June 9, 20205 yr Author LINK Quote Satellite images from China suggest coronavirus began spreading in October, researchers say by Tom Avril, Updated: June 9, 2020- 5:09 PM Satellite images of hospital parking-lot traffic suggest the coronavirus may have originated as early as October, two months earlier than in the official account from Chinese authorities, according to scientists at Boston Children’s Hospital and Boston University. That conclusion was further supported by an analysis of internet search traffic for the Chinese words for cough and diarrhea, the authors wrote. The research has not yet been published in a peer-reviewed journal, and therefore should be viewed as preliminary. But the use of these two kinds of traffic — automobile and internet — is a plausible approach, said Paul Digard, professor of virology at the University of Edinburgh, who was not involved in the study. "Using search engine data and satellite imagery of hospital traffic to detect disease outbreaks is an interesting idea with some validity,” he told Science Media Centre, a science communications nonprofit. Chinese officials, who have been accused of being slow to disclose information about the virus, rejected the findings. At a news briefing Tuesday, a spokesperson for the country’s foreign ministry called the analysis "incredibly ridiculous," Reuters reported. The first known case occurred in early December, the government says. Still, the country’s original accounting was flawed in at least one respect, the head of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention told the Wall Street Journal in late May: the virus does not appear to have jumped from animal to human at the live-animal market in Wuhan. While most of the initial cases were identified in patients who had spent time at the market, 14 had no direct connection. Boston Children’s epidemiologist John S. Brownstein, senior author of the new satellite study, agreed. "That Wuhan market may have been an innocent bystander,” he said. The scientific consensus remains that the virus jumped to humans from a wild animal, not as the result of an accident with laboratory animals in China, as some U.S. government officials have alleged. Genetic evidence suggests the virus spread from a bat to an intermediate species before infecting humans, though its true origin may never be known with certainty. A clearer picture of the timeline, on the other hand, may be within reach. Researchers have tackled that question in various ways, such as analyzing the genetic code of various strains of the virus. Several studies suggest it originated weeks before the Chinese government says it did, in early December. Brownstein and his colleagues analyzed commercial satellite images of six hospital parking lots in the Wuhan area. The number of parked cars increased markedly in early October, as compared with the same month a year earlier said Brownstein, who also has an appointment at Harvard Medical School. Vehicle volume then dipped below normal in January and February, coinciding with China’s coronavirus lockdown, he said. Internet search traffic for cough and diarrhea also increased during the fall, he and his coauthors found. Searches for cough coincided with a rise in influenza, but there is no known explanation for a rise in diarrhea besides COVID-19, he said. Digard, the Edinburgh professor, cautioned that a more thorough analysis would have included satellite images and search traffic from elsewhere in China. Another limitation: satellite images were not available prior to 2018. Brownstein agreed that more research is needed. "The idea of this study was to try to add another data element to try to help build the story,” Brownstein said. "It’s not definitive, but it provides this new area of evidence to dig deeper into.”
June 9, 20205 yr My brther in Law's wife who is a nurse told me this weekend that she beleives in a new theory that it is just a bacteria and curable with aspirin. We are doomed.
June 10, 20205 yr 6 hours ago, Gannan said: Apparently it was one study with a small sample size that reached the conclusion that non symptomatic spread was rare. We probably shouldn't get too carried away with it. Yes, not to mention there have been other studies that do show asymptomatic spread. The thing is, it's very hard to track the infectiousness of an asymptomatic carrier. For a symptomatic carrier, the median incubation period is 5 to 6 days. You typically become infectious 2 to 3 days after inoculation. You remain infectious until 8-10 days after symptoms develop. After that point, you can still shed dead viral particles for WEEKS, so you'd still test positive on a PCR test, but you are no longer infectious. So for someone who is an asymptomatic carrier who tests positive on a PCR test, how do you know where they are on the timeline? They could have been infectious WEEKS ago and not known it.
June 10, 20205 yr Will blaming a future spike in the Kung Flu on the riots be considered racist? Asking for a friend.
June 10, 20205 yr https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/10/health/us-coronavirus-wednesday/index.html Will the deaths from the second wave be thanks to a-holes like you, lynched1? Why yes, yes they will. You and all the morons pretending the virus is a hoax and that mask wearing and social distancing is for sheep.
June 10, 20205 yr On 6/3/2020 at 4:01 PM, EagleVA said: Right, both are BS. You should check out the 2020 thread. There is some loon over there that actually believes in gravity.
June 10, 20205 yr 5 hours ago, Jsvand12 said: You should check out the 2020 thread. There is some loon over there that actually believes in gravity. Ahhh yes, gravity. Here's my take on gravity, if you want to define gravity as what goes up must come down then gravity exist. If you want to tell the story that gravity causes one body to attract another body so it will keep the smaller body in orbit around the larger body then I say BS, that's nothing but a fairy tale. I can get deeper into the topic but there's no need.
June 10, 20205 yr Just now, EagleVA said: Ahhh yes, gravity. Here's my take on gravity, if you want to define gravity as what goes up must come down then gravity exist. If you want to tell the story that gravity causes one body to attract another body so it will keep the smaller body in orbit around the larger body then I say BS, that's nothing but a fairy tale. I can get deeper into the topic but there's no need. Are you religious?
June 10, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Are you religious? That has nothing to do with gravity, but yes, I'm a believer.
June 10, 20205 yr Just now, EagleVA said: That has nothing to do with gravity, but yes, I'm a believer. I'm having a really hard time understanding how you could say this statement: 5 minutes ago, EagleVA said: Ahhh yes, gravity. Here's my take on gravity, if you want to define gravity as what goes up must come down then gravity exist. If you want to tell the story that gravity causes one body to attract another body so it will keep the smaller body in orbit around the larger body then I say BS, that's nothing but a fairy tale. I can get deeper into the topic but there's no need. And then be a religious person. You realize the irony in that, right? I mean, unless you acknowledge that religion is a fairy tale you choose to believe.
June 10, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, Paul852 said: And then be a religious person. You realize the irony in that, right? I mean, unless you acknowledge that religion is a fairy tale you choose to believe. Let's get specific here, I'm of the Christian faith, if you think that's a fairy tale then that's you're opinion. As far as gravity being a fairy tale, build me a model on any scale of one body orbiting another body due to gravitational attraction and I'll change my opinion, neither you nor anyone ever has or ever will because it's BS that doesn't happen.
June 10, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, EagleVA said: Let's get specific here, I'm of the Christian faith, if you think that's a fairy tale then that's you're opinion. As far as gravity being a fairy tale, build me a model on any scale of one body orbiting another body due to gravitational attraction and I'll change my opinion, neither you nor anyone ever has or ever will because it's BS that doesn't happen. 1 minute ago, EagleVA said: Let's get specific here, I'm of the Christian faith, if you think that's a fairy tale then that's you're opinion. As far as gravity being a fairy tale, build me a model on any scale of one body orbiting another body due to gravitational attraction and I'll change my opinion, neither you nor anyone ever has or ever will because it's BS that doesn't happen.
June 10, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, EagleVA said: Let's get specific here, I'm of the Christian faith, if you think that's a fairy tale then that's you're opinion. As far as gravity being a fairy tale, build me a model on any scale of one body orbiting another body due to gravitational attraction and I'll change my opinion, neither you nor anyone ever has or ever will because it's BS that doesn't happen. if someone proved it to you based on your own guidelines you'd still deny it.
June 10, 20205 yr Just now, Alpha_TATEr said: if someone proved it to you based on your own guidelines you'd still deny it. No one ever has nor ever will prove gravity as it's been presented to us. Moreover, I don't have an ego, I'm not afraid to admit being wrong, many will never admit to being wrong, their prideful ego's get in the way.
June 10, 20205 yr Just now, EagleVA said: No one ever has nor ever will prove gravity as it's been presented to us. Moreover, I don't have an ego, I'm not afraid to admit being wrong, many will never admit to being wrong, their prideful ego's get in the way. Without even getting into the mountain of proof for gravity, why do you choose to believe in God when there is zero proof?
June 10, 20205 yr 19 hours ago, Mlodj said: LINK anecdotal....but a fb friend of my wife & her kids recently tested positive for the antibodies. they were really sick back in december after travelling to nyc & thought it was just a really bad flu. never sick since then. weird.
June 10, 20205 yr 6 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Without even getting into the mountain of proof for gravity, why do you choose to believe in God when there is zero proof? Rust said it best
June 10, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: anecdotal....but a fb friend of my wife & her kids recently tested positive for the antibodies. they were really sick back in december after travelling to nyc & thought it was just a really bad flu. never sick since then. weird. I got the worse fever I have ever had when I was in Disney in February. I think it has been in the US as well
June 10, 20205 yr 8 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: anecdotal....but a fb friend of my wife & her kids recently tested positive for the antibodies. they were really sick back in december after travelling to nyc & thought it was just a really bad flu. never sick since then. weird. FWIW evidently the false positive rate is super high. A friend of mine was calculating out the chances of getting 3 separate false positives (him, his wife, and child) based on the stats on the test available to them through work and it was still something ridiculous like 15%. Granted that doesn't take into account them all being close and their infections related, and the current tests are MUCH better than nothing, but still it gives some perspective.
June 10, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: anecdotal....but a fb friend of my wife & her kids recently tested positive for the antibodies. they were really sick back in december after travelling to nyc & thought it was just a really bad flu. never sick since then. weird. The week before I broke my ukn’ leg I was sick for a week. All COVID symptoms except I had a terrible sore throat also. had antibody test done last week. Negative. Was just the flu or some sheet like that.
June 10, 20205 yr 13 minutes ago, EagleVA said: No one ever has nor ever will prove gravity as it's been presented to us. Moreover, I don't have an ego, I'm not afraid to admit being wrong, many will never admit to being wrong, their prideful ego's get in the way. The issue is it would call into question many things you believe in. so yeah, I call BS on this post. 2 minutes ago, bobeph said: The week before I broke my ukn’ leg I was sick for a week. All COVID symptoms except I had a terrible sore throat also. had antibody test done last week. Negative. Was just the flu or some sheet like that. more like aids.
June 10, 20205 yr Just now, Alpha_TATEr said: The issue is it would call into question many things you believe in. so yeah, I call BS on this post. more like aids. Can’t get AIDS twice, brah. Once you’ve got it, you’ve got it forever
June 10, 20205 yr Did Trump's people come back with any results on the UV light and disinfectants to fight COVID? Did they use this on Tiffany? Is that why she isn't around?
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