February 16, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: True, the vaccinated get sick, but don't end up in the hospital or die like the unvaccinated do. However those who are vaccinated, who get Omicron are not in equal numbers to the unvaccinated who get it. It's not even close. You’re wrong there sir. Pretty much everyone gets Omicron. Look at the countries with huge vaccination rates and see what happened.
February 16, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: In warning to U.S., COVID rates soar after Denmark lifts all restrictions "This marks the transition to a new era for all of us, because Denmark will once again be an open society, completely open,” said Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen. "We dare to believe that we are now through the critical phase." Since then, however, Denmark has continued to record more COVID-19 cases per capita than nearly anywhere else in the world, and both COVID hospitalizations and deaths have shot up by about a third. "Not looking good in Denmark,” Dr. Eric Topol, founder and director of the Scripps Translational Institute, tweeted Sunday, sharing several charts that terminated in near-vertical upward lines. "Deaths are now 67% of peak, with a steep ascent.” So their cases went up when everyone else's cases went up in Nov-Feb?
February 16, 20223 yr 32 minutes ago, Toastrel said: The U.S. Has Had a Million 'Extra' Deaths Since the Pandemic Began https://gizmodo.com/the-u-s-has-had-a-million-extra-deaths-since-the-pande-1848547641 But how can this be? The fake virus doesn't kill anyone and any death numbers are GREATLY exaggerated by doctors who make more money off COVID deaths. Everyone knows this. I would have thought that someone of your advanced age would have figured out how averages work by now. Wrong again.
February 16, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, paco said: I think a better question is how we had a million "extra" deaths when we haven't even hit a million deaths from\with COVID? Because the other 50K deaths were from things other than Covid? Or Covid cases are slightly undercounted? Either one is pretty plausible.
February 16, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, The_Omega said: I would have thought that someone of your advanced age would have figured out how averages work by now. Wrong again. Please explain, zuker. Tell us all how averages explain the extra million excess deaths. I'll wait while you stick your head back into your ass on your next fact finding mission.
February 16, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: You’re wrong there sir. Pretty much everyone gets Omicron. Look at the countries with huge vaccination rates and see what happened. Interesting. Seems to me there is a difference between the two. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/11/briefing/omicron-deaths-vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated.html Some of the timeliest data on Covid-19 outcomes by vaccination status comes from New York City and the Seattle area, and the two are telling a consistent story. Cases for vaccinated and unvaccinated residents alike are rising: Image Data is age adjusted. Recent data may be incomplete.Credit...Sources: New York City Department of Health, Washington Department of Health They’re rising because vaccination often does not prevent infection from the Omicron variant. It reduces the chances substantially — as you can see above — but vaccinated people still face a meaningful chance of infection. What vaccination does is radically reduce the chance of severe Covid illness. Look how different these charts on hospitalizations looks from the previous charts on cases: Image Data is age adjusted. Recent data may be incomplete.Credit...Sources: New York City Department of Health, Washington Department of Health (The number of Americans hospitalized with Covid has surpassed last winter’s peak.) Some experts believe that the hospitalization gap between the vaccinated and unvaccinated is even larger than these charts suggest. The official data on Covid hospitalizations includes many people who are hospitalized for other reasons — say, a heart condition or a bicycle crash — and who test positive for the virus while being treated. About one-third of Covid hospitalizations fall into this category, according to a recent analysis at the University of California, San Francisco. In New York State, 43 percent of people hospitalized with Covid were admitted for other reasons. It’s true that some of these incidental Covid hospitalizations still cause problems. The virus can harm people whose bodies are weakened by other medical conditions, and all Covid cases put added stress on hospitals, because patients must be isolated. ("Hospitals are in serious trouble,” Ed Yong writes in The Atlantic.) Still, many incidental Covid cases in hospitals do not present much risk to the infected person. And Omicron is so contagious that it has infected many vaccinated people, likely inflating the hospitalization numbers more than previous variants have. The death gap The data on deaths from New York and Seattle underscores the relatively low risks for vaccinated people. These numbers show a starker gap between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated than the hospitalization data: Image
February 16, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: So their cases went up when everyone else's cases went up in Nov-Feb? With one of the highest vaccination rates in the world. Same story in Norway and also Sweden. Each of these three burned thru the entire population more or less.
February 16, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Because the other 50K deaths were from things other than Covid? Or Covid cases are slightly undercounted? Either one is pretty plausible. This then opens the door for the "Then how many people who died "from" COVID were on deaths door anyway?" argument.
February 16, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, Kz! said: Fantastic thread on the unscientific claims that get tossed around here: So observational studies are good when it says horse paste is completely fine but not for the vaccines. Yeah, ok.
February 16, 20223 yr Sorry didn’t read any of that and don’t need to. Omicron burns thru the population vaccinated or not. Those vaccinated will have milder cases and no need for hospitalization except in a very small percentage of cases. The unvaccinated are at significantly higher risk of getting seriously ill and even dying. Easy and straightforward.
February 16, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, paco said: This then opens the door for the "Then how many people who died "from" COVID were on deaths door anyway?" argument. Not sure why that number tells you that. If it were the other way, and Covid were being overcounted, then I could see why it would raise some skepticism, but it's being undercounted (or accurately counted depending on what you attribute to the disparity).
February 16, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Not sure why that number tells you that. If it were the other way, and Covid were being overcounted, then I could see why it would raise some skepticism, but it's being undercounted (or accurately counted depending on what you attribute to the disparity). Because the fact that there are not a million recorded COVID deaths means the entire premise of that article is speculation.
February 16, 20223 yr 36 minutes ago, paco said: I think a better question is how we had a million "extra" deaths when we haven't even hit a million deaths from\with COVID? Covid deaths were undercounted in spring and summer '20. Then during any surges when the healthcare system was at capacity, there were likely also many additional non-covid related deaths due to a broad lack of access (perceived or real) to healthcare in a timely manner.
February 16, 20223 yr Again, that's all good, but that means the number of "one million extra deaths" is speculative. For all the reasons that you could add to the number of deaths, I could also come up with reasons to subtract.
February 16, 20223 yr 42 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: You’re wrong there sir. Pretty much everyone gets Omicron. Look at the countries with huge vaccination rates and see what happened. He's not wrong. Boosters provide significant protection against symptomatic infection, even with omicron.
February 16, 20223 yr 42 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: So their cases went up when everyone else's cases went up in Nov-Feb? Denmark is currently getting hit with the more transmissible BA.2, which for whatever reason, hasn't taken root here like it has in several countries abroad.
February 16, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, paco said: Again, that's all good, but that means the number of "one million extra deaths" is speculative. For all the reasons that you could add to the number of deaths, I could also come up with reasons to subtract. Excess mortality is excess mortality. The cause of it in any given year is speculative, but being that we're in a pandemic after all, I'd put my chips on "pandemic" if I had to bet on it.
February 16, 20223 yr 47 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: You’re wrong there sir. Pretty much everyone gets Omicron. Look at the countries with huge vaccination rates and see what happened. No he isn't.
February 16, 20223 yr 40 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Please explain, zuker. I'll try, but evidently your teachers failed, and they got paid to do it. Let's say that you forget where you live resulting in a silver alert, on average, 5 times a week. That means that some weeks it may be 7 times, while other weeks it may only be 3 times. When it's 7 times that doesn't mean that it happened 2 extra times, just that it was an above average week. That will eventually be offset by a below average week. Was that explanation too long? Have you already forgotten what we're discussing?
February 16, 20223 yr Just now, The_Omega said: I'll try, but evidently your teachers failed, and they got paid to do it. Let's say that you forget where you live resulting in a silver alert, on average, 5 times a week. That means that some weeks it may be 7 times, while other weeks it may only be 3 times. When it's 7 times that doesn't mean that it happened 2 extra times, just that it was an above average week. That will eventually be offset by a below average week. Was that explanation too long? Have you already forgotten what we're discussing? I can always count on you to add nothing to any conversation.
February 16, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: He's not wrong. Boosters provide significant protection against symptomatic infection, even with omicron. You also have to keep in mind that this is data collected by the CDC who lists anyone with an unknown vaccination status as unvaccinated. Very deceptive practices by those scumbags, but these are the same people who just recently told us our hospitalization data has been a lie throughout the entire pandemic as there was never any delineation between hospitalizations from covid and hospitalizations with covid.
February 16, 20223 yr Just now, Toastrel said: I can always count on you to add nothing to any conversation. There there old man. Have some more ice cream.
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