March 22, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said: Literally anyone could ask this same question when they're charged with a crime. "Your Honor, the crime was already committed, what's the gain in charging me for it now?" If there is a victim then a typical gain is one for the victim. We don't have that situation here. Stormy has already gained far more than she ever deserved.
March 22, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: So all laws all the time with no regard for context? No. In this case is no reason not to though. I disagree with all your points about him possible benefitting from this. I also disagree that possible political points should weigh in on the decision to indict. I'm sure there are many cases with context I couldn't even dream of that might make me lean towards saying don't indict because of X. This ain't one of them.
March 22, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said: If there is a victim then a typical gain is one for the victim. We don't have that situation here. Stormy has already gained far more than she ever deserved. I believe the victim here would be the government, like when someone commits tax fraud.
March 22, 20232 yr Just now, Boogyman said: No. In this case is no reason not to though. I disagree with all your points about him possible benefitting from this. I also disagree that possible political points should weigh in on the decision to indict. I'm sure there are many cases with context I couldn't even dream of that might make me lean towards saying don't indict because of X. This ain't one of them. Ok, that is fair but then I need to ask the question on the flip side. Why go with indict? Are you simply saying that indict should be the default at all times?
March 22, 20232 yr I still can't imagine a scenario where this leads to possible undecided voters deciding to vote to him. The retarded Trumplikins are voting for him anyway, and there's not enough of them. I think we learned that last part in the last election IMO.
March 22, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: I believe the victim here would be the government, like when someone commits tax fraud. In that case, it would only strengthen my feeling on this case. The DA gains from the publicity and maybe the local police gain a political victory but I have little sympathy for those two points.
March 22, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Ok, that is fair but then I need to ask the question on the flip side. Why go with indict? Are you simply saying that indict should be the default at all times? For a career criminal? Yes. IMO, he's basically a mob boss.
March 22, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said: In that case, it would only strengthen my feeling on this case. The DA gains from the publicity and maybe the local police gain a political victory but I have little sympathy for those two points. Sorry, it doesn't work like that. No one else is afforded the opportunity to step into a courtroom and say, "Well, the only victim is the US government, so why don't we just drop it."
March 22, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, Boogyman said: For a career criminal? Yes. IMO, he's basically a mob boss. Ok, think we've pretty much covered everything there is to cover here.
March 22, 20232 yr Just now, DrPhilly said: Ok, think we've pretty much covered everything there is to cover here. Cool. Now who is gonna cross examine me?
March 22, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said: Sorry, it doesn't work like that. No one else is afforded the opportunity to step into a courtroom and say, "Well, the only victim is the US government, so why don't we just drop it." You do know that there are tons of cases that aren't pursued for all kinds of reasons, right? A tax evasion case, for example, isn't likely to be pursued if the only outcome could be a penalty of say $100.
March 22, 20232 yr Just now, mr_hunt said: we don't even know what the potential charges are yet. Fair enough. We have seen what people think they will be though.
March 22, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: You do know that there are tons of cases that aren't pursued for all kinds of reasons, right? A tax evasion case, for example, isn't likely to be pursued if the only outcome could be a penalty of say $100. Well it's sure as hell not going to be a $100 penalty. And, like Hunt says, we don't know the extent of any of this. We do know that it revolves around what's essentially tax evasion concerning the Stormy hush payment and we know it was $130,000 payment. No reason to believe anyone else wouldn't be hit with charges if they withheld or misrepresented $130,000 from the government. I've gotten a notice about a grand before that had the threat of charges if I didn't comply.
March 22, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Well it's sure as hell not going to be a $100 penalty. And, like Hunt says, we don't know the extent of any of this. We do know that it revolves around what's essentially tax evasion concerning the Stormy hush payment and we know it was $130,000 payment. No reason to believe anyone else wouldn't be hit with charges if they withheld or misrepresented $130,000 from the government. I've gotten a notice about a grand before that had the threat of charges if I didn't comply. I'm failing to see how that will generate a fee that can outweigh all the costs that would go along with conducting a trial. The police costs alone to deal with all the crap near the courthouse will be massive. I'm not a NY law expert but it seems to me that there is a zero chance of net financial gain for the local govt.
March 22, 20232 yr If there is actual prison time in the mix then that could change the game for me depending on the length of time.
March 22, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said: I'm failing to see how that will generate a fee that can outweigh all the costs that would go along with conducting a trial. The police costs alone to deal with all the crap near the courthouse will be massive. I'm not a NY law expert but it seems to me that there is a zero chance of net financial gain for the local govt. I guess like Mikeseriesofnumbers once predicted: We’ll see.
March 22, 20232 yr I think the problem is that we just used to ignore crazies because there was like only one or two of them. Honestly what needs to be done with MAGAts is that they need to be confronted publicly. So here in Florida there’s plenty of me to yell at. If you see a MAGA, yell at MAGA. Anywhere you’ll be and they’re there, let em have it. Publicly shame them. @mr_hunt, the next time you’re at Price Chopper and some idiot in line says something say something back and shut them. @EaglesRocker97 the next time you drive by some idiot with a sign, shout them down. @vikas83 the next time you’re, uh, accidentally at someplace a poor would be for whatever reason. Just yell at them.
March 22, 20232 yr 21 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: I guess like Mikeseriesofnumbers once predicted: We’ll see. Yes, we shall see
March 22, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, pisceschica said: This fake but still funny A Journalist Believes He Was Banned From Midjourney After His AI Images Of Donald Trump Getting Arrested Went Viral https://www.yahoo.com/news/journalist-believes-banned-midjourney-ai-151548386.html
March 22, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Bill said: I think the problem is that we just used to ignore crazies because there was like only one or two of them. Honestly what needs to be done with MAGAts is that they need to be confronted publicly. So here in Florida there’s plenty of me to yell at. If you see a MAGA, yell at MAGA. Anywhere you’ll be and they’re there, let em have it. Publicly shame them. @mr_hunt, the next time you’re at Price Chopper and some idiot in line says something say something back and shut them. @EaglesRocker97 the next time you drive by some idiot with a sign, shout them down. @vikas83 the next time you’re, uh, accidentally at someplace a poor would be for whatever reason. Just yell at them. I wish a motherFer would. I'll make them rage or cry but I'll be laughing my *** off at them the whole time. 🤣🤣🤣
March 22, 20232 yr 23 hours ago, lynched1 said: They better go through with this. I'm too excited about the possibilities of precedence. It'll be glorious.
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