June 11, 20205 yr 41 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: smegma call you liar and coward because protests not same...smegma mad 😠. The outrage must be equal!
June 11, 20205 yr 23 minutes ago, paco said: I don't think you could have made less sense if you tried. He was saying if protesters can go out, why not nascar fans. He also made no mention of not having safety protocols (distancing, masks, etc) at the race. You then, for god knows what reason, come out of left field and try to equate antifa rioters with nascar fans. When I point out that you are some how trying to put the two on equal footing, you word vomit all over yourself about soros and what not. 🤡 Anybody who goes out and spreads the disease is an idiot. I didn't defend anyone, zuker went ballistic.
June 11, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Toastrel said: All protesters are antifa. I thought you knew? The checks from Soros make it all possible. I believe the correct spelling is soroS.
June 11, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: The county going D is temporary IMHO. In my entire adult life it's been like 52-48 republican, and every election for commissioner goes to republicans. 2018 was a pretty unique year, and 2020 is shaping up to be as well. I'm hopeful that Trump gets absolutely f'ing demolished in November, like historically demolished, and the Republican party goes back to its roots (at least tonally) and in 2-4 years there's some relative normalcy. First time since the 80’s that the Dems held the county seat, and that lasted one term. I think it was one term.
June 13, 20205 yr Florida keeps spiking. After 6 out of 7 days with over 1,000 new cases (980 being the one day that didn’t) it now jumped to 1,900 new cases yesterday and 2,600 new cases today.
June 13, 20205 yr On 6/10/2020 at 2:13 PM, EagleVA said: Ahhh yes, gravity. Here's my take on gravity, if you want to define gravity as what goes up must come down then gravity exist. If you want to tell the story that gravity causes one body to attract another body so it will keep the smaller body in orbit around the larger body then I say BS, that's nothing but a fairy tale. I can get deeper into the topic but there's no need. Gravity exists because heavier masses weigh down the space time continuum, causing other smaller masses to be attracted to them because the space time continuum is slanted towards the heavier masses.
June 13, 20205 yr 58 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: Plagued usually take two years to get under control, not two months... We are all likely to be in lockdown again this winter.
June 13, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, TEW said: Plagued usually take two years to get under control, not two months... We are all likely to be in lockdown again this winter.
June 13, 20205 yr 13 minutes ago, Mike030270 said: You can see the growth in Houston... they’re already talking about another lockdown, and this is during the summer. In Houston. Imagine 5 months from now when it starts getting cold out again.
June 13, 20205 yr Author 19 minutes ago, TEW said: You can see the growth in Houston... they’re already talking about another lockdown, and this is during the summer. In Houston. Imagine 5 months from now when it starts getting cold out again. I blame Dave Moss.
June 13, 20205 yr 4 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said: Florida keeps spiking. After 6 out of 7 days with over 1,000 new cases (980 being the one day that didn’t) it now jumped to 1,900 new cases yesterday and 2,600 new cases today. That’s what happens when you open up free, drive-thru testing sites. It didn’t "spike” as much as reveal itself.
June 13, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, hey suess said: That’s what happens when you open up free, drive-thru testing sites. It didn’t "spike” as much as reveal itself. At least in my area, free drive through testing with no drs note/no symptoms has been available for over 6 weeks, with a three day turnaround. So increase is expected but it’s not solely due to testing. Florida also had to close some of its testing because there wasn’t enough demand at some sites and also they had to use national guard for protests in the major cities. It also has been steadily rising starting around 3-4 weeks since things started opening up. You can’t explain away the increases just to testing, especially if hospital utilization is increasing, which What the F said a few pages back.
June 13, 20205 yr 23 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said: At least in my area, free drive through testing with no drs note/no symptoms has been available for over 6 weeks, with a three day turnaround. So increase is expected but it’s not solely due to testing. Florida also had to close some of its testing because there wasn’t enough demand at some sites and also they had to use national guard for protests in the major cities. It also has been steadily rising starting around 3-4 weeks since things started opening up. You can’t explain away the increases just to testing, especially if hospital utilization is increasing, which What the F said a few pages back. Three weeks ago they opened the drive-up testing site at the local college. 5 people per car, 18 years old and over only. Surprise-surprise the countys numbers went up. SHOCKED
June 13, 20205 yr 9 minutes ago, hey suess said: Three weeks ago they opened the drive-up testing site at the local college. 5 people per car, 18 years old and over only. Surprise-surprise the countys numbers went up. SHOCKED I don’t think Florida’s increase in cases can be explained by increase in testing capacity. Will have to look at the data more closely when I’m at a computer, but they had some weeks in May with some significant testing as well. For instance May 16 to May 21, they conducted over 200,000 tests. For the last 6 days they conducted about 150,000. The 6 days before that, around 175,000.
June 14, 20205 yr 13 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said: I don’t think Florida’s increase in cases can be explained by increase in testing capacity. Will have to look at the data more closely when I’m at a computer, but they had some weeks in May with some significant testing as well. For instance May 16 to May 21, they conducted over 200,000 tests. For the last 6 days they conducted about 150,000. The 6 days before that, around 175,000. this is what I want to see. DeSantis's explanation sounds plausible, but he's not releasing hospitalization numbers to confirm. I think at this point that's probably the best source - what does the hospital utilization look like? he's saying it's still down, outside of a couple of isolated breakouts that they're managing. IF that is the case, and the number spikes are localized, I think things are working ok. it means testing is happening broadly, and because of that they're able to identify potential outbreaks and mitigate. we'll see.
June 14, 20205 yr Wifes hospital on June 10th had 122 covid patients admitted. As of last night at 1130pm they are up to 141. Of those 141, 37 are in icu. Increased testing alone isn't causing these crazy spikes in numbers in Florida. More people are sick. More people are being hospitalized. Don't bother arguing with those that say the numbers are only going up because of more testing. You will not change their minds. They are the same people that say this is just a flu.
June 14, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: this is what I want to see. DeSantis's explanation sounds plausible, but he's not releasing hospitalization numbers to confirm. I think at this point that's probably the best source - what does the hospital utilization look like? he's saying it's still down, outside of a couple of isolated breakouts that they're managing. IF that is the case, and the number spikes are localized, I think things are working ok. it means testing is happening broadly, and because of that they're able to identify potential outbreaks and mitigate. we'll see. I don’t expect to ever get real answers from him especially after he took his little victory lap when Pence came a month ago. Plus now they are holding the RNC and guaranteeing a packed house so everything is going to be rainbows and sunshine from his mouth
June 14, 20205 yr 4 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said: I don’t expect to ever get real answers from him especially after he took his little victory lap when Pence came a month ago. Plus now they are holding the RNC and guaranteeing a packed house so everything is going to be rainbows and sunshine from his mouth yeah a lot of die hard conservatives I’ve talked to aren’t voting for him next time around. His goose is cooked. He started off ok and did a lot better than I thought he would but his lack of leadership and political experience showed in droves with COVID. Most of it stems from the unemployment system being a complete joke.
June 15, 20205 yr Update from the Doc https://www.nothingbutthetruthmd.com/2020/06/61420-covid-19-update.html WHAT WOULD IT BE LIKE TO HAVE EFFECTIVE LEADERSHIP AND A COMMITTED PUBLIC? Cast a glance at New Zealand. A country of five million with seven cities with populations greater than 100,000 and Auckland with close to 1.5 million. Prime Minister Jacinda Arden was consistent, committed, vocal and visible. She has lead her country tirelessly and gained the cooperation and support of her citizens. It has now been 21 days since New Zealand has had a SINGLE case of Covid-19. New Zealand has eradicated the virus!! This weekend they had a rugby match with 52,000 in attendance. They shut down for a while, distanced, wore masks, tested and isolated, and they won. Hawaii has a population density of 81/square mile, New Zealand is 47/square mile, neither are particularly dense. Both have shut down their borders (must quarantine for 14 days when entering) but Hawaii is continuing to register new cases every day. DR. FACUI AGREES, WE MAY NOT SEE A SECOND WAVE!! EFFECTS OF CONVALESCENT PLASMA TREATMENT - TIME TO CLINICAL IMPROVEMENT IN PATIENTS WITH SEVERE OR LIFE THREATENING COVID-19 JAMA 6-3-20 From Wuhan China 103 patients with severe to life threatening Covid-19 disease were randomized to receive either Convalescent Plasma Therapy (CPT) versus standard treatment. The trial began 2/14/20 and ended 4-1-20. This trial was ended prematurely secondary to the lack of patients. By the end of March China had substantially reduced the transmission of the disease to such a degree that it became evident to the investigators that sufficient numbers of patients would not be recruited for statistical power. There was no difference in statistical outcome of the patient groups but the study was most likely underpowered. This may not be disappointing. To me, the important element of this study was the fact that randomization/treatment occurred on average on day 30, after the onset of symptoms. We know now, that after about eight days of symptoms, virus can no longer be cultured (there are at least four studies that I am aware of that confirm this) from the bloodstream or clinical samples obtained from diseased patients. I would think that a treatment (antibodies) designed to confront the virus would not be successful at 30 days because it appears that by that time viable virus are no longer present. Whatever is going on systemically, is not the result of continued viral invasion of cells. Illness at 30 days is the result of a cascade of events that was initiated by cellular invasion by virus much earlier in the disease when viable virus existed. I would not expect an antiviral treatment to have a meaningful impact on outcome when there was an absence of living virus. Antivirals will need to be given much earlier (in the first eight days) in the disease to be beneficial. RT-PCR Tests False Negative Tests for SARS-CoV-2 Infection - Challenges and Implications NEJM 6/5/20 The FDA has granted Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to commercial test manufacturers and issued guidelines on test validation. These guidelines require analytic and clinical test performance. Analytic sensitivity indicates the likelihood that a test will be positive for material containing virus strands at the minimum level of detection for the test. That is there is a limit below which the test will not pick up viral presence. Analytic specificity indicates the likelihood that the test will be negative for material containing pathogens other than the target virus. Clinical sensitivity is the proportion of positive tests in patients who in fact have the disease in question. Prior to covid-19, this was accomplished by testing patients that a group of experts agreed had the disease by testing and clinical manifestations. It is unclear under EUA, whether any FDA authorized test have been assessed in this manner. Rather under EUA, the FDA allows companies to demonstrate clinical sensitivity test performance by establishing the new tests agreement with an authorized RT-PCR test on known positive material from symptomatic patients or contrived specimens. A contrived specimen is created by taking viral material and mixing it with clinical specimens. As of 6/1/20 there is no reported data assessing clinical sensitivity on asymptomatic patients. False negative rates are dependent on the probability of the disease in the environment, and the sensitivity of the tests. Most of the current tests have sensitivities greater than 70%. The probability of a Covid-19 patient is low and therefore false negative rates are generally less than 5%. NUMBERS I have been tacking states weekly now. The numbers on the left are the new cases in the time interval noted. The numbers on the right are the number of new tests in the time period noted. For this data (1) = 6/13 - 6/7 (2) = 6/6 -5/31 Alabama (1) 4101 (2) 2104 (1) 29,585 (2) 25,951 Connecticut (1) 1026 (2) 1617 California (1) 16,831 (2) 14,168 (1) 345,344 (2) 348,019 Florida (1) 9614 (2) 6595 (1) 144,641 (2) 146,241 Georgia (1) 4903 (2)4323 (1) 54,893 (2) 53,009 Illinois (1) 4975 (2) 6630 Iowa (1) 2050 (2) 1926 (1) 29,366 (2) 26492 Louisiana (1) 3475 (2) 2570 (1) 66,851 (2) 50,390 Maryland (1) 3332 (2) 4704) Michigan (1) 867 (2) 1346 (1) 72,391 (2) 87,750 Mississippi (1) 2070 (2) 1268 data does not seem reliable New Jersey (1) 2441 (2) 3448 (1) 115,349 (2) 210,561 New York (1) 4533 (2) 6546 Ohio (1) 2372 (2) 2598 Pennsylvania (1) 2250 (2) 3160 (1) 52,416 (2) 52,011 South Carolina (1) 3669 (2) 1592 data does not seem reliable Texas (1) 11,033 (2) 9266 (1) 148,840 (2) 132,146 Wisconsin (1)1683 (2) 2168 Of the nine states that had increasing numbers, two did less tests in the most recent time period, two had a minor increase in tests in the most recent time period, two had unreliable data. Pennsylvania did the same number of tests in each time period but the number of new positives decreased by 29%. I do not believe that a valid inference can be drawn from the number of tests performed and the number of positive tests at this time. I will be tracking hospital beds of the above states, but not all of the states publish that data. I had been tracking this data on some of the states. Of the states that I had been tracking and who had increasing numbers this week California stayed about the same, Florida does not publish that data, Georgia went up in beds utilized, South Carolina went up 15%, Texas increased by 25%. Texas is a state that did more testing this week, the fact that they had more patients sick enough to require hospitalization has nothing to do with the number of tests again weakening any correlation between number of tests and number of positives. California has had increasing cases for four weeks in a row, Florida for five weeks in a row, South Carolina five weeks in a row, Georgia for two weeks in a row, and Texas four out of the last five weeks in a row. Have a great day Live Safely Be Well
June 15, 20205 yr Arizona governor, despite spike in cases and the hospitals going into emergency mode, says he won't institute a mask policy, because you have to learn to live with the virus. I am fairly certain, you cannot learn to live with being dead. That's just my opinion.
June 15, 20205 yr Quote Dr. Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, told "Fox News Sunday" host Chris Wallace that scientists don't know why coronavirus cases are surging in certain states and not in others. "We're not sure what's happening," Osterholm said. "We have 22 states where we have cases increasing, eight where it's level, and 21 states where it's decreasing." https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/scientists-coronavirus-cases-surge-some-states A good scientist says "I don't know" when they don't know.
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