June 4, 20205 yr Just now, Mike030270 said: Lol talk about being assbackwards She's probably one of those people who thinks "My kids are young and healthy, it will just be like a cold for them" with zero consideration that if they catch it they are very likely to spread it. Kids do gross s***. And the way it attacks the lungs, I'm not sure that it won't have long term developmental effects.
June 4, 20205 yr 18 hours ago, EagleVA said: My conclusion isn't based on anything Trump did or said, it's based on the countless professionals I've heard praise the effectiveness of the Hydroxy protocol treatment. Moreover, back in 1983, Fauci himself praised the effectiveness of Hydroxy against I believe it was the SARS strain of the corona virus. You guys are not aware of this information because it's clear to me you haven't sought information outside of the mainstream media. I read plenty from all kinds of sources. Apparently you have no clue what the main stream media writes because there are articles out there still debating Hydroxy. The Who just reopened their study, we'll see. But for now Fauci, the CDC and WHO are not recommending it and those 3 bodies are the highest authorities we have. Yes I trust them even though I know they are not infallible.
June 4, 20205 yr 15 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said: It's hard to tell because he has never had a normal conversation about anything ever on this board. He will turn the simplest thing into the most ridiculous thing you have ever read in your life. It's not just in CVON either. "Samaje Perine will be a better RB than Christian McCaffrey" "Robert Kelly is a lock to be picked in the 1st" - literally becomes Mr Irrelevant
June 4, 20205 yr Working from home, or going back into the office is my next decision. I don't want to think about it right now. Making a list of all the acknowledgements that need to go out, also made a list of people that I have been in contact with, let alone I was in and out of the hospital for 3 days. I am leaning towards waiting a couple of weeks just to be safe. I started getting really nervous over the weekend as I wasn't feeling good. Sore throat, chest hurt, but no fever. Believe I narrowed it down to allergies as our home is like a floral shop. So beautiful, but making me feel bad. Moved some away from where I'm working and have taken allergy meds for a couple days and I do feel a bit better than I did.
June 4, 20205 yr Not sure if its due to increase in testing or early opening, but Florida just had 1,300+ and 1,400+ new cases in back to back days about 3 weeks after full Phase 1. Those, I believe are the 2nd and 3rd highest new daily cases since it has been tracked. Phase 2 starts tomorrow.
June 4, 20205 yr 47 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said: Not sure if its due to increase in testing or early opening, but Florida just had 1,300+ and 1,400+ new cases in back to back days about 3 weeks after full Phase 1. Those, I believe are the 2nd and 3rd highest new daily cases since it has been tracked. Phase 2 starts tomorrow. NC had it's highest spike right before we went into phase 2. We're in phase 2 until the 26th. Though we may see a huge spike in 2 weeks because of the protests so not sure if we'll go to the next phase
June 4, 20205 yr All you have to do is look at video of the aborted space launch, or the beaches to see the Florida idiots licking each other's salt.
June 4, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said: Not sure if its due to increase in testing or early opening, but Florida just had 1,300+ and 1,400+ new cases in back to back days about 3 weeks after full Phase 1. Those, I believe are the 2nd and 3rd highest new daily cases since it has been tracked. Phase 2 starts tomorrow. Not good. I'm leaving for FL or Sat, be there for a couple weeks. Gonna be tough to keep social distancing down there.
June 4, 20205 yr 19 hours ago, downundermike said: Don't get him started on 911, he will change your mind quickly about doing a good job. You guys will get slapped around on that topic.
June 4, 20205 yr 4 hours ago, dawkins4prez said: But for now Fauci, the CDC and WHO are not recommending it and those 3 bodies are the highest authorities we have. No, they may be the e highest 3 authorities you have, as for me, I consider them a bunch of lying con-artists.
June 4, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, EagleVA said: No, they may be the e highest 3 authorities you have, as for me, I consider them a bunch of lying con-artists. Ok. But just so we are clear, the leading voices in favor of Hydroxy are the CDC equivalents of governments like Brazil and India (who produces and sells it).
June 4, 20205 yr 37 minutes ago, EagleVA said: No, they may be the e highest 3 authorities you have, as for me, I consider them a bunch of lying con-artists. But Trump, him you believe. The Bakersfield docs, them you believe.
June 5, 20205 yr Daily updates from the doc https://www.nothingbutthetruthmd.com/2020/06/6320-covid-19-update.html Reference: The Urgency and Challenge of Opening K-12 Schools in the Fall JAMA NETWORK JUNE 1, 2020 There is no doubt that returning our children to school is critically important for more reasons than just the education. It is society's obligation to provide a safe and effective educational environment to meet the needs of our children. It is left to the parents to decide if they wish for their minor children to take advantage of the environment that society provides. The parental choice should be an informed decision based on each families needs and circumstances. In a risk/reward scenario, I cannot enumerate the rewards, which will differ for each family. The risks however can be examined. In a previous email I reported (May 31, 2020) some data on Covid-19 infection rates in those under the age of 20 and the severity of the disease in this population. In China, the incidence of Covid-19 infections in those under 20 was 1.3%. In a recent Study in the United States, the incidence of Covid-19 infections in individuals under 20 was 1.7%. The incidence of severe infection in this 1.7% was only 0.58%. Thirty of the 46 participating hospitals did not have a single case of severe pediatric Covid 19. In fact, almost half of the severe cases came from two Hospitals, one in Washington D/C and one in New York. There are probably many states that have not had a single case of severe pediatric Covid-19. Many of these severe cases had one or more comorbidities. In New York City, as of May 13, 2020 there have been nine pediatric deaths, six of the patients had pre-existing comorbidities. The risk of becoming infected with Covid-19 in the pediatric population is unknown. At present we do not have an educated idea of the number of asymptomatic carriers, but we do know that the risk of having a severe presentation in the symptomatic patients is very, very small. We do not know whether the immune system of pediatric patients prevents infection or prevents severe presentation. Severe infection in children are even rarer for those children who are healthy. Zero risk is unrealistic, almost everything we do has attached risk. In 2019 there were 25 school shootings, resulting in 43 injured students and eight deaths. On a yearly basis there are approximately seven students killed in school bus accidents (in 2019 there were five students and five bus drivers) and 19 students are killed getting on and off the school bus. (mostly under 10) The Covid-19 numbers do not take into consideration the measures that can be taken in the school systems, through mitigation efforts, to reduce these small numbers even further. The chance of contracting Covid-19 in the pediatric population is small, a severe case is rare. Currently more children have died of Influenza related illness in the United States this year than of Covid-19 It is imperative to consider these numbers rationally and let them be the basis for decisions by all those involved. This effort to open the schools must be a community effort. The compliance of the community with mitigation efforts will determine the underlying prevalence of the disease in any locale which will have great bearing on the chance of a child being infected with the virus. Fifty-five million children have missed months of school. More than 20 million children rely on school breakfast and lunch. Countless thousands have lost access to health services through school. Many have lost access to home computers or high speed internet. The impact of this disruption will be greatest on those students who are already at educational or social risk. Concerns with child abuse and neglect will go underreported and uninvestigated. 1. Conditions for a successful reopening must be created. Whether closing the schools had a beneficial effect on decreasing the transmission of Covid-19 is not clear, but the virus was spreading so rapidly and we knew so little about this novel virus that was still in its infancy, that it seemed prudent at the time. There are countries that did not close their school systems or did so for only a short period of time, and they have fared well. Controlling the pandemic is the best way to prevent widespread closure in the future. Driving down the spread of Covid-19 by testing, tracing and isolation along with mitigating practices embraced by the community can be successful. 2. Establishing distancing in schools, desks six feet apart, staging drop offs and pickups, closing common areas, limiting non-essential visitors, cancelling extracurricular activities that require close contact and having staff and older children wearing masks when physical distancing is not possible. 3. Strong Public Health and Environmental responses with daily screening process, good hand hygiene, adequate supplies, scheduled disinfecting of high touch areas, and communicating with Public Health Officials for suspected infected children. 4. The valid concerns of parent and teachers must be taken into consideration. There will be teachers and parents who will be unwilling to be involved no matter the numbers and the steps taken to protect the system. Alternative means should be found to educate these children. Teachers not wishing direct contact with students can be utilized for the online and virtual learning classes. Accommodations for the vulnerable students who are at increased risk of severe infection must be found. 5. Link curricula , teaching strategies and remote learning technologies. Given the likelihood of blended learning, as well as the possibility of fully remote learning, (which should not happen if we as a society act responsibly) plans should be developed for both. School Systems need to develop plans with input from all stakeholders, the educators must become the educated. The needs for social support will be great. Pouring money into the system without a well thought plan is not sustainable. Experts talk about the extra funds that Congress should appropriate as if the cherry trees in Washington have suddenly transformed into money trees. Many of the nations hospitals, with very little time, transformed their clinical models in response to the urgent needs of the Covid-19 victims. In short order they created new pathways and processes. The school systems have had months to plan for a resumption of classes and the need to educate our children. They are not facing the unknowns that the healthcare system was forced to cope with. The healthcare system had no way of knowing the numbers, the presentations, or the levels of acuity that they would face, and yet it was accomplished. The school system knows the numbers of students, those with special needs and those who are vulnerable. Just as in healthcare, funds will be appropriated as the situation declares itself. Studies will need to be accomplished eventually to determine what worked and what did not. Now is not the time to waste resources and talent on such investigations. We have few months to design a never before tried system, and we need all our intellect focused on the problems we face now. I would hope that the schools systems are at least as successful in meeting the needs of their students as healthcare was in meeting the needs of its patients. NUMBERS: 1800 from the Hopkins website Tests - no new data USA - 1,847,412 (up 1.10% down from 1.27%, 2794 fewer new cases than the day before) New York - 374,085 (up 0.28%, down from 0.35%, 284 fewer new cases than the day before) New Jersey - 161,545 (up 0.32%, down from 0.38%, 104 fewer new cases than the day before) Pennsylvania - up 0.71% down from 0.77%, 24 fewer new cases than the day before) Maryland - 54,982 (up 1.48%, down from 1.59%, 35 fewer new cases than the day before) California - 117,560 (up 1.42%, down from 2.59%, 1279 fewer new cases than the day before) Maryland Texas - 68,360 (up 2.69%, up from 1.5%) Have a great night Live Safely Be Well
June 5, 20205 yr https://www.nothingbutthetruthmd.com/2020/06/6420-covid-19-update.html MORE ON RETURNING CHILDREN TO SCHOOL References: Children in the Eye of the Pandemic Storm - Lesson from New York City JAMA Network June, 2020 School Closure During the Coronavirus Disease 2019 (Covid-19) Pandemic JAMA Network May 2020 Children Are Not Covid-19 super spreaders: Time To Go Back to School Archives of Disease in Childhood May 2020 At present there is insufficient data to to allow an evidence based decision on key risk elements germaine to the issue of returning children to school. We are left to rely on reports and observations that allow inferences on the risks associated with returning to school. From a report from a single center in New York City, 61% of the children admitted to the hospital for Covid-19 had comorbidities and 89% of those critically ill had comorbidities. In Iceland, screening of targeted and invited individuals failed to find Covid positive tests in children under 10 years of age. The general population had an incidence of 0.8% In Vo Italy, 86% of the population was screened and again failed to find Covid positive tests in children under the age of 10. In the general population there was a 2.6% incidence of positive tests. There are reports that suggest that children are less likely to spread the disease to others. A report from South Wales Australia failed to demonstrate spread of Covid-19 from infected children to other children or adults. Children are not likely to be the index case QUANTITATIVE BIOSCIENCES RESEARCH GROUP AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, SAN FRANCISCO At the beginning of March there were 22 labs associated with this organization, now there are over 40 labs, hundreds of scientists from around the world and a few pharmaceutical houses that have joined this collaborative effort. They have developed a protein-protein interactive map looking at the connection between SARS-CoV-2 protein and human cells. They are focusing on these interactions as a way of predicting useful targets for pharmaceutical intervention. Their aim is to utilize repurposed drugs that would have potential affinity for these cell-virus protein interactions. They are focusing on repurposed drugs because many of these agents have already received safety approval from the FDA and others are in clinical trials seeking to clarify their safety issues. This accelerates the process of finding a potential pharmacologic intervention. Remember that the virus needs a host to survive, and the assumption is that these protein-protein interactions are identifying proteins that the virus needs for survival They are focusing on the human protein binding sites because human cells do not mutate as quickly as the virus does so there is less likelihood of developing resistance. Another advantage is that many viruses target the same human proteins so we might find pharmaceuticals that would be of utility against other viruses, maybe SARS-CoV-24. There are 29 genes associated with the virus. There are 20,000 genes in each human cell, and the virus needs the products of these genes/. So far they have identified 300 proteins that they believe the virus needs. Of these 300 proteins, there are 69 proteins for which there is a known drug affinity to target it. 30 of these drugs have already received FDA approval and 12 more are involved in clinical trials to establish their safety. In some extremely elaborate studies, viral protein are labeled and and the preparation is expressed into human cells and after incubation, they pull them up (they refer to this as hooking) to determine which human proteins are sticking to them. They have shared this technique with 318 laboratories around the world for free. At present, they have narrowed down the interactions to two different classes of drugs: 1. Drugs involved with protein translation - proteins that are required to make other proteins 2. Drugs that interfere with protein modulation There are currently evaluating these agents under laboratory conditions looking for viral inhibition. NUMBERS: 1800 from the Hopkins website Tests - 922,961 in the last 48 hours USA - 1,867,595(up 1.09%, down from 1.10%, 23 fewer new cases than the day before) New York - 375,133 (up 0.28% unchanged from the day before) New Jersey - 162,530 (up 0.28%, down from 0.32%, 61 fewer new cases than the day before) Pennsylvania - 78,335 (up 0.71% unchanged from the day before) Maryland - 55,858 (up 1.59%, up from 1.48%) California - 120,583 (up 2.57%, up from 1.09%) South Carolina Texas - 68,877 (up 0.75%, down from 2.69%, 1212 fewer new cases than the day before) Have a great night Live Safely Be Well
June 5, 20205 yr https://marlin-prod.literatumonline.com/pb-assets/Lancet/pdfs/S0140673620313246.pdf Quote Retraction—Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysisAfter publication of our Lancet Article,1 several concerns were raised with respect to the veracity of the data and analyses conducted by Surgisphere Corporation and its founder and our co-author, Sapan Desai, in our publication. We launched an independent third-party peer review of Surgisphere with the consent of Sapan Desai to evaluate the origination of the database elements, to confirm the completeness of the database, and to replicate the analyses presented in the paper.Our independent peer reviewers informed us that Surgisphere would not transfer the full dataset, client contracts, and the full ISO audit report to their servers for analysis as such transfer would violate client agreements and confidentiality requirements. As such, our reviewers were not able to conduct an independent and private peer review and therefore notified us of their withdrawal from the peer-review process. Gee, apparently a prime maker of the drug didn't actually turn over all the data. Surprise, surprise.
June 5, 20205 yr On 6/4/2020 at 12:26 PM, LeanMeanGM said: Not sure if its due to increase in testing or early opening, but Florida just had 1,300+ and 1,400+ new cases in back to back days about 3 weeks after full Phase 1. Those, I believe are the 2nd and 3rd highest new daily cases since it has been tracked. Phase 2 starts tomorrow. Make that 3 days in a row above 1,300. Today was 1,305 new cases. For comparison, last week was roughly 600 new cases each day with some lows around 400 and some highs around 800.
June 5, 20205 yr Just now, LeanMeanGM said: Make that 3 days in a row above 1,300. Today was 1,305 new cases. For comparison, last week was roughly 600 new cases each day with some lows around 400 and some highs around 800. Odd that. I wonder what it could be that's causing this uptick? Antifa, perhaps?
June 5, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Odd that. I wonder what it could be that's causing this uptick? Antifa, perhaps? Hatred of Trump is making liberals deliberately infect their kids and grandparents.
June 5, 20205 yr 11 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Hatred of Trump is making liberals deliberately infect their kids and grandparents. I think that's something the media should be looking into.
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