2 minutes ago, Kz! said:

You had to cut out a sentence to pretend I didn't make a point.  

Cry some more about how republicans have no interest in giving Biden billions to process third worlders beetch.  

The same dumbazz point you keep making over and over again, while ignoring the funds for actually securing the border.  But, wait, never mind, they didn't need it, Abbott's got that 30 miles out of 1,200 on lockdown. 

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

The same dumbazz point you keep making over and over again, while ignoring the funds for actually securing the border.  But, wait, never mind, they didn't need it, Abbott's got that 30 miles out of 1,200 on lockdown. 

Nope, republicans don't want third world immigrants that are piling over the border to be processed faster with more taxpayer money. We've all seen that play out. What good is funding more border patrol agents when the current border patrol is literally tasked with making illegal entry into the US easier? 

"Hey guys, give more money to the border patrol so we can remove the razor wire faster!" 

I am happy that Van finally found a talking point that he likes enough that he feels confident enough to engage in this thread again. Sure, it took @toolg to come and spoon feed it to him that this is all actually the Republicans fault, but it's good to see van feel like he can contribute.  

14 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Nope, republicans don't want third world immigrants that are piling over the border to be processed faster with more taxpayer money. We've all seen that play out. What good is funding more border patrol agents when the current border patrol is literally tasked with making illegal entry into the US easier? 

"Hey guys, give more money to the border patrol so we can remove the razor wire faster!" 

I am happy that Van finally found a talking point that he likes enough that he feels confident enough to engage in this thread again. Sure, it took @toolg to come and spoon feed it to him that this is all actually the Republicans fault, but it's good to see van feel like he can contribute.  

If Republicans have a problem with the asylum program then they're free to include reforms in the bill.  That's the nature of negotiations.  You offer something and the other side offers something and if you want more you offer more.  Increase the funding for updating our military so that Ukraine can get more of our outdated weapons and I'm sure the Dems would offer more on the border.  But that's out of the question because for some absolutely insane reason Republicans are dead set on Ukraine being taken over by a fascist state.

But that's all fantasy because as we both know, Republicans don't want to fix the problem.  They need it because otherwise they'll have to pay attention to the fact that their inevitable nominee is a dementia-riddled rapist who's driving the party into defeat. 

15 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

If Republicans have a problem with the asylum program then they're free to include reforms in the bill.  That's the nature of negotiations.  You offer something and the other side offers something and if you want more you offer more.  Increase the funding for updating our military so that Ukraine can get more of our outdated weapons and I'm sure the Dems would offer more on the border.  But that's out of the question because for some absolutely insane reason Republicans are dead set on Ukraine being taken over by a fascist state.

But that's all fantasy because as we both know, Republicans don't want to fix the problem.  They need it because otherwise they'll have to pay attention to the fact that their inevitable nominee is a dementia-riddled rapist who's driving the party into defeat. 

Biden could always take the more sane approach and simply not have federal border patrol agents remove physical barriers to help people enter the country illegally, but that's a fantasy because as we both know, Biden doesn't want to fix the problem. 

"I don't get it, democrats are trying to pass the 'fix all our problems bill' but Republicans won't agree to it. I guess they don't want to fix all our problems." 

It shouldn't be this easy to trick dem voters every time, but when you're dealing with the dumbest cult on the planet, anything goes. 

6 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Biden could always take the more sane approach and simply not have federal border patrol agents remove physical barriers to help people enter the country illegally, but that's a fantasy because as we both know, Biden doesn't want to fix the problem. 

Again, if Republicans want a certain approach taken, put it into the F'ing bill.  That's what Congress does, they pass bills (or they used to before this Congress) and then the President decides whether to sign them or not.  They could absolutely force Biden's hand and make him sign a bill that gives them most of what they want.  But they're not going to do that, because there's literally no incentive for them to solve the problem.  Not only does the issue remaining a problem benefit them politically, people like you won't blame them when they chose publicity stunts over actual solutions.

Oh noes! Texas is overrun with illegals! It's such a crisis! There's going to be civil war! 

The governor is in India.

 

11 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

Again, if Republicans want a certain approach taken, put it into the F'ing bill.  That's what Congress does, they pass bills (or they used to before this Congress) and then the President decides whether to sign them or not.  They could absolutely force Biden's hand and make him sign a bill that gives them most of what they want.  But they're not going to do that, because there's literally no incentive for them to solve the problem.  Not only does the issue remaining a problem benefit them politically, people like you won't blame them when they chose publicity stunts over actual solutions.

I'm sure a hypothetical bill that gave republicans everything they wanted at the border would be signed by Biden immediately. After all, it's not like he's currently actively aiding illegal immigration intentionally. That sounds like a man who is ready to come to the negotiating table! 

They really are this stupid, folks. 

8 minutes ago, toolg said:

Oh noes! Texas is overrun with illegals! It's such a crisis! There's going to be civil war! 

The governor is in India.

 

omg he went to india when he could be hand fighting illegal border crossers!? Guess it's not a crisis after all! Maybe someone should tell all those dem sanctuary city mayors that have declared states of emergency!

1 hour ago, VanHammersly said:

  It's 30 miles of razor wire.  The border between Texas and Mexico is over 1,200 miles.

Republicans stopping a bill that would provide more federal money for border agents and security would go a lot further than Abbot's little razor wire.  Which is why Republicans are making so much hay about this right now, because they need a distraction from the fact that they're the one's blowing up talks and blocking a more comprehensive security deal.

Or Biden could re-instate everything he removed out of spite or because it was the mean orange man's policies.  Or, enforce the laws that are already in place.  This issue was not this bad for the last few administrations because they didn't start their presidency with an open invitation to come to the United States and also remove policies that actually worked.  He may have even gotten rid of the Obama cages, I'm not sure.  Of course he's going to blame the Republicans because he isn't accountable for the things he does when they go wrong.  There has never been accountability for the soldiers being killed during the horrific withdrawal, accusing border patrol of whipping illegal immigrants, etc.  It's probably because he doesn't remember those things but his handlers could remind him.

2 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

As if there's something wrong with wanting to stop fascism from marching across Europe.  That used to be something we all agreed on.

Can't we do both? Why should one preclude the other from either side. Name the Ukraine border Mexico.

2 hours ago, Toastrel said:

Sure, Abbott is blocking federal agents because he is most concerned with securing the border, and not with politics.

 

Tell me another fairy tale.

Google joke.

7 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Can't we do both? Why should one preclude the other from either side. Name the Ukraine border Mexico.

We absolutely can.  And should.  Unfortunately, Republicans are out on the bill because they like the politics of doing neither.

8 minutes ago, GreenReaper said:

There has never been accountability for the soldiers being killed during the horrific withdrawal

45 US soldiers died in hostile actions under Trump and there was zero accountability for any of those loses.  13 died under Biden.  Say you don't actually give a sheet about the lives of our troops without saying you don't actually give a sheet about the lives of our troops.

19 minutes ago, GreenReaper said:

There has never been accountability for the soldiers being killed during the horrific withdrawal, accusing border patrol of whipping illegal immigrants, etc.  It's probably because he doesn't remember those things but his handlers could remind him.

Not only that, the scumbag was literally checking his watch during a ceremony honoring those he got killed.

25 minutes ago, GreenReaper said:

There has never been accountability for the soldiers being killed during the horrific withdrawal  

How about the accountability for all the dead soldiers under Trump, Obama, and Bush? Or the accountability from members of Congress who continued to vote to keep OEF/OIF going so long? Never mind the fact that you’re so deep in the cult that you refuse to hold Trump accountable for his role in the withdrawal. 
 

 

59 minutes ago, Kz! said:

omg he went to india when he could be hand fighting illegal border crossers!? Guess it's not a crisis after all!

Exactly. It’s a manufactured crisis to campaign against. 

4 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

If Republicans have a problem with the asylum program then they're free to include reforms in the bill.  That's the nature of negotiations.  You offer something and the other side offers something and if you want more you offer more.  Increase the funding for updating our military so that Ukraine can get more of our outdated weapons and I'm sure the Dems would offer more on the border.  But that's out of the question because for some absolutely insane reason Republicans are dead set on Ukraine being taken over by a fascist state.

But that's all fantasy because as we both know, Republicans don't want to fix the problem.  They need it because otherwise they'll have to pay attention to the fact that their inevitable nominee is a dementia-riddled rapist who's driving the party into defeat. 

Why is it that Democrats are conducting negotiations on behalf of foreigners illegally coming into the country? 

And now Democrats are going to hold our own nation’s security ransom for… increased military funding… for a FOREIGN nation?

Seriously, does this crap actually sound like a good point in your head?

8 hours ago, vikas83 said:

I don't know a ton about this case, but it's interesting. I understand the SCOTUS ruling that Border Patrol agents must be allowed to reach and access the border, even if that means cutting the wire. Protecting the nation's borders is clearly the responsibility of the Federal Government. So a state blocking US Border Patrol agents from being able to access the border won't work. It seems what should happen is Texas (and other border states) should sue the Biden administration for failing to protect the border, and ask the court for permission to step in since the Federal Government is failing. I bet this SCOTUS would grant that request with the caveat that state officials must allow the Feds to access the border as well. I doubt they would formally transfer responsibility from the Feds to the state. 

The easy answer would be for Biden to nationalize the guard and then allow them to continue what they are doing, with instructions they must intervene in medical emergencies. But that makes too much sense to happen.

The purpose of a system is what it does.

It won’t happen because under democrats, the purpose of "border security” is to facilitate illegal immigration, not secure our borders.

This is an intentional outcome, not incompetence. 

9 hours ago, TEW said:

The purpose of a system is what it does.

It won’t happen because under democrats, the purpose of "border security” is to facilitate illegal immigration, not secure our borders.

This is an intentional outcome, not incompetence. 

Tell us how to secure the US border, Mr. Genius?

It isn't economically feasible. We don't inspect more than 5% of ship cargo coming to US ports. We're not going to wall in America. The idea is idiotic.

You can close off America at an impossible price, or you can make the companies who hire illegals, pay more that the cost of hiring legals.

I can't believe you lunatics who want a bomb a dead man's land at the border, and machine gun women and children as if this were East Berlin.

There is something wrong with you.

Border Patrol has 'no plans' to remove razor wire set up by Texas amid feud with Biden admin

Texas and the federal government are battling over border security

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/border-patrol-has-no-plans-remove-razor-wire-set-up-texas-amid-feud-biden-admin

13 hours ago, TEW said:

The purpose of a system is what it does.

It won’t happen because under democrats, the purpose of "border security” is to facilitate illegal immigration, not secure our borders.

This is an intentional outcome, not incompetence. 

There’s big money in transporting cheap labor for big business. Securing the border or "building a wall” would provide better control of that cheap labor wanting to come here. Immigrants would be forced to use the avenues of traffickers.

We need the workers.

Democrats want them to pay taxes, and eventually maybe become voting citizens.

Republicans want the cheap tax free workers and they’re moving for better control of it.

But you’re right this is an intentional outcome with both sides refusing to give away from their goal.

4 hours ago, Toastrel said:

Tell us how to secure the US border, Mr. Genius?

It isn't economically feasible. We don't inspect more than 5% of ship cargo coming to US ports. We're not going to wall in America. The idea is idiotic.

You can close off America at an impossible price, or you can make the companies who hire illegals, pay more that the cost of hiring legals.

I can't believe you lunatics who want a bomb a dead man's land at the border, and machine gun women and children as if this were East Berlin.

There is something wrong with you.

AND stop giving out taxpayer funded benefits.   No more free public school, no more food stamps, etc…

The Dems are purposefully encouraging illegal immigration.  You can't be taken seriously on this topic if you don't acknowledge that fact.  

Anything else, about jobs or hiring or taxes, is an absolute nonstarter. 

Enforce immigration law. Only then can we entertain nuanced discussion about what immigrants do when they come here in a controlled and LEGAL fashion 

Here is how it started:

 

Wednesday, January 10:

The Texas National Guard blocked the Border Patrol from placing mobile surveillance equipment inside Shelby Park, according to Robert Danley, lead field coordinator for US Customs and Border Protection for the Del Rio area.