8 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Florida broke 4K in a day, will most likely be over 100k total cases by Monday

You guys need to go back on lockdown. Don't worry though. NC may be right along with you

14 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

You guys need to go back on lockdown. Don't worry though. NC may be right along with you

 Not going to happen unless hospitalization/deaths sky rocket 

Seems like athletes and staff within several sports organizations are getting infected all over the place right now. This doesn't bode well for sports returning any time soon. 

4 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said:

Seems like athletes and staff within several sports organizations are getting infected all over the place right now. This doesn't bode well for sports returning any time soon. 

Nope. Baseball in particular seems pretty cooked.  

I really have to hand it to the progressive liberals for holding out in this hoax for so long with such commitment.

3 hours ago, Toastrel said:

I really have to hand it to the progressive liberals for holding out in this hoax for so long with such commitment.

TDS is a powerful and motivating addiction. 

22 hours ago, Dawkins 20 said:

Seems like athletes and staff within several sports organizations are getting infected all over the place right now. This doesn't bode well for sports returning any time soon. 

Yeah I'm starting to think it's all going to be shut down too.  F

On 6/20/2020 at 2:40 PM, Smokesdawg said:

These maniacs out there not wearing masks are really annoying. Stop politicizing masks. They work. 
Saw some woman at Home Depot screaming at another woman because of mask. 

I really don't understand it at all other then it is the ME,ME,ME culture fully on display.

Wear a mask - it is simple and effective and start caring about other human beings.

 

 

Not great news.

Antibody decay speaks to the likelihood of reinfection.

Memorial Herman (the largest hospital) here in Houston is almost at capacity with COVID-19 patients and this idiot is like, "Nope. Not real. Not happening. It's all fake."

47 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

Memorial Herman (the largest hospital) here in Houston is almost at capacity with COVID-19 patients and this idiot is like, "Nope. Not real. Not happening. It's all fake."

Houston has a mandatory mask order starting today I believe, but even last night a lot of people at the grocery store weren’t wearing masks.  🤔

Edit:  Harris County

1 hour ago, mayanh8 said:

Not great news.

Antibody decay speaks to the likelihood of reinfection.

I was reading about this. I posted the nature.com study earlier here somewhere. From what I gather, it's a bit misleading.

There are doctor's on this board who can probably correct or expand on this, but this is my understanding: The specific anti-bodies decline quickly. But the memory does not. If the virus is encountered again, the body can produce the correct anti-bodies.

You don't have a bunch of anti-bodies floating around your body all the time for every virus you've ever encountered. Your immune system however "remembers" viruses and can produce the appropriate anti-bodies when it identifies a particular virus. 

59 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

Memorial Herman (the largest hospital) here in Houston is almost at capacity with COVID-19 patients and this idiot is like, "Nope. Not real. Not happening. It's all fake."

Why the crap is an economist weighing in on epidemiology with this level of certainty and impact? It's completely irresponsible.

He's right. There is no second wave, since morons didn't stop the spread of the disease to cause the first wave to decrease.

LINK

From the first reports coming out of Wuhan, Iran and later Italy, we knew that losing your sense of smell (anosmia) was a significant symptom of the disease. Now, after months of reports, both anecdotal and more rigorous clinical findings, we think we have a model for how this virus may cause smell loss.  One of the most common causes of smell loss is a viral infection, such as the common cold, sinus or other upper respiratory tract infections. Those coronaviruses that don't cause deadly diseases, such as COVID-19, SARS and MERS, are one of the causes of the common cold and have been known to cause smell loss.  In most of these cases, sense of smell returns when symptoms clear, as smell loss is simply the result of a blocked nose, which prevents aroma molecules reaching olfactory receptors in the nose. In some cases, smell loss can persist for months and years.

For the novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2), however, the pattern of smell loss is different. Many people with COVID-19 reported a sudden loss of sense of smell and then a sudden and full return to a normal sense of smell in a week or two.  Interestingly, many of these people said their nose was clear, so smell loss cannot be attributed to a blocked nose. For others, smell loss was prolonged and several weeks later they still had no sense of smell. Any theory of anosmia in COVID-19 has to account for both of these patterns.  This sudden return of a normal sense of smell suggests an obstructive smell loss in which the aroma molecules cannot reach the receptors in the nose (the same type of loss one gets with a clothes peg on the nose).

Now that we have CT scans of the noses and sinuses of people with COVID-19 smell loss, we can see that the part of the nose that does the smelling, the olfactory cleft, is blocked with swollen soft tissue and mucus – known as a cleft syndrome. The rest of the nose and sinuses look normal and patients have no problem breathing through their nose.  We know that the way SARS-CoV-2 infects the body is by attaching to ACE2 receptors on the surface of cells that line the upper respiratory tract. A protein called TMPRSS2 then helps the virus invade the cell.  Once inside the cell, the virus can replicate, triggering the immune system's inflammatory response. This is the starting point for the havoc and destruction that this virus causes once in the body.

Initially, we thought that the virus might be infecting and destroying the olfactory neurons. These are the cells that transmit the signal from the aroma molecule in your nose to the area in the brain where these signals get interpreted as "smell".  However, an international collaboration showed recently that the ACE2 proteins the virus needs to invade the cells were not found on the olfactory neurons. But they were found on cells called "sustentacular cells", which support the olfactory neurons.  We expect that these support cells are likely to be the ones that are damaged by the virus, and the immune response would cause swelling of the area but leave the olfactory neurons intact. When the immune system has dealt with the virus, the swelling subsides and the aroma molecules have a clear route to their undamaged receptors and the sense of smell returns to normal.

So why does smell not return in some cases? This is more theoretical but follows from what we know about inflammation in other systems. Inflammation is the body's response to damage and results in the release of chemicals that destroy the tissues involved.  When this inflammation is severe, other nearby cells start to be damaged or destroyed by this "splash damage". We believe that accounts for the second stage, where the olfactory neurons are damaged.  Recovery of smell is much slower because the olfactory neurons need time to regenerate from the supply of stem cells within the lining of the nose.  Initial recovery is often associated with distortion of the sense of smell known as parosmia, where things don't smell like they used to. For many parosmics, for instance, the smell of coffee is often described as burnt, chemical, dirty and reminiscent of sewage.

Olfaction has been called the Cinderella of the senses because of its neglect by scientific research. But it has come to the forefront in this pandemic. The silver lining is that we will learn a lot about how viruses are involved in smell loss from this. But what hope is there for people with a loss of smell now?  The good news is that the olfactory neurons can regenerate. They're regrowing in almost all of us, all of the time. We can harness that regeneration and guide it with "physiotherapy for the nose": smell training.  There is solid evidence that many forms of smell loss are helped by this repeated, mindful exposure to a fixed set of odorants every day and no reason to think it won't work in COVID-19 smell loss.

Simon Gane, Consultant Rhinologist and ENT surgeon, City, University of London and Jane Parker, Associate Professor, Flavour Chemistry, University of Reading.

President Orangina told people at his rally he told the government to slow down testing, because DUH, that's how you get more cases.

This morning, this is another of his "jokes"

 

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bv8jm5/the-burn-your-mask-challenge-is-even-dumber-than-eating-tide-pods

I moved from one stupid state to another

This guy is a bit of a whack job,  and i'm not even sure what he means by this, but what he's saying with DeSantis wanting to change guidelines also wouldn't surprise me

 

 

2 hours ago, Toastrel said:

He's right. There is no second wave, since morons didn't stop the spread of the disease to cause the first wave to decrease.

If only we could have had people abstain from rioting instead of the encouragement of gathering in large groups by local and state officials. 

He can’t even answer the question directly.   

 

This may be a controversial statement, but if the increase in cases is primarily among the 20-30 year old crowd, then this could actually be a positive. If there is an immunity to getting it again, then people who generally speaking have the ability to recover from the virus getting it and helping move towards herd immunity is not a bad thing. Obviously, older people and people with co-morbidities need to stay very cautious, and these millennials and Gen Z folks need to not go visit their parents for a while. But this is somewhat expected given a transition away from full lockdown to more of a "protect the vulnerable" stance. 

The data to watch is ICU bed capacity and making sure that isn't overwhelmed. Infecting a bunch of relatively healthy people in their 20s and 30s isn't overly concerning. 

is it true that the # of cases is going up but the fatality rate seems to be going down?  thought i heard that on the radio this morning. haven't watched/read any news in a few days. 

 

2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

is it true that the # of cases is going up but the fatality rate seems to be going down?  thought i heard that on the radio this morning. haven't watched/read any news in a few days. 

 

That seems to be correct as the increase in cases seems to be among the younger and healthier. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/22/health/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html

10 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

 

If only we could have had people abstain from rioting instead of the encouragement of gathering in large groups by local and state officials. 

Or going to Trump rallies, or going to the beach, or going to the bar or when you go to your "private club meetings" to talk about your user ID here.