1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Due process?? They're not US citizens

Ther have been numerous reports of US citizens being detained. That's not due process you arse. AND even if you're illegal you are still granted the same due process. Are you really this dumb?

4 minutes ago, Bill said:

If there's hope for impartiality, it's going to come from the OIG.

He will probably fire the rest of them

2 hours ago, vikas83 said:

that's just straight murder.

1 minute ago, DiPros said:

Ther have been numerous reports of US citizens being detained. That's not due process you arse. AND even if you're illegal you are still granted the same due process. Are you really this dumb?

They can have their due process after being deported to Guatemala, thanks

1 minute ago, DiPros said:

Ther have been numerous reports of US citizens being detained. That's not due process you arse. AND even if you're illegal you are still granted the same due process. Are you really this dumb?

Seems like it, sad

1 hour ago, Tnt4philly said:

And the difference between the traitor Babbitt, and this woman is one was on a public street, the other broke into a government building with the intent to do harm.

She was also given a warning, stop or I'll shoot, and she kept coming through. Good was not given a warning.

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

They can have their due process after being deported to Guatemala, thanks

Which is not what the constitution says, proving again that you Trumptards care nothing for the constitution or the rule of law.

7 minutes ago, Bill said:

If there's hope for impartiality, it's going to come from the OIG.

I do not have much hope then. Maybe there are some left there that will risk, no, kill their career to objectively investigate.

Unfortunately, as evidenced in the microcosm of this forum, the lines have been drawn and very few are interested in an objective review of this incident.

47 minutes ago, DBW said:

I know plenty of LEOs and have done many alongs with state, local and county PDs. In my experience, every single time, the body cams were automatically activated as soon as the officer turned on the lights and sirens to initiate a stop, in fact they record all the time, so when it’s activated by the officer turning on the lights, it automatically backs up to record the 30-60 seconds prior to the initiation. This is assure that even the simplest of stops are lawful and the cop didn’t just make up some crap to initiate the stop. It records the audio too btw. The footage is recorded and sent in some cases wirelessly via cloud to the servers or in some cases they "dock” the cams at the end of the night and it’s uploaded. But it’s not a SD card they can pull and edit before they upload to departmental systems so that was the whole point entirely.

Regarding the case file, my point again is that the excessive use of force in both cases was unnecessary and in both cases could have been avoided if the officer did even the simplest of things, get out do the way and don’t shoot an innocent person. Just because they had a moment of fear doesn’t give them justification to murder the civilian. The ice thug getting out of his car and yelling at her to get out of the car isn’t a lawful stop or detainment. Did they activate sirens and initiate a stop per any policy or handbook on how to do it? NO. Did they identify themselves and give her a reason for the stop? NO did they do even the basic stuff correct? NO because they aren’t actually real law enforcement, they are paid mercenaries hired to round up brown people and it wasn’t going well for them that day so they violated this persons 4th amendment right, even reaching into the door and trying to open it and pull her out without probable cause is enough to violate that. Nothing they did was correct or by the book. This guy should fry for it.

Yeah, the Axon cameras only dock to the cloud if the agency purchases cloud storage through Taser, otherwise they just get uploaded onto the agencies computer systems. Better funded agencies usually do so, however smaller funded agencies often don't due to costs.

Also no, the Axon camera does not activate with lights and sirens. You have to push a button to get it to record. Yes, it buffers footage before the button is pressed, and that can be adjusted. The factory default is 30 seconds.

The cameras that you are speaking of that turn on automatically are dash cams, not body worn cameras.

I'm glad you know cops and did some ride-alongs. I didn't need to do so as I actually worked the job.

Now, on to the other point about the detainment, yes, the person is legally detained as soon as they are directed to do anything other than go on about their business. There's a variety of types of detainments. Most common are traffic stops, but you also have actually placing people under arrest, terry stops, stopping witnesses from leaving a scene, etc. There's no legal requirement for lights and sirens to be activated in order for a detainment to occur. Nor do you have to initiate a traffic stop for detainment to occur. I once saw an officer pull over a vehicle when he was on foot by pointing at the vehicle and then making a come here motion to the shoulder of the highway. The fact that he was on foot and had no lights and sirens activated does not make that particular stop illegal. Nor does a lack of lights and sirens in this instance prevent any type of detainment.

Regarding this incident, there's a lot of conjecture and not much of fact. We don't have the totality of the circumstances fleshed out yet, and to do so will take some time.

If you want to keep going on incorrectly, by all means keep doing so. The fact remains that your posts are devoid of anything from a legal standpoint.

2 minutes ago, Bill said:

Yeah, the Axon cameras only dock to the cloud if the agency purchases cloud storage through Taser, otherwise they just get uploaded onto the agencies computer systems. Better funded agencies usually do so, however smaller funded agencies often don't due to costs.

Also no, the Axon camera does not activate with lights and sirens. You have to push a button to get it to record. Yes, it buffers footage before the button is pressed, and that can be adjusted. The factory default is 30 seconds.

The cameras that you are speaking of that turn on automatically are dash cams, not body worn cameras.

I'm glad you know cops and did some ride-alongs. I didn't need to do so as I actually worked the job.

Now, on to the other point about the detainment, yes, the person is legally detained as soon as they are directed to do anything other than go on about their business. There's a variety of types of detainments. Most common are traffic stops, but you also have actually placing people under arrest, terry stops, stopping witnesses from leaving a scene, etc. There's no legal requirement for lights and sirens to be activated in order for a detainment to occur. Nor do you have to initiate a traffic stop for detainment to occur. I once saw an officer pull over a vehicle when he was on foot by pointing at the vehicle and then making a come here motion to the shoulder of the highway. The fact that he was on foot and had no lights and sirens activated does not make that particular stop illegal. Nor does a lack of lights and sirens in this instance prevent any type of detainment.

Regarding this incident, there's a lot of conjecture and not much of fact. We don't have the totality of the circumstances fleshed out yet, and to do so will take some time.

If you want to keep going on incorrectly, by all means keep doing so. The fact remains that your posts are devoid of anything from a legal standpoint.

Dude google can help you, the body cams connect to the vehicles light system through axon’s own system. Sounds like you were a cop a long time ago or just not good at your job.

Besides that the ice agents weren’t even wearing them so it’s a moot point.

Which brings up a whole nother point. Are they even authorized to do traffic stops and try to pull people out of cars? I don’t think so.

2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

It's bad tactics anymore. Granted the operators should 100% comply with the commands and not be stupid about it, but there's a lot of danger involved. The idea is to have a wide open view of the interior of the vehicle, and by being in the front and not the side it reduces crossfire concerns. The downside is if the operator floors it you take a bad situation and make it worse.

There's a lot of stuff that flew twenty years ago that isn't now. For example car chases are becoming a thing of the past due to revised pursuit policies. A lot of agencies now only pursue for felony offenses or just not at all, and even when pursuit is authorized by policy their often encouraged to call it off if there's a lot of traffic.

Things are getting changed up now in terms of approaches. The big thing now is passenger side approaches of the vehicle, as opposed to driver side. Its safer for the officer in case of violence or a motor vehicle accident involving the stopped cars.

Realistically if the situation is that bad where weapons need to be out, the officers should be doing a felony stop, anyway, where when the vehicle is pulled over, the occupant(s) is ordered out, back, and down via the PA system.

4 minutes ago, DBW said:

Dude google can help you, the body cams connect to the vehicles light system through axon’s own system. Sounds like you were a cop a long time ago or just not good at your job.

Besides that the ice agents weren’t even wearing them so it’s a moot point.

Which brings up a whole nother point. Are they even authorized to do traffic stops and try to pull people out of cars? I don’t think so.

Yeah, only if the vehicle is equipped with an Axon Signal Vehicle. It's not automatic just because you have an Axon bwc. It costs money to do so, and no agency I have interacted with in the last two decades actually spent money on that system and has relied on officers just pushing the button when they need it.

Also, yes, Federal law enforcement officers can do traffic stops and can pull people out of vehicles. Who do you think patrols federal property? Do you think national parks or the Mall down in DC is some kind of wild west free for all?

"Ah man, he's in a car. That's like base when you played tag as a kid." said no Federal LE ever.

14 minutes ago, DBW said:

Which brings up a whole nother point. Are they even authorized to do traffic stops and try to pull people out of cars? I don’t think so.

Looked like the driver performed her own traffic stop parking across the road.

37 minutes ago, Bill said:

Yeah, only if the vehicle is equipped with an Axon Signal Vehicle. It's not automatic just because you have an Axon bwc. It costs money to do so, and no agency I have interacted with in the last two decades actually spent money on that system and has relied on officers just pushing the button when they need it.

Also, yes, Federal law enforcement officers can do traffic stops and can pull people out of vehicles. Who do you think patrols federal property? Do you think national parks or the Mall down in DC is some kind of wild west free for all?

"Ah man, he's in a car. That's like base when you played tag as a kid." said no Federal LE ever.

These agent may have jurisdiction and can issue tickets and what not but do you think all of them are trained and even know the laws they are trying to enforce? That’s the issue alot of us here. They’re terrorists more than law enforcement. Failed out of the academy and power hungry dopes.

33 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

Looked like the driver performed her own traffic stop parking across the road.

Then they could have said move. Which I’ve seen witnesses say they told her to turn around and she was obeying that order before the Amazon badge wearing dope put himself in harm way and decided to kill her.

The NYT video break down shows conclusively what happened. He's to the left of the vehicle, her wheels are turning right (away from him) he shoots her.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis-ice-shooting-video.html?smid=url-share

The party of free speech says its now illegal to record ICE agents with your phone because its somehow "violence". But don't call them fascists...

Reason.com

The Trump administration says it's illegal to record vide...

"Violence is anything that threatens them and their safety, so it is doxing them, it's videotaping them where they're at when they're out on operations," Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said.

1 hour ago, Gannan said:

The party of free speech says its now illegal to record ICE agents with your phone because its somehow "violence". But don't call them fascists...

Reason.com

The Trump administration says it's illegal to record vide...

"Violence is anything that threatens them and their safety, so it is doxing them, it's videotaping them where they're at when they're out on operations," Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said.

Where are the YouTube auditors in these situations? They love to go film a public library or the post office and cause a scene for recording but when real crime and infringement of constitutional rights is happening they’re nowhere to be found.

Just a poor innocent victim.......

https://nypost.com/2026/01/08/us-news/renee-nicole-good-was-minneapolis-ice-watch-warrior-who-trained-to-resist-feds-before-shooting/?utm_social_post_id=646450929&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_source=twitter&utm_social_handle_id=17469289

Renee Nicole Good, the mom who was killed by a federal agent after veering her car toward him, was an anti-ICE "warrior” and was part of a group of activists who worked to "document and resist” the federal immigration crackdown in Minnesota, The Post can reveal.

7 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

Just a poor innocent victim.......

https://nypost.com/2026/01/08/us-news/renee-nicole-good-was-minneapolis-ice-watch-warrior-who-trained-to-resist-feds-before-shooting/?utm_social_post_id=646450929&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_source=twitter&utm_social_handle_id=17469289

Renee Nicole Good, the mom who was killed by a federal agent after veering her car toward him, was an anti-ICE "warrior” and was part of a group of activists who worked to "document and resist” the federal immigration crackdown in Minnesota, The Post can reveal.

Oh so you mean she was standing up against a tyrannical Government? Isn’t that what the 2A people Cry about all the time? Wait til these groups start arming themselves.

I’m sure she’ll also be trans and a vegan too. What an evil person.

11 minutes ago, DBW said:

Oh so you mean she was standing up against a tyrannical Government? Isn’t that what the 2A people Cry about all the time? Wait til these groups start arming themselves.

I’m sure she’ll also be trans and a vegan too. What an evil person.

Gay. Does that matter?

I seem to remember a different reaction the last time a white chick was shot by a federal officer. That one didn't even have a car.