1 minute ago, Toastrel said:

Or going to Trump rallies, or going to the beach, or going to the bar or when you go to your "private club meetings" to talk about your user ID here.

I don't like people enough to attend "private club meetings". 

Now my user ID has your panties twisted? Nice. 

10 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

I don't like people enough to attend "private club meetings". 

Now my user ID has your panties twisted? Nice. 

I just assume you are proud of the people you have lynched.

Trump just keeps America on the WINNING path!!!

4 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

I just assume you are proud of the people you have lynched.

I have lynched no one. Not in the term that twist your panties.

I am partial to tossing people from helicopters. 😂

1 hour ago, mr_hunt said:

is it true that the # of cases is going up but the fatality rate seems to be going down?  thought i heard that on the radio this morning. haven't watched/read any news in a few days. 

 

You can probably attribute that to the expanded testing.  Quite a few young people early on who might have had it probably weren't tested (given the lack of available tests) if they had mild symptoms or were asymptomatic.  Now pretty much anybody who thinks they were exposed can get one.  That and, at least in PA, it really ripped through the LTC facilities early on which probably inflated the death rate given that most of those people already had compromised health to begin with.

 

25 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

is it true that the # of cases is going up but the fatality rate seems to be going down?  thought i heard that on the radio this morning. haven't watched/read any news in a few days. 

 

I've been checking this site daily since this all went down.  That seems to be the case

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

45 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

is it true that the # of cases is going up but the fatality rate seems to be going down?  thought i heard that on the radio this morning. haven't watched/read any news in a few days. 

 

Yup.  Makes sense. Catching more mildly symptomatic/asymptomatic cases is going to raise the identified cases without having much of an effect on identified deaths since if you made it to the hospital you were getting tested even in the early days. The utility is in identifying and isolating those people and their circle before they spread it too much. 

Of course the "The virus is getting less deadly!" rhetoric is already in full swing though. 

 

NC is supposed to move out of phase 2 on Friday. Governor is going to make a decision on if we're going to the next phase or staying in 2 or backtracking. My guess is going to the next phase even with the increase in cases

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This guy is a bit of a whack job,  and i'm not even sure what he means by this, but what he's saying with DeSantis wanting to change guidelines also wouldn't surprise me

 

if they're in the ICU, wouldn't that implicitly mean they all need "intensive level of care"?

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

That seems to be correct as the increase in cases seems to be among the younger and healthier. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/22/health/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html

that will help make any surge in cases more manageable, at least directly. the concern though is that a bunch of relatively healthy people out living their lives are going to keep spreading this thing like crazy, and if/when it does will the immune compromised start filling up hospitals?

3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

if they're in the ICU, wouldn't that implicitly mean they all need "intensive level of care"?

Yea, I don't understand that part. It's all apparently from this article which still doesn't really describe anything better.

 

26 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

 

Younger does not mean healthier. I seen vastly more out of shape 30 year olds then in moderately decent shape 

2 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Younger does not mean healthier. I seen vastly more out of shape 30 year olds then in moderately decent shape 

That's why this is worse in the USA than other places. We're a fat, unhealthy country.

33 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

NC is supposed to move out of phase 2 on Friday. Governor is going to make a decision on if we're going to the next phase or staying in 2 or backtracking. My guess is going to the next phase even with the increase in cases

I don't see it happening.  In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if right after the 4th he starts to shut us down again.  Meanwhile, Sweden is giving us a good example of what happens when the government control the healthcare industry.  Citizens become costs, and costs must be contained

 

Quote

 

The health authorities have received many complaints about how elderly relatives were treated. A consistent theme is that nursing home residents with suspected Covid-19 were immediately placed on palliative care and given morphine and denied supplementary oxygen and intravenous fluids and nutrition. For many this was effectively a death sentence.

"People suffocated, it was horrible to watch. One patient asked me what I was giving him when I gave him the morphine injection, and I lied to him,” said Latifa Löfvenberg, a nurse. "Many died before their time. It was very, very difficult.”

How could that happen?

The problem seems to have been the guidelines issued by the National Board of Health and Welfare. At the start of the pandemic it suggested that doctors triage patients according to their so-called biological age, weighing overall health and the prospects for recovery, before making treatment decisions…

The idea was to keep hospital ICUs from being overwhelmed by older patients with a low chance of survival. However, the surge never happened. Instead, the elderly were denied access to unused facilities. "These guidelines have too often resulted in older patients being denied treatment, even when hospitals were operating below capacity,” according to critics who spoke to the WSJ. "Occupancy in the country’s intensive-care units, for instance, has yet to exceed 80%, according to government officials.”

That devolved into active killing:

Yngve Gustafsson, a geriatrics specialist at Umea University, told the BMJ that the proportion of older people in respiratory care nationally was lower than at the same time a year before, even though people over 70 were the worst affected by Covid-19. He, too, was aghast at the practice of doctors prescribing a "palliative cocktail” for sick older people in care homes over the telephone.

"Older people are routinely being given morphine and midazolam, which are respiratory-inhibiting,” he told the Svenska Dagbladet newspaper, "It’s active euthanasia, to say the least.”

 

 

Don't think it could happen here?  See NY, and New Jersey, and Michigan.....

6 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

I don't see it happening.  In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if right after the 4th he starts to shut us down again.  Meanwhile, Sweden is giving us a good example of what happens when the government control the healthcare industry.  Citizens become costs, and costs must be contained

 

 

Don't think it could happen here?  See NY, and New Jersey, and Michigan.....

We had a massive spike the first Friday of phase 2. We've since kept increasing

Yes that did happen here in Sweden. I can confirm that this is the accepted description by the populace though the Govt won’t confirm it.  It is pretty standard healthcare triage which is a fact of any central system. 

The idea that we as a country would eliminate private insurance and force people on government health care is laughable. 

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

We had a massive spike the first Friday of phase 2. We've since kept increasing

An increase, yes, I wouldn't characterize it as a "massive spike".  Positives were up again yesterday, although hospitalizations were down slightly.  I still don't think it's anywhere near a level to shut the economy down again, but I could see Cooper doing it anyway.

1 minute ago, Gannan said:

The idea that we as a country would eliminate private insurance and force people on government health care is laughable. 

And that’s the thing. One can always buy additional private insurance as a complement or get it as a benefit from an employer. 

5 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

An increase, yes, I wouldn't characterize it as a "massive spike".  Positives were up again yesterday, although hospitalizations were down slightly.  I still don't think it's anywhere near a level to shut the economy down again, but I could see Cooper doing it anyway.

It was the highest spike of the state at the time

Just now, DrPhilly said:

And that’s the thing. One can always buy additional private insurance as a complement or get it as a benefit from an employer. 

It's a boogie man. Notice the democrats running on that notion lost. Less than 10% of the country supports getting rid of private insurance and putting everyone on medicare. Where most people are is that people who can't get insurance should be able to get a decent plan through the federal government. It won't stop the Trumpbots from trotting out the tired narrative of "If we don't vote for Trump, the government will control your health care", but I guess they need some reason to talk themselves into supporting that total zero. 

Got a haircut finally. Mask and gloves for me and the stylist. Feel human again...

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Got a haircut finally. Mask and gloves for me and the stylist. Feel human again...

Schmoopie did mine with the same clippers we use for our mini schnauzer. 

3 hours ago, Gannan said:

The idea that we as a country would eliminate private insurance and force people on government health care is laughable. 

Give it a few years.