April 25, 20205 yr 29 minutes ago, paco said: Had to go to the supermarket today. Two people way too close to me pulled their masks down to talk (one on cell phone one to a friend they bumped into) Had to go to the hardware store for some electrical supplies. One baby huey looking mf'er walks past me with no mask. I hate f'n people How can someone look around and not see every single effing person wearing a mask and then think it's ok for yourself not to wear one? We had a baby Huey lookin chick not wearing one in my store today
April 25, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, paco said: Had to go to the supermarket today. Two people way too close to me pulled their masks down to talk (one on cell phone one to a friend they bumped into) Had to go to the hardware store for some electrical supplies. One baby huey looking mf'er walks past me with no mask. I hate f'n people This feeling has intensified with me as I see way too many idiots in my store every friggin day.
April 25, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, lynched1 said: That meme was played out by this time last year. You need to get out more. Keep thinking that Dear Leader is 90th percentile IQ and doing a bang up job
April 25, 20205 yr Just put him in a room and let Pence do the press conferences. There is absolutely no way at all that what he said was sarcastic. At all.
April 25, 20205 yr Quote Supreme Court denies states’ request to suspend "public charge" rule for immigrants From CNN's Ariane de Vogue The Supreme Court denied a request Friday from New York and other states to block the Trump administration’s controversial "public charge” rule during the pandemic. The rule makes it more difficult for immigrants to obtain legal status if they use public benefits such as Medicaid, food stamps and housing vouchers. Earlier in the term, a 5-4 court said the rule could go into effect nationwide while legal challenges played out, but the states had asked the justices to reconsider that decision given the implications of the virus. The court denied the request with no noted dissents, but the justices did indicate the states could ask district courts for relief. They are literally trying to import foreigners who would immediately go on welfare in the midst of a global pandemic. While we're literally printing trillions to try to stay afloat and more than 26 million Americans have filed for unemployment since mid-March. These people are sick. Does it get any more clownworld?
April 25, 20205 yr 12 hours ago, lynched1 said: That meme was played out by this time last year. You need to get out more.
April 25, 20205 yr 13 hours ago, paco said: Had to go to the supermarket today. Two people way too close to me pulled their masks down to talk (one on cell phone one to a friend they bumped into) Had to go to the hardware store for some electrical supplies. One baby huey looking mf'er walks past me with no mask. I hate f'n people I love the people with the mask not covering their face. Cracks me up.
April 25, 20205 yr https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-04-25/catching-covid-19-may-not-shield-against-new-infection-who-says
April 25, 20205 yr 22 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-04-25/catching-covid-19-may-not-shield-against-new-infection-who-says All that says is it hasn't been confirmed that you can't get it again, that is a clickbait article
April 25, 20205 yr I'm just curious, but do people think wearing a mask will keep you from getting this virus?
April 25, 20205 yr Author 20 minutes ago, L.E said: I'm just curious, but do people think wearing a mask will keep you from getting this virus? The mask is mainly intended to prevent you from spreading the virus if you have it by containing sneeze and cough droplets. It also keeps you from touching some parts of the face that are open to viral contamination (nose and mouth), so it helps prevent catching the virus; although, it obviously does nothing for your eyes. Finally, it helps cover up your hideous excuse for a face Rocky Dennis.
April 25, 20205 yr Author LINK Quote This week has been interesting. On the one hand, hard data is emerging showing that the Coronavirus is not nearly as deadly as the numbers previously reported and that the virus is wimpy when exposed to sunlight, but none of that data seems to be quelling the irrational panic. So let’s look at this data with a heavy heart for the fallen, but with a very clear mind. The Fatality Data Fatality rates for Coronavirus of 3-7 percent have been thrown around for months. This makes the average person believe that if they contract COVID-19 then they have a 1 in 15 to 1 in 30 chance of dying. This, of course, is enough to stoke irrational fear in any rational person. However, scientists have been saying for months that given that most people that get infected with the Coronavirus have no symptoms, these fatality rates are way overestimated. Let’s dig in. The 3-7% mortality rate numbers have been due to the fact that we’re only testing the sick that show up to doctor’s offices or hospital emergency departments and not everyone who had the disease. However, both California and New York made efforts this week to publish the rate of asymptomatic/minimally symptomatic infection in their communities to try to get a better sense of the real fatality rate. California’s Data While I reported on this a few days back, I can now report a more accurate number since it’s been about three weeks since this data was reported. Hence we now have enough time for the critically ill to show up in the fatality data. Hence, the new mortality rate for Coronavirus in Santa Clara County California based on the reported data from Stanford University scientists and their public health department is 0.15%. (1,2) New York’s Data The difference between California and New York City is that the later experienced true health system overload where the former did not. Meaning New York had a shortage of PPE, ventilators, ICU beds, and healthcare workers to handle their surge. Hence, we can expect that their fatalities would be much higher. This week’s reports demonstrated that tests revealed that the Coronavirus has infected 21.2% of New York City’s residents (5). Those that were tested were out of the house shopping in a grocery store. This is an infection rate many times the approximately 3-4% infected in Santa Clara, which makes sense given the public transport and apartment living so common in New York City. I did a rough calculation of the fatality rate when this data came out based on the population of New York City (5 counties) at 0.58%. Governor Cuomo had the statewide death rate at 0.5%, which didn’t include the fewer at-home deaths. Are COVID-19 Deaths Being Over or Under-Reported? The idea of whether the COVID-19 deaths are over or under-reported has become something of a political football this past two weeks. We know that health departments and the CDC are asking doctors to code deaths as COVID-19 if they believe that this was the cause, even if testing wasn’t available (from the CDC guidance document) (6): "In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as "probable” or "presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely.” Hence, as a physician, knowing my colleagues and the fact that many hospitals will get reimbursed from approved Government grants based on the number of COVID patients treated, there would be pressure from hospital administrators to err on the side of COVID-19. In addition, in epidemiology, there is the concept of "excess deaths”. This tends to get cleaned up after the pandemic is over as it takes a careful review of hospital charts and records. An excess death means that if not for COVID-19, the patient would not have died. However, you can see how all of this could get very complicated very quickly. For example, how should a patient be counted who was in the ICU already for respiratory illness or on their death bed in a hospice facility who contracted COVID-19? These deaths will eventually be subtracted from the COVID-19 total. On the other hand, the case could be made that since a handful of people have been reported dying at home and that some cities like New York have not yet added these patients into their counts, that the COVID-19 deaths are under-reported. So who’s right? Time will tell. More Data Stanford’s Scott Atlas, M.D. a senior fellow in healthcare policy wrote an interesting editorial for "The Hill” a nonpartisan website that covers Washington politics where he shared the following information (3): The NYC death rate for those 18-45 years old is 0.01% Of all fatal cases in NY state, 2/3rds were over 70 90% of all fatal cases had an underlying illness Dr. Atlas also brings up the fact that people without COVID-19 are dying because they are not getting the needed medical care because of our COVID-19 focus. How Robust is the SARS-CoV-2 Virus? Early on there were reports that the virus could survive for days on plastic, which caused everyone to promptly disinfect the contents of their wallets. However, the National Biodefense Analysis and Countermeasures Center (NBACC) in Maryland performed some very sophisticated tests on viral durability this past week. They have a unique system where they can suspend a single water droplet containing the SARS-Cov-2 virus in a volume of air or on a surface and alter the temperature, humidity, and simulated sunlight and then retrieve that particle and look at how the virus fared. Here’s a slide from the NBACC White House Presentation on April 23rd: Basically, in humid summer conditions like those in the Northeast or Southeast, the virus survived for one hour on a nonporous surface (it survives even less time on porous surfaces). However, that’s in the shade, because when you add summer sun into the equation, regardless of the humidity or temperature, it survives only 1-2 minutes! Hence, this virus will not do well outside in the summer. Stay Shut Down or Open Up? No matter how you slice this new data, one thing is clear. If you contract COVID-19, there’s likely less than a 1 in 200 chance of dying from it. That’s about half the chances of you dying in a fatal car crash during your lifetime and yet we don’t have a second thought about getting into a car to go to the grocery store or doctor’s office. So why did we close society down? Because of the high death rates being reported of 3-7%. Those were inaccurate. Because the healthcare system was unprepared for the surge of cases. That surge has passed and we have flattened the curve. Our healthcare facilities are now prepared. The PPE log jam has broken open. How do I know? Because my office orders from the same medical suppliers as everyone else and we’re having no issues getting PPE. We don’t have enough testing! The US is performing about 1 million tests a week right now. Our tests per million inhabitants will soon surpass all other countries in the next 1-2 weeks. In addition, inexpensive finger stick serology tests are flooding US markets right now, which is one of the reasons that California and New York were able to test to many people so quickly. Herd Immunity Sweden has taken a different approach (4). While it has placed some restrictions like recommended social distancing, it’s schools are open and it’s restaurants have also continued to operate by following guidelines. The goal was to allow 60% or more of Swedes to get infected to build immunity. When that happens, it’s called "herd immunity” meaning that the virus burns itself out because it’s more likely than not that it will die in a host laden with antibodies rather than live to infect someone else. The Swedes believe they will get to that point by the middle of May. What has this meant for Sweden? Their deaths are much higher than neighboring Denmark (2,192 vs. 418) (7). Swedish cases are fewer per million population than Denmark, but so is their testing. In addition, realize that "flattening the curve” by social isolation doesn’t really change the total number of people that will eventually die from Coronavirus (unless we can find a cure or effective treatment), it just pushes the cases further out and reduces the surge. So based on what we know, Denmark’s deaths will catch up and Sweden’s deaths will likely begin plummeting. The upshot? The data is coming in and it’s not supporting that the Coronavirus should provoke irrational fear. Now that we know our foe, again, it’s time for sound public health policies based on that data. Let’s all have a heavy heart for those who have perished, but also a very clear mind about what’s real and what’s not.
April 25, 20205 yr 11 hours ago, Bill said: Just put him in a room and let Pence do the press conferences. There is absolutely no way at all that what he said was sarcastic. At all. Yeah but what does Zuke have to say about this? 😛
April 25, 20205 yr On 4/24/2020 at 1:56 PM, lynched1 said: Even Cedars-Sinai fell for it. He's a monster. This was the video explaining the work being researched at Cedar Sinai. It explained exactly what internal disinfecting was ,involving uv light inside the body. Why the president said he was being sarcastic is beyond me! You tube removed this video because it doesn’t fit the requirements,or their policies ,or left wing standards. But you can goggle cedars Sinai Uv light ,and find exactly what the president was describing ,,,it’s a joke reporters saying the president recommended to ingest disinfectant. This country is in deep ish ,,and it is left that is doing the most damage! None of the things the left hate trump for compares to the damage they doing to this country at this time,, . In past times of history our country came together in times of crisis,,In todays crisis of a world wide pandemic it seems as the only way to deal with important issues is to fight between parties. It’s not gonna matter who is president soon if the media,Democrats ,and Republicans don’t start getting on the same page and working together and do what’s best for the country as a whole. You can’t tell me what we have now is what the founding fathers tried to build.
April 25, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, Brianfive said: This was the video explaining the work being researched at Cedar Sinai. It explained exactly what internal disinfecting was ,involving uv light inside the body. Why the president said he was being sarcastic is beyond me! You tube removed this video because it doesn’t fit the requirements,or their policies ,or left wing standards. But you can goggle cedars Sinai Uv light ,and find exactly what the president was describing ,,,it’s a joke reporters saying the president recommended to ingest disinfectant. This country is in deep ish ,,and it is left that is doing the most damage! None of the things the left hate trump for compares to the damage they doing to this country at this time,, . In past times of history our country came together in times of crisis,,In todays crisis of a world wide pandemic it seems as the only way to deal with important issues is to fight between parties. It’s not gonna matter who is president soon if the media,Democrats ,and Republicans don’t start getting on the same page and working together and do what’s best for the country as a whole. You can’t tell me what we have now is what the founding fathers tried to build. Trump is Bizarro Sanders. Let that sink in.
April 25, 20205 yr https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2020/04/25/calls-to-poison-centers-spike--after-the-presidents-comments-about-using-disinfectants-to-treat-coronavirus/#3839b2271157 Calls To Poison Control Centers Spike After President is stupid or makes bad joke. Not sure which. Thanks Mr. President.
April 26, 20205 yr 21 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said: How can someone look around and not see every single effing person wearing a mask and then think it's ok for yourself not to wear one? We had a baby Huey lookin chick not wearing one in my store today The same logic led to anti vaxxers
April 26, 20205 yr 29 minutes ago, vikas83 said: In the middle of a pandemic. Smart... This one actually makes sense. Coronavirus is all that matters in that agency right now. May as will give the person in charge of coronavirus the full breadth of command over the resources.
April 26, 20205 yr The Federal Government has confirmed Chinese attempts to influence German officials, according to newspaper information. https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/covid-19-bericht-ueber-chinesische-einflussversuche-wegen.1939.de.html?drn:news_id=1124504
April 26, 20205 yr Author LINK BRUSSELS — Bowing to heavy pressure from Beijing, European Union officials softened their criticism of China this week in a report documenting how governments push disinformation about the coronavirus pandemic, according to documents, emails and interviews. Worried about the repercussions, European officials first delayed and then rewrote the document in ways that diluted the focus on China, a vital trading partner — taking a very different approach than the confrontational stance adopted by the Trump administration. The initial European Union report, obtained by The New York Times, was not particularly strident: a routine roundup of publicly available information and news reports. It cited Beijing’s efforts to curtail mentions of the virus’s origins in China, in part by blaming the United States for spreading the disease internationally. It noted that Beijing had criticized France as slow to respond to the pandemic and had pushed false accusations that French politicians used racist slurs against the head of the World Health Organization. The report also highlighted Russian efforts to promote false health information and sow distrust in Western institutions. "China has continued to run a global disinformation campaign to deflect blame for the outbreak of the pandemic and improve its international image,” the initial report said. "Both overt and covert tactics have been observed.” But China moved quickly to block the document’s release, and the European Union pulled back. The report had been on the verge of publication, until senior officials ordered revisions to soften the language. "The Chinese are already threatening with reactions if the report comes out,” Lutz Güllner, a European Union diplomat, wrote to colleagues on Tuesday in an email seen by The Times. The sentence about China’s "global disinformation” campaign was removed, as was any mention of the dispute between China and France. Other language was toned down. The delay and revisions incited anger and frustration among some diplomats and government disinformation analysts. At least one analyst formally objected, writing to her bosses that the European Union was "self-censoring to appease the Chinese Communist Party.” The fight over the document is part of a broad, global battle over the coronavirus narrative. And it comes at a time when the European Union hopes to win trade concessions from Beijing and restore a rich relationship once the pandemic has passed. Chinese officials initially tried to silence doctors and play down the seriousness of the coronavirus outbreak in the city of Wuhan late last year. Eager to have the world forget that chapter, China has also tried to focus world attention on the contributions of its scientists and its worldwide donations of medical supplies. The Trump administration has consistently blamed China for responding slowly when the virus emerged late last year and for spreading false information about the pandemic. Even after the Trump administration reached a brief truce with the Chinese government to stop trading public barbs about the crisis, both sides have resumed their finger-pointing. President Trump said last week that his government was trying to figure out whether the virus came from a Chinese lab, while China has accused the American government of trying to distract the public from its own mistakes. Against that backdrop, the European Union was expected to issue its report. Early Tuesday morning, Politico quoted from the document in its morning newsletter and said that the paper was expected to be published that day. But Chinese officials quickly contacted the European Union’s representatives in Beijing to try to kill the report, according to two diplomats with knowledge of the exchange and emails recounting the calls. The European Union, like the United States, has struggled to find a coherent approach toward combating disinformation. A task force of analysts regularly highlights foreign propaganda, but its work has been sanitized at times over political concerns. Senior officials have softened language about Russia in the past as the bloc tried to improve relations with Moscow. A report last year on pre-election propaganda stripped out all references to Russian support for certain European political groups. The new European Union report comes as the bloc is trying to get better treatment for its companies in China. Two-way trade was estimated at more than $1.6 billion per day before the pandemic. German automakers and French farmers, along with other industries, rely heavily on exports to China. Peter Stano, a European Union spokesman, said Friday that the report had not been delayed. "It is ready once it is complete, cleared in an editorial process and ready to be uploaded,” he said. On Tuesday morning, however, an email circulated inside the disinformation task force team with the subject line: "READY for publication.” A supervisor approved it and an analyst was about to publish a summary online. But Esther Osorio, a senior adviser to the European Union’s top diplomat, Josep Borrell, ordered it held, according to an email. While analysts say that the Kremlin’s tactics are intended to undermine confidence in Western governments, the Chinese government is focused more on reshaping its role in the coronavirus story and deflecting blame for the pandemic. Central and Eastern Europe, in particular, are a hotbed for disinformation tactics, diplomats say. "Poland is the petri dish for Russia and China to try out their disinformation, their trolls and bots,” the American ambassador in Poland, Georgette Mosbacher, said in an interview on Thursday. As officials in Brussels delayed publishing their report, Chinese officials in Beijing kept up the pressure with at least two high-level calls to the European representatives there, according to emails and interviews with diplomats. Chinese officials expressed alarm at the news of a coming report and urged the bloc not to release the document.
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