round up only the brown people, then maybe we wouldn’t call them out for what they are.

Have you seen a single person they’ve taken actually get a court date and due process? Because that’s what our constitution entitles them to. Talk to me about treating them like honest upstanding agents when they start behaving like it.

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Have you been under a rock for the past year? Stop with the masks, sending people to gulags, detaining American citizens, etc. Deporting illegals who have committed crimes other than being brought into the country 25 years ago when they were 8 years old is perfectly acceptable if proper due process is used.

Lol you said "gulags" right after talking about Trump gaslighting. Ok Dr Philly

Obama literally had them in cages on concrete floors but MSNBC didn't tell you to care then

Just now, DBW said:

If ICE wasn’t assigned to act like a gestapo terrorist organization and didn’t go into only the blue states to round up only the brown people, then maybe we wouldn’t call them out for what they are.

Have you seen a single person they’ve taken actually get a court date and due process? Because that’s what our constitution entitles them to. Talk to me about treating them like honest upstanding agents when they start behaving like it.

Due process?? They're not US citizens

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Due process?? They're not US citizens

Doesn’t matter. They still get it. Do you know 3rd grade social studies? Try reading the constitution.