34 minutes ago, Lloyd said:

Ugh. First people cry for the economy to open (aka: LIBERATE [state]). Then states say, "Cool, we'll open. Just don't infect these low wage workers who are keeping the shelves stocked, or serving you burgers or whatever."  And now that's somehow a violation of their rights, too. 

So essentially, what these patriots want to do is "pretend away" the pandemic because the sacrifice of occasionally wearing a mask for their fellow countrymen is too much. 

It wasn't a trumper

I'll be flying to Florida next week - I'll make sure I report back here in a few weeks after I don't get coronavirus 

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

It wasn't a trumper

Hell, I don't need it to be a Trumper. I'm just talking about our dumbest Americans who drape themselves in the flag over their "rights" when they're just crying for the right to breathe all over some grocery clerk making $7.50 an hour. 

Well, I guess that demographic leans Trumper. So I understand your need to clarify.  

10 minutes ago, Lloyd said:

Hell, I don't need it to be a Trumper. I'm just talking about our dumbest Americans who drape themselves in the flag over their "rights" when they're just crying for the right to breathe all over some grocery clerk making $7.50 an hour. 

Well, I guess that demographic leans Trumper. So I understand your need to clarify.  

I made the clarification because I've seen posts in here making it seem like Trumpers are the only ones. They're not

26 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Now Fauci is being attacked...along with anthem protests. It's a two for one of idiocy.

 

It's really good that he's paying attention to the important things.

Well we are green in my area and people were waiting in line to get in my store with no mask. We told them about it and they simply said they had a medical issue... 

Just now, Bwestbrook36 said:

Well we are green in my area and people were waiting in line to get in my store with no mask. We told them about it and they simply said they had a medical issue... 

I thought you're supposed to shop for them in that case.

1 minute ago, Paul852 said:

It's really good that he's paying attention to the important things.

Way to mix 2 disasters he managed so well together

 

Just now, Paul852 said:

I thought you're supposed to shop for them in that case.

The bigger chains won't let people step foot in their establishment without one. We are a little more leanient on it being that we are a local family owned chain.. really wish we crack down on it a bit more. 

It doesn't matter they are flooding the restaurants and bars all over the place every bar or restaurant I drove by had at least 100 cars and people packed on the inside and outside and that was before even going green. that was in the Lehigh Valley where I drove through on Weds who is one of the worst places for the virus in the state!

1 minute ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

The bigger chains won't let people step foot in their establishment without one. We are a little more leanient on it being that we are a local family owned chain.. really wish we crack down on it a bit more. 

It doesn't matter they are flooding the restaurants and bars all over the place every bar or restaurant I drove by had at least 100 cars and people packed on the inside and outside and that was before even going green. that was in the Lehigh Valley where I drove through on Weds who is one of the worst places for the virus in the state!

Yeah, it is probably going to be a rough summer.

 

48 minutes ago, toolg said:

 

That probably puts a nail in the coffin for any baseball this year.  

46 minutes ago, toolg said:

 

Short of keeping all players in vacuum sealed storage sheds when they're not practicing, I'm not sure what the league was expecting. You're not going to have 30 teams with 25 active players with however many coaches with however many family members at home getting through a season without infection.  Your choices were either to shrug it off or to cancel the season. 

If the virus was an issue they cared about then, "Committing to the health and welfare of our players" is the opposite of holding training camp. 

 

 

10 minutes ago, Lloyd said:

Short of keeping all players in vacuum sealed storage sheds when they're not practicing, I'm not sure what the league was expecting. You're not going to have 30 teams with 25 active players with however many coaches with however many family members at home getting through a season without infection.  Your choices were either to shrug it off or to cancel the season. 

If the virus was an issue they cared about then, "Committing to the health and welfare of our players" is the opposite of holding training camp. 

 

 

People saying this seals baseball's fate just shows how people do not think things through, it is much better to contract the virus now then during the season, the next spring training did not even start yet so how could this be worse then getting it during the season? it isn't, this is a better thing because if you have an ounce of common sense you know that most likely some will get it during the season . This season will not be played because of greed and if anyone falls for any other reason given you are a damn fool

17 minutes ago, Joe Hunter 73 said:

People saying this seals baseball's fate just shows how people do not think things through, it is much better to contract the virus now then during the season, the next spring training did not even start yet so how could this be worse then getting it during the season? it isn't, this is a better thing because if you have an ounce of common sense you know that most likely some will get it during the season . This season will not be played because of greed and if anyone falls for any other reason given you are a damn fool

A few things.

-I think this shows how the MLB didn't think things through. They're the ones who now have to shut down camp because they - somehow - didn't expect a large gathering of people to spread a global virus.

-Getting it now doesn't mean you won't get it during the season. There have been many people who've been reinfected. This isn't chicken pox - "get it once and you're good for life"

-You say this season will not be played because of greed...but it seems that greed is what inspired the attempt in the first place, despite logic telling us that it was nearly impossible. 

https://reason.com/2020/04/14/we-can-track-covid-19s-spread-without-violating-privacy/

 

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We Can Track COVID-19's Spread Without Violating Privacy

The coronavirus is no excuse to intrude on people's lives unnecessarily. Tech provides decentralized systems for contact tracing.

ANDREA O'SULLIVAN | 4.14.2020 8:30 AM

(Elenabsl / Dreamstime.com) 

As the weeks of quarantine and social distancing drag on, many justifiably wonder when life can start getting back to normal. It's not just cabin fever: Shutdowns mean real economic pain for millions of Americans, to say nothing of the mental and sometimes physical tolls of isolation. Getting Americans back to work is a public health concern, too.

We simply can't expect people to stay cooped up for a year or longer, as some have suggested. And there are reasons for cautious optimism anyway: Although the data are hazy and ever-changing, decreasing rates of infection and death in parts of Asia, Europe, and the United States suggest that non-pharmaceutical interventions like better hygiene and social distancing have indeed made COVID-19 more manageable.

But we can't just blindly open the gates and infect vulnerable populations that overwhelm the health care supply, either. Not only could that scenario increase the threats to health care workers and first responders, it could compel people to stay home more often anyway for fear of the virus, which would create the same economic problem that the re-opening was trying to fix.

The challenge is how to intelligently get closer to normal without letting COVID-19 transmissions get out of control. The specific pathway to open the United States back up is still unclear, but we'll probably need at least three things to do so: near-universal mask-wearing, targeted mass testing, and a virus-tracing surveillance system.

The first two conditions should find few dissenters. We should make sure that our essential workers have enough personal protective equipment, but in the meantime, pandemic civilians can dramatically cut down on the viral spread by simply wearing a good homemade mask. Strategically testing to determine where the virus has spread is similarly a no-brainer, since it allows us to separate virus-free "green zones" that can be loosened up from beleaguered "red zones" that need to continue control measures.

But when you start talking about "surveillance," many may understandably chafe. In our age, the word is synonymous with rights-defying government snooping, and so it immediately smacks of a conspiracy to spy.

Yet surveillance has a more innocuous meaning in the context of public health. The official definition is the "ongoing, systematic collection, analysis, and interpretation of health-related data essential to planning, implementation, and evaluation of public health practice, closely integrated with the timely dissemination of these data to those responsible for prevention and control." Less spying on your Facebook messages to see whether you're up to no good, more looking at seasonal influenza trends to determine which vaccine to recommend this year.

For the COVID-19 pandemic, public health surveillance mostly means contact tracing. When an infectious disease is in a manageable state, outbreaks can be contained by identifying who is sick and "tracing" the other people with whom they have made "contact." Those sick patients can then be surgically quarantined to stop the spread while their contacts are monitored to see whether they too develop symptoms. Mean

 

1 minute ago, Lloyd said:

Getting it now doesn't mean you won't get it during the season. There have been many people who've been reinfected. This isn't chicken pox - "get it once and you're good for life"

This is not entirely true. They really don’t know if people can be reinfected. 

I don’t think we are going to have an NFL season this year.   A few things.

1) unless I missed it, I haven’t heard plans of isolating players and staff during the season.  So they can contract it from outside sources.

2) just by the nature of the way the game is played, if someone is a carrier, they absolutely will spread it to others. 

3) unlike other sports, football has a significant number of obese players.  People who are obese are at higher risk of suffering critical illness and death as a result of this virus.   So this could spell tragedy for some players.

2 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

This is not entirely true. They really don’t know if people can be reinfected. 

I've seen articles on people who've been reinfected. So, I suppose we can phrase it this way - we don't know if people can be reinfected. And we don't know that infection guarantees future immunity. 

Just now, Lloyd said:

I've seen articles on people who've been reinfected. So, I suppose we can phrase it this way - we don't know if people can be reinfected. And we don't know that infection guarantees future immunity. 

Post em then. I have seen speculation that people have been reinfected but most of those are due to unreliable testing. Most studies mean toward not being reinfected but time will tell. 

2 minutes ago, Lloyd said:

I've seen articles on people who've been reinfected. So, I suppose we can phrase it this way - we don't know if people can be reinfected. And we don't know that infection guarantees future immunity. 

a few people have been reinfected. what I think that shows is that getting it once reduces but doesn't eliminate the chance you'll get it again. but in theory your body should be much more capable of fighting it off or, if you do develop symptoms, managing them.

6 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

Post em then. I have seen speculation that people have been reinfected but most of those are due to unreliable testing. Most studies mean toward not being reinfected but time will tell. 

This is the one I saw yesterday that inspired me to speak on this in the first place:

https://www.9news.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/woman-tests-positive-twice-covid-19-coronavirus-colorado/73-772b5764-a15b-46b7-8946-c88f30397955

But earlier on, I saw this. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/18/health/coronavirus-antibodies.html

And earlier than that, I saw this as well

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-reinfection-explainer/explainer-coronavirus-reappears-in-discharged-patients-raising-questions-in-containment-fight-idUKKCN20M124

 

7 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

a few people have been reinfected. what I think that shows is that getting it once reduces but doesn't eliminate the chance you'll get it again. but in theory your body should be much more capable of fighting it off or, if you do develop symptoms, managing them.

That's fair, if that's the case. 

 No one has been confirmed reinfected. If reinfection were possible hospitalized number of people would not be coming way down in jersey and New York. Those people now have the anti bodies. Since things are open now and numbers still down shows this. I can find an article saying something that supposedly confirms anything I want or I can look at the numbers and decide. People still have antibodies from the Spanish flu. Of course a reputable scientist is going to say they can’t guarantee immunity but when they say that the media runs with it and posts articles saying oh no you may not be safe and might get reinfected and then people repost the articles on Facebook and other places scaring everyone. One hyped up fear mongering  article I saw said you will be immune for a few months after but it is unknown after that. Well gee no crap most people got it within the last few months so you can’t say for 100 % accuracy you will be safe so let’s write an article scaring people. Sad it has to be said but do not trust anything coming from the media,left or right, the care only about ratings and keeping people scared. Follow the numbers. If a few months from now the numbers sky rocket on jersey for example be concerned, but if not then just relax, but even then with things open here and numbers dropping the media will find a way to keep you scared because if you are scared you are still watching them and not living your life. Just follow the numbers not CNN or FOX. And do I really need to say not to listen to anything coming from China?