January 26, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, toolg said: The reported deal on the table is Democrats conceding on border policy for Ukraine money. Seems win-win to me. Until the ink dries all we have is conjecture on the details. I want to see it happen to see what's in it. See....Republicans just needed to name the border "Ukraine" for the Dems to want to defend it. It all worked out.
January 26, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: See..pro-Russia Republicans just needed to name the border "Ukraine" for the Dems to want to defend it. It all worked out.
January 26, 20241 yr 16 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: See....Republicans just needed to name the border "Ukraine" for the Dems to want to defend it. It all worked out. As if there's something wrong with wanting to stop fascism from marching across Europe. That used to be something we all agreed on.
January 26, 20241 yr 24 minutes ago, toolg said: The reported deal on the table is Democrats conceding on border policy for Ukraine money. Seems win-win to me. Until the ink dries all we have is conjecture on the details. I want to see it happen to see what's in it. A lot of times you just have to pass a bill to see what's in it.
January 26, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, toolg said: Bingo. Trumplicans are playing up the politics of the moment. Which goes back to my original point, which is politics always gets in the way from a border deal occurring. Going back decades now. Ok - so explain. This should be easy for you.
January 26, 20241 yr 33 minutes ago, toolg said: The reported deal on the table is Democrats conceding on border policy for Ukraine money. Seems win-win to me. Until the ink dries all we have is conjecture on the details. I want to see it happen to see what's in it. Why is there another deal on the table? I was told Biden fixed the border on day one. DAY ONE!!
January 26, 20241 yr 31 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: See....Republicans just needed to name the border "Ukraine" for the Dems to want to defend it. It all worked out. Sure, Abbott is blocking federal agents because he is most concerned with securing the border, and not with politics. Tell me another fairy tale.
January 26, 20241 yr Just now, Toastrel said: Sure, Abbott is blocking federal agents because he is most concerned with securing the border, and not with politics. Tell me another fairy tale. And you think the federal agents that want to cut the barrier down are concerned with securing the border?
January 26, 20241 yr 5 minutes ago, Procus said: Ok - so explain. This should be easy for you. On 1/18/2024 at 9:36 AM, toolg said: Republicans don't want a border deal... because it's just political theater. On 1/25/2024 at 12:15 PM, toolg said: Mitt Romney is telling on Trump: The border is political football. Punt, so he can campaign against Biden and take up the issue later. On 1/25/2024 at 12:16 PM, we_gotta_believe said: Turtle said the same:
January 26, 20241 yr 15 minutes ago, mikemack8 said: And you think the federal agents that want to cut the barrier down are concerned with securing the border? Securing free flow across the border is their concern.
January 26, 20241 yr 25 minutes ago, mikemack8 said: And you think the federal agents that want to cut the barrier down are concerned with securing the border? I'm sorry the Supreme Court is on my side, and what the governor is doing is not legal. I'm sorry that you feel that the US border partrol taking people here illegally, into their custody is wrong, but I disagree.
January 26, 20241 yr 26 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Sure, Abbott is blocking federal agents because he is most concerned with securing the border, and not with politics. Tell me another fairy tale. It really is hilarious to see just how flummoxed this whole scenario has left sheetlibs. They honestly don't even have any idea what to say on the subject because the TV is mostly avoiding it. So they quibble about pointless things like "Abbott's just trying to score political points!" OK? He's the one trying to secure his state's border so hordes of illegals don't stream over by the thousands on a daily basis. What's Biden trying to do by having the feds open the flood gates? Republicans are using this to score political points because it's an egregious own goal by Biden and the dems. They're literally fighting a state so that more illegal migrants come here for taxpayer funded handouts. By stopping it, Republicans score the easiest political points in the history of politics because that's what the entirety of their voter base wants. Hell, that's what the vast majority of the country wants.
January 26, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, Toastrel said: I'm sorry the Supreme Court is on my side, and what the governor is doing is not legal. I'm sorry that you feel that the US border partrol taking people here illegally, into their custody is wrong, but I disagree. Toaster supports the abolishment of Roe Vs Wade because he is a very serious Supreme Court respecter.
January 26, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, Kz! said: He's the one trying to secure his state's border It's 30 miles of razor wire. The border between Texas and Mexico is over 1,200 miles. Republicans stopping a bill that would provide more federal money for border agents and security would go a lot further than Abbot's little razor wire. Which is why Republicans are making so much hay about this right now, because they need a distraction from the fact that they're the one's blowing up talks and blocking a more comprehensive security deal.
January 26, 20241 yr 34 minutes ago, toolg said: uh huh - absolutely in left field and completely unrelated to the question I posed to @VanHammersly - which he also couldn't answer Let me ask again, do either of you know what the Supreme Court actually ruled, and the procedural backdrop of the ruling. Not a complicated question. Why do the two of you refuse to answer? I'll tell you why - you don't know and are too lazy to look it up.
January 26, 20241 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: It's 30 miles of razor wire. The border between Texas and Mexico is over 1,200 miles. Republicans stopping a bill that would provide more federal money for border agents and security would go a lot further than Abbot's little razor wire. Which is why Republicans are making so much hay about this right now, because they need a distraction from the fact that they're the one's blowing up talks and blocking a more comprehensive security deal. Haha, pivoting back to the bill that would just allocate a ton of funds into processing migrants faster. Nope, still not going to cut it. The dems are either going to have to come up with a serious proposal or they're going to have to let Republicans continue to dunk on them over and over again on this issue.
January 26, 20241 yr 41 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Sure, Abbott is blocking federal agents because he is most concerned with securing the border, and not with politics. Tell me another fairy tale. Just now, Toastrel said: B-but only the OTHER side plays politics!! Is... is toaster so stupid that he's literally dunking on himself? The nursing home really does need to monitor his internet usage a lot more closely.
January 26, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, Procus said: uh huh - absolutely in left field and completely unrelated to the question I posed to @VanHammersly - which he also couldn't answer Let me ask again, do either of you know what the Supreme Court actually ruled, and the procedural backdrop of the ruling. Not a complicated question. Why do the two of you refuse to answer? I'll tell you why - you don't know and are too lazy to look it up. He already answered dude. And I already responded to you with his answer. 2 hours ago, toolg said: The state of Texas installed razor wire along the international border with Mexico. Border Patrol insisted it was hindering their work so they cut and removed some of it. Texas Gov. Abbott said the border agents broke state law. So the state filed a lawsuit against the Feds. District court rejected the state's request. Texas appealed to the Fifth Circuit, who ruled border control can remove the wire only in medical emergencies. Biden administration appealed this decision to SCOTUS, who vacated the Fifth Circuit Court injunction. https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/012224zr_fd9g.pdf Ultimately, protecting the international border is a Federal government responsibility. No way you were a lawyer.
January 26, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, Procus said: uh huh - absolutely in left field and completely unrelated to the question I posed to @VanHammersly - which he also couldn't answer Let me ask again, do either of you know what the Supreme Court actually ruled, and the procedural backdrop of the ruling. Not a complicated question. Why do the two of you refuse to answer? I'll tell you why - you don't know and are too lazy to look it up. No. You are too lazy to read the thread.
January 26, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, Kz! said: Haha, pivoting back to the bill that would just allocate a ton of funds into processing migrants faster. Nope, still not going to cut it. The dems are either going to have to come up with a serious proposal or they're going to have to let Republicans continue to dunk on them over and over again on this issue. Ignoring the fact that the bill would've certainly included a sheetload of federal money for border agents and security measures is very on brand for MAGA. I get why MAGA politicians don't want the border to improve because they want to keep you losers ginned up, but the really wild part is that you guys don't seem to want any real progress on the border either. You'd rather be mad about it than have a solution. It's wild. And also indicative of why you losers get such overwhelmingly sheety political representatives, because you'd much rather hear your leaders reee about problems than have them actually do anything about them.
January 26, 20241 yr 9 minutes ago, Procus said: uh huh - absolutely in left field and completely unrelated to the question I posed to @VanHammersly - which he also couldn't answer Let me ask again, do either of you know what the Supreme Court actually ruled, and the procedural backdrop of the ruling. Not a complicated question. Why do the two of you refuse to answer? I'll tell you why - you don't know and are too lazy to look it up. I just wanted everyone to be able to visualize Procus making this argument.
January 26, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said: Ignoring the fact that the bill would've certainly included a sheetload of federal money for border agents and security measures is very on brand for MAGA. I get why MAGA politicians don't want the border to improve because they want to keep you losers ginned up, but the really wild part is that you guys don't seem to want any real progress on the border either. You'd rather be mad about it than have a solution. It's wild. And also indicative of why you losers get such overwhelmingly sheety political representatives, because you'd much rather hear your leaders reee about problems than have them actually do anything about them. Blah blah blah snot bubbles blah blah. No one cares, van. Biden can still solve the border crisis without a multi-billion dollar package to import new 3rd worlders faster. It's not up to republicans to help him.
January 26, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, Kz! said: Blah blah blah snot bubbles blah blah. 3 hours ago, Kz! said: He literally can't formulate a real thought on the subject. Now post a windmill meme and concede, bish
January 26, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Now post a windmill meme and concede, bish You had to cut out a sentence to pretend I didn't make a point. Cry some more about how republicans have no interest in giving Biden billions to process third worlders beetch.
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