May 26, 20205 yr https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext Here is an observational study of 96,000 COVID-19 patients. Of which, nearly 15,000 received treatment, and 81,000 did not. "In summary, this multinational, observational, real-world study of patients with COVID-19 requiring hospitalisation found that the use of a regimen containing hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine (with or without a macrolide) was associated with no evidence of benefit, but instead was associated with an increase in the risk of ventricular arrhythmias and a greater hazard for in-hospital death with COVID-19. These findings suggest that these drug regimens should not be used outside of clinical trials and urgent confirmation from randomised clinical trials is needed."
May 26, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said: 0% chance the WH doctor ordered him to take it. One of the following 3 things is true. 1) he was never taking it, and just made it up due to the timing of the whistleblower complaint. This is just Trump’s MO. 2) he wanted to take it. And the WH Doctor, knowing he’d easily be fired and replaced if he denied his request, said ok. 3) not wanting to put the president at any adverse risk, the WH doctor said ok, but then gave him sugar pills instead of the actual drug. I was being sarcastic - I truly believe he never took it. So option 1.
May 26, 20205 yr 25 minutes ago, DBW said: I was being sarcastic - I truly believe he never took it. So option 1. Sorry, my sarcasm reader on the fritz lately 🙂
May 26, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: Just checking to see if this is a political grand standing thread rather than a thread about the corona. I see nothing has changed. Wow. Best post. Ever!
May 26, 20205 yr 17 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: Just checking to see if this is a political grand standing thread rather than a thread about the corona. I see nothing has changed. They're kind of intertwined but has been more political for awhile now
May 26, 20205 yr 31 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: Just checking to see if this is a political grand standing thread rather than a thread about the corona. I see nothing has changed. PhillyTerp tries to stick to COVID discussion, but the rest of us drag it into the political arena frequently
May 26, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, Prime said: Anyone else read this in Emeilia Clark's voice? No, but thanks. That would work.
May 26, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, sameaglesfan said: PhillyTerp tries to stick to COVID discussion, but the rest of us drag it into the political arena frequently It's become a political issue when it shouldn't be. The guy with the loudest podium made it that way... intentionally.
May 27, 20205 yr 8 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said: Just because a patient recovered who also was taking HCQ, that does not mean they recovered BECAUSE they were taking HCQ. "A patient" and 98% of patients should make you look beyond the BS that been spewed by the mainstream media.......it's all about using your head for something other than a hat rack.
May 27, 20205 yr Wasn’t that long ago that Democrat hacks in the media, and in CVON, were fantasizing about this hitting Trump supporters harder. MAY 26, 2020 Coronavirus death toll is heavily concentrated in Democratic congressional districts BY BRADLEY JONES The coronavirus outbreak has taken the lives of nearly 100,000 Americans. Yet since the start of the outbreak, the death toll has been concentrated in a just a few places – mostly large metropolitan areas, especially the New York City area. The places hit hardest by the coronavirus outbreak – which have relatively large shares of ethnic and racial minorities and residents living in densely populated urban and suburban areas – are almost all represented by congressional Democrats. A new Pew Research Center analysis of data on official reports of COVID-19 deaths, collected by the John Hopkins University Center for Systems Science and Engineering, finds that, as of last week, nearly a quarter of all the deaths in the United States attributed to the coronavirus have been in just 12 congressional districts – all located in New York City and represented by Democrats in Congress. Of the more than 92,000 Americans who had died of COVID-19 as of May 20 (the date that the data in this analysis was collected), nearly 75,000 were in Democratic congressional districts.
May 27, 20205 yr 20 minutes ago, EagleVA said: "A patient" and 98% of patients should make you look beyond the BS that been spewed by the mainstream media.......it's all about using your head for something other than a hat rack. Again, I don’t get my medical info from the mainstream media. An observational study of 96,000 hospitalized COVID patients found no benefit in the treatment group as compared to the control group. If HCQ is actually as effective as you think it is, then there shouldn’t be any problem replicating those results in the 100+ clinical trials currently underway, right?
May 27, 20205 yr 28 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Wasn’t that long ago that Democrat hacks in the media, and in CVON, were fantasizing about this hitting Trump supporters harder. Woah, hold your horses there buddy, you are way out of line. It is most dangerous in the cities where there are more democrats, that's just straight undeniable fact. Population density is lethal. But it will absolutely be hitting rural areas in America much harder than it should because of Prez Doofus and his tough guys don't wear masks BS. Nobody fantasizing about anybody dying you dumbarse.
May 27, 20205 yr 14 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Woah, hold your horses there buddy, you are way out of line. It is most dangerous in the cities where there are more democrats, that's just straight undeniable fact. Population density is lethal. But it will absolutely be hitting rural areas in America much harder than it should because of Prez Doofus and his tough guys don't wear masks BS. Nobody fantasizing about anybody dying you dumbarse. Like I said, it wasn’t that long ago. Hardly surprising that your smoke filled brain has already forgotten it. A Northwest Indiana congressional candidate is rooting for the deaths of people who demand an end to stay-at-home orders and other restrictions aimed at minimizing the spread of COVID-19. In a series of tweets, Democrat Ryan Farrar responded to the recent anti-lockdown rallies at the Indiana Governor's Residence and outside other state capitals by branding participants as "covidiots" (COVID idiots) and "MAGAts" (maggots), referring to supporters of President Donald Trump who often use the abbreviation MAGA as shorthand for Trump's "Make America Great Again" campaign slogan. Farrar tweeted: "I believe we are near the point where the covidiots' insistence that we reopen the economy, despite the clear fact it is not safe to do so, will ultimately make the COVID-19 outbreak 10x worse than it should have been. May it disproportionately kill many MAGAts, so that we never be placed in this sort of predicament again."
May 27, 20205 yr Wow. Hannity sounded sane. Followed immediately by Lara Ingram who told viewers that rules are for stupid people and that the left is trying to "scare” the populace into believing that a "second wave” will be coming. She even did the boogeyman voice.
May 27, 20205 yr Jennifer Rubin: More Republicans Than Democrats Will Die Because Right-Wing Media Is Downplaying Coronavirus Posted By Tim Hains On Date March 15, 2020
May 27, 20205 yr Daily update from the doc https://www.nothingbutthetruthmd.com/2020/05/52620-covid-19-update.html FOOLS FOR A DAY You are struggling to achieve compliance in your community with wearing masks. Do you think that people will wear masks and physically distance themselves during a Holiday Weekend Party at "Lake of the Ozarks" in Missouri? If you answered affirmatively, I have the rights to an old Gold Mine in Alaska that I would like to sell you. If you answered negatively, you have more brains than Sam Paige, County Executive, Mayor Lyda Krewson who now thinks people should self quarantine if they behaved recklessly, Dr. Rex Archer, Director of the Kansas City Department of Health. None of these three luminaries thought to be proactive in heading off this fiasco. The owner of the establishment will not take ownership of the **** show that prevailed. How was he to know who was with who? Finally, there is the Sheriff (I am trying mightily to suppress a stereotype of this guy) who stated "it was a record weekend at Lake of the Ozarks" but that a lack of social distancing is not a crime and he had no authority to enforce it. Never mind the capacity recommendations that were in effect or what leadership could have put into effect. No one will be able to say that they did not earn the consequences. MORE ON THERAPEUTICS AND VACCINES I discussed this topic on 5/22/20 JAMA Network Interview with Dr. Francis Collins Director of the National Institute of Health Dr. Collins first arrived at the NIH at the beginning of the genome project which lasted almost 13 years and is the basis for genetic sequencing which is so vital to vaccines and immunology. When it became evident that the SARS-CoV-2 virus may threaten the world, the NIH was able to design the first vaccine within 24 hours of the RNA sequencing of the virus. They accomplished in 24 hours, what a decade ago would have taken years. Their goal is to accelerate the development of therapeutic interventions and vaccines to control or eradicate this virus. As I mentioned on the 22nd, the formation of the ACTIV consortium (which Dr. Collins co-chairs) is the hopeful solution to accelerating these processes. The phase I investigation of this vaccine got underway 63 days after its design and on May 18th, the company was able to release preliminary results of the phase one trial which Dr. Collins feels look very promising. Despite combined research budgets of close to $120 billion, efforts need to be focused and combined because of limited resources. The beginning of this effort began with 600 agents that had been developed in the past but failed to progress toward their original intent and were being repurposed for potential use against Covid-19. These were reduced to 170, which was further reduced to 40 agents and finally down to six or eight agents which are now deemed worthy of clinical trial. The clinical trial capacity of the various networks had to be assessed and then the ability to start within six weeks was determined. Matching the therapeutic agent with the most appropriate clinical trial network then had to be accomplished. These networks must be matched to locales where the viral disease is actively circulating. The reason that immunologic treatments or vaccines were never developed for SARS was, with the eradication of the disease, the clinical trials had to be abandoned. Most of the therapeutic agents heading into clinical trial are geared towards treatment. What we really need is prophylactic intervention. Dr. Collins feels that monoclonal antibodies will generate the most bang for the buck. Monoclonal antibodies would be directed at both treatment and prevention. He feels that monoclonal antibodies could be ready as early as the fall. Two companies are currently making progress towards this goal. Vaccine trials should get going in July. Harmonized trials with complete transparency and sharing of data without regard to proprietary intellectual material is expected. Each vaccine trial will probably enlist 10,000 volunteers and locations with active disease will be required. The silver lining to poor compliance with wearing masks is the ability to carry out vaccine trials. If 60% or more of the population were wearing masks, a trail might not run to completion or in a timely fashion for lack of active disease. There is an ethical dilemma that is seriously bothersome to some of the researchers. During the vaccine development, there will be a "challenge phase", when healthy volunteers, who would most likely not get the disease and even less likely get a virulent form of the Covid-19, will be given a live virus that causes a disease for which there is no cure. The hope is that monoclonal antibodies will be effective and available by the fall when these "challenge phases" will be occurring. (If monoclonal antibodies are that successful why would we need a vaccine?) Another question that requires answering is whether trials in young healthy patients will be indicative of what will happen when the more vulnerable populations catch the virus. Scale up of vaccine production will of necessity begin before we actually know whether the vaccine works to reduce the wait time to administration. Numbers: 1800 from the Hopkins website Tests - no new data USA - 1,675,532 (up 1.09%, up from 1.07%) New York - 363,836 (up 0.29%, down from 0.34%, 177 fewer new cases than the day before) New Jersey - 155,764 (up 0.43%, down from 0.6%, 266 fewer new cases than the day before) Pennsylvania - 72,778 (up 1.18%, up from 0.50%) Maryland - 47,687 (up 1.13%, down from 1.79%, 297 fewer new cases than the day before) California - 97,183 (up 2.79%, up from 1.62%) South Carolina Texas - 56,412 (up 0.92%, down from 1.36%, 515 fewer new cases than the day before) World - 5,554, 469 (up 1.58%, down from 1.62%, 649 fewer new cases than the day before) Have a good night Live Safely Be Well
May 27, 20205 yr 19 hours ago, sameaglesfan said: Why don't we wait to see if he fits into the Schwartz? We have had high priced CBs as FAs that seemingly forgot how to play once they got to town This one doesn´t have an offensive line coach for a defensive coordinator though so that´s a start.
May 27, 20205 yr https://reason.com/2020/05/26/the-president-and-governors-alike-botched-the-pandemic-response/
May 27, 20205 yr 9 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: https://reason.com/2020/05/26/the-president-and-governors-alike-botched-the-pandemic-response/ I don't know why people can't see this. Failure on every level. The largest failure? US Citizens thinking "not me" You effing morons.
May 27, 20205 yr https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-putin-and-bolsonaro-anti-science-leadership-worst-coronavirus-outbreaks-2020-5 Of course, lots of help from the White House, on how to be stupid, deny science and spread the disease until we get herd immunity through half a million dead Americans.
May 27, 20205 yr On 5/26/2020 at 7:37 AM, paco said: These are the same people that theorize that humans breathe air. That's what big air wants you to think!
May 27, 20205 yr 10 hours ago, EagleVA said: "A patient" and 98% of patients should make you look beyond the BS that been spewed by the mainstream media.......it's all about using your head for something other than a hat rack. 98%+ of patients who contract COVID-19 recover. Oh, you're the flat earther. Why don't you hope on a flight from Johannesburg to Melbourne and wait for the super secret serum to put you to sleep?
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