We have an old, expensive roster, and we’re not very good. So we need as many good young players as possible. So I think it’s a good move. We can still get a good player in the first round this year. It’s even likely a couple of the guys we’ve been considering at 6 might be there at 12. Then we have potentially three first rounders next year. It’s a good move, but it will be up to Howie and the scouting staff to make the right picks, and it will be up to our coaching staff to develop the players — which was a weakness of the last staff. We’re too far away from contention for a guy like Chase/Pitts to make much of a difference in the short term.

53 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Regardless of the actual cap number, we lost 48 million in cap space restructuring.

Right now it is projected to be 203 million, we had 73 million in space before restructures, we now have 25 million, net loss of 48 million.

If the cap is 220 million, that means we would have had 90 million in cap space, instead wi will have 42 million.  

You keep missing the point, we gave away 48 million in cap space next year to due to cap mismanagement.

Regardless of the cap number, it goes up for everyone, and we will still be 23rd in cap space available, with a ton of our allocated dollars to players over 30 years old with multiple major injuries.

I don't think you understand in the slightest what I am telling you.

I don't think you understand.  The Eagles will be able to sign whoever they want.  They'll have plenty of cap space and plenty of ways to create more room.

5 minutes ago, Procus said:

The difference in cap space down the line doesn't mean much.  The team will have plenty of room to sign whoever it wants.

No, they wont.

2 minutes ago, Procus said:

I don't think you understand.  The Eagles will be able to sign whoever they want.  They'll have plenty of cap space and plenty of ways to create more room.

How will they  have plenty of cap space ?? 

18 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I really like the concept here. I think too many Eagles fans had huge draft crushes this year on players we may not need. We moved back just far enough that people won't be crying about, " you don't use a #6 pick on a insert position here." I still believe our biggest needs are on defense and specifically at CB. I'm pretty sure dallas will take Surtain, but we should still have a shot at either Farley or Horn if we go CB. Maybe Parsons is still available and ... you never know ...

Now, I don't think we need a WR early, like so many others here. We have guys with upside on the roster. Too many people have slammed their fists on the panic button just because 2020 was an offensive disaster. But, I still think either one of : Chase, Smith, Pitts, Waddle --- will still be available at #12.

In conclusion, I think this was the right thing to do this year. 

It wouldn’t surprise me if 3 of those 4 you named toward the end of your post are still available when pick 12 rolls around.  

26 minutes ago, beto_eagles said:

Can you imagine? I mean, I was on board with keeping Wentz, but had they traded him 2 years ago, the Eagles would have gotten an absurd amount of picks. Now we would have tons of ammo, a better cap situation and the same number of SBs. Had Foles struggled like in Jax or Chicago, it would have been easier to grab a QB this year or even trade for Wilson, Watson or Stafford. 

For as much as I can commend Roseman for how he’s making lemonade out of the lemons he had it doesn’t escape me he’s the guy who brought the lemons in the first place.

5 hours ago, bobeph said:

They’re going to suck this year anyway.  Now they’ll most likely have 3 first round picks next year.  I like it.

Yes - and at least one we will be top 10-15. 

23 minutes ago, Procus said:

I don't think you understand.  The Eagles will be able to sign whoever they want.  They'll have plenty of cap space and plenty of ways to create more room.

Procus is right on - Howie kicked the can down the road and we’ll be saddled with a lot of huge, over market, guarantees for aging players. 

23 minutes ago, time2rock said:

It wouldn’t surprise me if 3 of those 4 you named toward the end of your post are still available when pick 12 rolls around.  

Yeah - I wanted us to trade down for just that reason. 

1 hour ago, nipples said:

So Fing stupid. It’s so rare to be picking as high as 6 (unless you’re the Browns, Jets or Jags), and the one chance they have to get a stud that high they trade down.  Not only down but out of the top 10 entirely. So dumb. They could have had at least one of Chase or Pitts available at their pick, if not both still in the board to pick from. 

 

Well, we don’t need a QB or a left tackle or even a disruptive DE so it's a good move. If Hurtz doesn’t play well next year, we’ll have a top 10 pick plus 1-2 other first round picks to get the best QB in the draft. 

5 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

I'm not great at pick values, but at first glance, this seems like a decent swap. Or am I crazy?

The difference between #6 and #12 is 400pts in our favour.  The difference between #156 and #123 is 21.6pts in their favour.  So an overall difference of 378.4pts, which is the equivalent of the #52 overall pick.  The saying is that a pick the next draft is like a pick in the current draft, but a round lower.  So a 1st Round 2022 pick is theoretically equal to a 2021 2nd Round pick.  So it does balance out for the most part going by the draft trade chart value system.

On the surface it didn't look like a fair trade for us, but by the numbers it is.  I do like having THREE 1st Round picks next draft.  Better chance to evaluate talent when there will be a full college season and players won't be opting out for the year.  Though, both the Dolphins and Colts 1st Round picks will probably be in the 20s.  And that's hoping that Wentz plays enough snaps to turn the Colts pick into a 1st Rounder. 

As others have said, there isn't really any sure shot generational player that early in the draft, so a trade down made sense.  So now we have 5 picks in the first 4 rounds. 

 

2 hours ago, CaliEagle said:

The problem is that we won't be able to pay 3 first rounders next year, so don't expect Howie to keep those picks. That's the part of this deal that I don't like.  Howie needs to stop kicking money down the road, so we can afford to draft 3 first rounders.  We will end up trading a couple of those away to move up or he will keep trading them forward which won't do much good until he gets money off the books.

 

2 hours ago, RICWOOFLAIR said:

Has nothing to do with mental fortitude. If I need resources to help be produce on the field and you go out and draft a QB with my 2nd round pick then. yeah I'm going to have a issue. 

Nah - first round draft picks are a much lower cap hit than the extended veterans dead cap. We can pay them. 

5 hours ago, QBhunter58 said:

Miami doesnt have the third pick... Its okay a lot has happened in the last 10 minutes

Holy ish!  I only recently got home from work and missed all this today.  SF traded up with MIA to #3.  Guess they gave them their 2022 1st Rounder, so yeah, hopefully Howie told MIA whatever the higher 2022 1st Round pick is will be the one we get.  But I don't think that happened.  Wow, SF is going QB.  Could be the first 3 picks will be QBs.

Man, I'm only on page 2 of this thread so I got loads of reading to do then trying to catch up in The Blog, too.  F me!

 

36 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

For as much as I can commend Roseman for how he’s making lemonade out of the lemons he had it doesn’t escape me he’s the guy who brought the lemons in the first place.

It's like you're reading my diary

4 hours ago, slick1234 said:

For all those that think this was a great deal just remember down the road that we are talking about "Rosebud" here as GM and he gets so caught up in collecting draft picks, drafting up, drafting down and in end has little to show for it. He's done this for years and look at the team. It just is not going to happen. 

Howie is a sled burning in a fire?

 

The good thing is that I expect 5 QBs to go in the top 10.  So, that leaves only 6 non-QB picks to go above the Eagles.  I'm sure that Chase, Sewell and Pitts will go before 12. But, the other 3 players are too tough to call:  Slater, Smith, Waddle, Surtain, Farley, Horn and Parsons. So, at least a couple of those guys should be available at 12.  But, I wouldn't be surprised if Howie does a Howie thing and drafts a DE like Paye or something.  I think Slater might be the best value pick for us at 12, if he is there because he can play all positions on the OL.  But, Horn would probably be my choice if he is there.  But, I wouldn't be upset with Waddle or Smith at that point.

Possibly 3 1st round picks next year = 3 1st round picks Howie will screw up. 🤣

They traded out of the six, for Bo Nix. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I love the trade.  We need help everywhere.  I've read somewhere that Miami wasn't going to trade with SF unless they could move back up with us.  So everyone who's mad about the four QBs being gone before we pick at 6 wasn't going to happen because Miami was not taking a QB at 3.

Also, people have no idea if this trade will be on the board later so you strike when the iron is hot to get potentially three first round picks next year.  I love Chase, Pitts not so much, but I would much rather have (Horn, Fairley, Alabama WR) at 12 and three 1st rounders next year than whomever we could have picked at 6.  

 

 

6 hours ago, Procus said:

Everybody is assuming 3 first rounders next year.  Wentz is very capable of getting injured  benched and not getting in the requisite number of snaps.

FIXED!!

The chances of Howie failing increase at 12. Good value and having 3 firsts next year is great.

But these kind of moves tend to leave them with guys who are just ok players or solid starters but not difference makers.

Yes, talent can be found outside the top 10...for other teams. 

Cox was a Reid pick. Howie's experience outside the top 10 is not good.

On the bright side, we could be looking at picks in the top 5, mid teens, and mid 20s next year. 

1 hour ago, vaff said:

We have an old, expensive roster, and we’re not very good. So we need as many good young players as possible. So I think it’s a good move. We can still get a good player in the first round this year. It’s even likely a couple of the guys we’ve been considering at 6 might be there at 12. Then we have potentially three first rounders next year. It’s a good move, but it will be up to Howie and the scouting staff to make the right picks, and it will be up to our coaching staff to develop the players — which was a weakness of the last staff. We’re too far away from contention for a guy like Chase/Pitts to make much of a difference in the short term.

 

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

It wouldn’t surprise me if 3 of those 4 you named toward the end of your post are still available when pick 12 rolls around.  

The more I think about this trade the more I like it. Sure having Chase or Pitts would have been great, but as much as people obsess about WR and skill players, they don't move the needle as much as people think. How many playoff wins has DeAndre Hopkins got? What about TO? Rodgers and Brees (two of the top 5 QBs over the past 10 years) both won their one Super Bowl without Adams or Thomas.

It helps to have weapons absolutely. But one of Waddle or Smith will be available. Whose to say they won't be more productive than Chase or Pitts? Or we could take one of the really good Defense players available.

We have Miami's first rounder. They will struggle to make the playoffs next year. Can they beat Buffalo? If not - there are will be a lot of competition for those wild card spots. Chances are we get at least a top 20 and possibly a top 15 pick for moving down 6 spots and still having a chance to take a really good player.

I may not be enamored with them, but Philly has a depth chart at WR.   * I think they need a slot/Z more than an X anyway.

The Eagles' Defense is.................no bueno.

Might Parsons be in play?

They had a hole in the 4th rd. they needed to fill.

This draft should be defense-heavy, while leaving space for said receiver, a legit #2 running back and interior OL.

I will be over the moon if J-Wad is there, but Smith "might" be able to do the job.

If Weidl puts Lowie in the closet there are other WR that would fill the void later.

 

My pipe dream is Weidl & Waddle. 😁

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

Regardless of the actual cap number, we lost 48 million in cap space restructuring.

Right now it is projected to be 203 million, we had 73 million in space before restructures, we now have 25 million, net loss of 48 million.

If the cap is 220 million, that means we would have had 90 million in cap space, instead wi will have 42 million.  

You keep missing the point, we gave away 48 million in cap space next year to due to cap mismanagement.

Regardless of the cap number, it goes up for everyone, and we will still be 23rd in cap space available, with a ton of our allocated dollars to players over 30 years old with multiple major injuries.

I don't think you understand in the slightest what I am telling you.

I understand completely what you are saying - I am saying it is flawed.

The Eagles were completely underwater coming into the off-season, sitting on over $30 mill in dead money on a QB that is not here in a year where for the first time the cap went down instead of up. Yet with all that they still signed a top ten free agent.

The Eagles are not competing for the off season salary cap trophy. It doesn't matter if they have the most or the least cap space of all teams. You keep harping on them having the 23rd most salary cap space in 2020 like it means anything right now. They can still sign players if they want to or sit on salary if they want to.

Yes, Howie made a mistake in thinking that keeping the gang together would produce another trophy so they went all in - they gambled and lost. It just unfortunately happened in a time when the salary cap went down. That is why the can got kicked to 2022. They will deal with it at that point.

All this is bluster IMHO and complaining to complain.

2 hours ago, Cheesteakitis said:

.00000009% but I guess there is a chance 

100% Chance Howie mucks it up

4 hours ago, Uscg-green said:

The one thing to be excited about and now we aren't even top ten and we didn't even get an extra pick.fire Howie! Now!

Umm we got a 1st next year. Also if anyone thinks we’re trying to trade for that dumpster fire Watson...lmao.