24 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

These convoy turds are breaking the law, and they've been informed they're breaking the law.  There is nothing constructive about their occupation and blockades.  There have been weapons seized at some of these blockades, and criminal charges laid -- including conspiracy to commit murder.

Their choice is simple -- go home and pay your bills while you still have the funds to pay your bills, or live with the consequences.  If it were me I would have police run a swath through them with tear gas to disperse them and immediately jail all who remain.  The next step would be to have the military deal with them in a less friendly manner   

Did you feel the same when hordes of scum were burning and looting our cities in 2020?

5 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

In a highly vaccinated country it would no doubt be a vaccinated person  

The question was never whether a single vaccinated person was more likely to spread Omicron than an unvaccinated one.  We will agree on the answer to that one.  The answer would be the unvaccinated one.

 

The level of contagiousness in Omicron and the lesser effect of vaccination combined with the super large number of vaccinated people led to a higher number of admitted patients being vaccinated in places like Israel and Denmark.  This by no means was ever a reason not to get vaccinated as obviously the rates at which vaccinated people were hospitalized was far lower than that of unvaccinated and the vaccinated caused spread at a much lower lever per individual as well.

I get your point I just find it kinda asinine. Can Omicron spread through a highly vaccinated population? Sure. But literally every aspect of that infection: daily cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, are all going to be significantly improved in a vaccinated vs unvaccinated patient population. 

It's like saying "well most car accidents are amongst non-drunk drivers".  Sure but that's not really the point is it?

48 minutes ago, DBW said:

Stop killing my rant with facts 😂 

I have Covid fatigue. I’m just done with it all 😆 

I get it. I cancelled 2 major vacations cause of COVID. Started a job right before the pandemic and have been hammered with double digit COVID patients most weeks. Cancelled my wedding. Had my first kid which of course my family couldn't see right after he was born. Lost friends. Lost family. Lost one patient I'm convinced would still be here if the EDs weren't as overburdened as they have been.

Believe me when I tell you I get the fatigue. This crap sucks. With every fiber of my being I hope it goes away as soon as possible and have hope things will be getting better soon. But unfortunately indignance just isn't gonna get us there.

5 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I get your point I just find it kinda asinine. Can Omicron spread through a highly vaccinated population? Sure. But literally every aspect of that infection: daily cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, are all going to be significantly improved in a vaccinated vs unvaccinated patient population. 

It's like saying "well most car accidents are amongst non-drunk drivers".  Sure but that's not really the point is it?

I get it. I cancelled 2 major vacations cause of COVID. Started a job right before the pandemic and have been hammered with double digit COVID patients most weeks. Cancelled my wedding. Had my first kid which of course my family couldn't see right after he was born. Lost friends. Lost family. Lost one patient I'm convinced would still be here if the EDs weren't as overburdened as they have been.

Believe me when I tell you I get the fatigue. This crap sucks. With every fiber of my being I hope it goes away as soon as possible and have hope things will be getting better soon. But unfortunately indignance just isn't gonna get us there.

Your first point there is why I said that non vaxxed should get vaxxed. I’m not against it. I see the benefits.  What is wearing on me is the "oh sorry we just need y’all to do this one more time, I promise” BS.  Take all of the political and economical reasoning out of it.  We live in a world where we can put people on the moon, identify species of dinosaurs and moss that existed 5 billion years ago, turn dudes into dykes, clone babies, grow new hearts from stem cells, etc and you’re telling me we can’t figure this virus out?  

45 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

These convoy turds are breaking the law, and they've been informed they're breaking the law.  There is nothing constructive about their occupation and blockades.  There have been weapons seized at some of these blockades, and criminal charges laid -- including conspiracy to commit murder.

Their choice is simple -- go home and pay your bills while you still have the funds to pay your bills, or live with the consequences.  If it were me I would have police run a swath through them with tear gas to disperse them and immediately jail all who remain.  The next step would be to have the military deal with them in a less friendly manner   

I still say send in kyle Rittenhoos 

21 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Did you feel the same when hordes of scum were burning and looting our cities in 2020?

I certainly did! I felt like our government let us down there.  We became a pig style of a nation that other countries mocked.  We were and still are in some ways leaning 3rd world.  

23 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Did you feel the same when hordes of scum were burning and looting our cities in 2020?

I do. If they were actually rioting/burning, and those who took demonstrations onto highways and the like, they should have been arrested.

You can protest loudly and firmly, and make your case. But the right to petition the government does not extend to criminal acts. 

I know some on the left like to point to MLK breaking laws and the like. But if you step through the laws he broken, it's quite clear there was a righteous but controlled use of these more strident actions. 

Nobody thinks back on the LA riots and thinks they were justified. One can argue that the rioting can be understood under the circumstances, when full knowledge of how the LA police were enforcing the law, but that doesn't make them a high water mark in civil rights history.

Unfortunately many who took part in the actual rioting in 2020 were career criminal opportunists, and some few were even right-winger agitators. But like Jan 6, we should be able to separate those who were there maybe for misguided reasons but committed no crimes, and those who used it as an opportunity to act violently. 

9 minutes ago, DBW said:

Your first point there is why I said that non vaxxed should get vaxxed. I’m not against it. I see the benefits.  What is wearing on me is the "oh sorry we just need y’all to do this one more time, I promise” BS.  Take all of the political and economical reasoning out of it.  We live in a world where we can put people on the moon, identify species of dinosaurs and moss that existed 5 billion years ago, turn dudes into dykes, clone babies, grow new hearts from stem cells, etc and you’re telling me we can’t figure this virus out?  

Eventually? Sure.  On the fly over the course of 2 years with 30% of the population burying their head in the sand and pretending everything is fine/actively fighting against advancement? Of course not.

I mean the Flu is a virus we "haven't figured out yet". HIV. The hepatitis viruses. Measles. Etc etc. 

15 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Eventually? Sure.  On the fly over the course of 2 years with 30% of the population burying their head in the sand and pretending everything is fine/actively fighting against advancement? Of course not.

I mean the Flu is a virus we "haven't figured out yet". HIV. The hepatitis viruses. Measles. Etc etc. 

We have figured out flu though.  Not many people die from it anymore, Tamiflu is a game changer. People live with HIV and now there is a pill to even help prevent it. It’s all but cured.  Measles can certainly my make a comeback and sometimes we see random flare ups in parts of the world but for the most part it under control.  I know it takes time.  50 years of mRNA research went into the vaccines and the best we get is 4 months?  You know it’s bad when my wife, who I joke is a hypochondriac, is like "nah I’m good” when it comes to 4x boosters.  Like we said when we fire coach after coach this town, They’ve lost the (locker room) country.  
 

I guess what I’m screaming at the top of my lungs to the cdc and fauci and the whole medical world Is "I’ve done my Fing part, now do yours.”

31 minutes ago, DBW said:

We have figured out flu though.  Not many people die from it anymore, Tamiflu is a game changer. People live with HIV and now there is a pill to even help prevent it. It’s all but cured.  Measles can certainly my make a comeback and sometimes we see random flare ups in parts of the world but for the most part it under control.  I know it takes time.  50 years of mRNA research went into the vaccines and the best we get is 4 months?  You know it’s bad when my wife, who I joke is a hypochondriac, is like "nah I’m good” when it comes to 4x boosters.  Like we said when we fire coach after coach this town, They’ve lost the (locker room) country.  
 

I guess what I’m screaming at the top of my lungs to the cdc and fauci and the whole medical world Is "I’ve done my Fing part, now do yours.”

My guy, Tamiflu is a terrible medication and the Flu has been around for centuries. And HIV isn't "all but cured" FFS. You're comparing diseases that have existed for centuries to decades to one that has existed for 2 Fing years. Do you really think the medical community isn't working on it?

23 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

My guy, Tamiflu is a terrible medication and the Flu has been around for centuries. And HIV isn't "all but cured" FFS. You're comparing diseases that have existed for centuries to decades to one that has existed for 2 Fing years. Do you really think the medical community isn't working on it?

I get all that but it doesn’t alleviate my frustration with it and doesn’t mean I can’t be a touch angry about certain things.  Nobody is expecting overnight cures but we are also told daily how omicron isn’t as deadly and all that while at the same time being told to get a 4th shot because Omicron b.1.7.2A.97.5 is on the way.  Like…MAKE UP YOUR DAMN FING MINDS!!!!!

Things were better when so much information wasn't at people's fingertips. 

Some of it was because people just weren't as aware of dangers around them. It was typical background noise.

But a lot of it is because the important information was distributed in limited ways through what were once people we trusted to know better than ourselves.

Now somebody reads a Wikipedia page and thinks they know as much as people who have studied things all their lives.

(This isn't directed at anyone here in particular. Just play out how this pandemic might have played out in the 50s vs today.)

50 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Things were better when so much information wasn't at people's fingertips. 

Some of it was because people just weren't as aware of dangers around them. It was typical background noise.

But a lot of it is because the important information was distributed in limited ways through what were once people we trusted to know better than ourselves.

Now somebody reads a Wikipedia page and thinks they know as much as people who have studied things all their lives.

(This isn't directed at anyone here in particular. Just play out how this pandemic might have played out in the 50s vs today.)

You can go back maybe 15 years and I think it wouldn't be this bad ... Social media & smart phones have not really been around that long. 

17 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

I get your point I just find it kinda asinine. Can Omicron spread through a highly vaccinated population? Sure. But literally every aspect of that infection: daily cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, are all going to be significantly improved in a vaccinated vs unvaccinated patient population. 

It's like saying "well most car accidents are amongst non-drunk drivers".  Sure but that's not really the point is it?

Yeah I understand what you are saying as well. However, it doesn’t support a blanket statement of "it is the unvaccinated who are responsible for the spread” when it comes to Omicron. It simply isn’t the case from a broad overall perspective and all you need to do to see that is look at what has happened in the places with high vaccination rates

I fully understand why people are frustrated with the unvaccinated and also how they (the unvaccinated) add more to the problem per person than the vaccinated (significantly so).  However, throwing out this sort of sweeping misleading type of statement (not saying you did that) doesn’t help to get people over the hump to get their jabs. It just seeds further distrust instead. I've been big on the trust thing from day #1 and it has proven to be very useful in the Nordics where there was basically zero politics going on and where the governments acted practically and honestly from the beginning.

As I’ve posted six times now, the rest I agree with and everyone should get fully vaccinated but let’s use clearer facts to persuade people.

lol

So my 33 year old brother in law is currently battling a bad case of Covid. Double vaxxed and boosted. Caught it from a friend of his (double vaxxed and boosted) and his friend's parents (both double vaxxed and boosted). His friend and his friend's elderly parents had minimal issues with it. After running a fever for four days my BIL called into a tele-doc that told him to go to the hospital because she was worried he might develop pneumonia. The hospital apparently gave him something to ease his symptoms but didn't admit him. 

Weird how this stuff hits people different, though. My BIL is in good shape. The only red flag would be that he did have a history of bad asthma as a kid, but pretty much grew out of it. Still keeps an inhaler for emergency use.  

12 minutes ago, Kz! said:

So my 33 year old brother is currently battling a bad case of Covid. Double vaxxed and boosted. Caught it from a friend of his (double vaxxed and boosted) and his friend's parents (both double vaxxed and boosted). His friend and his friend's elderly parents had minimal issues with it. After running a fever for four days my BIL called into a tele-doc that told him to go to the hospital because she was worried he might develop pneumonia. The hospital apparently gave him something to ease his symptoms but didn't admit him. 

Weird how this stuff hits people different, though. My BIL is in good shape. The only red flag would be that he did have a history of bad asthma as a kid, but pretty much grew out of it. Still keeps an inhaler for emergency use.  

 

I'm sorry to hear that, I hope he gets better soon.

1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

I'm sorry to hear that, I hope he gets better soon.

Thanks. He's on the mend. Went to the hospital on Wednesday, but wasn't admitted. Rested yesterday, and his appetite returned. Apparently his worst symptom was an excruciatingly sore throat so he didn't really want to eat and drink like he should have. 

1 minute ago, Kz! said:

Thanks. He's on the mend. Went to the hospital on Wednesday, but wasn't admitted. Rested yesterday, and his appetite returned. Apparently his worst symptom was an excruciatingly sore throat so he didn't really want to eat and drink like he should have. 

Easy solution for that...

 

 

When covid first hit, 2 coworkers that I am pretty good friends with and talk to regularly got OG covid around the same time. One is in his 50s, smokes and is overweight (pretty big gut). The other is barely 30, plays bball and soccer multiple times a week and is in really good shape. As far as i know, neither had any known medical issues before covid. The younger guy got hit much, much harder than the older, out of shape guy. It is weird.

When my family got it, we all had basically moderate flu symptoms. Mild fevers, etc. I had an odd issue where everything smelled very strongly of bleach for 2 or 3 weeks. Like the smell was stuck in my nose, it made eating very unpleasant for those few weeks.

11 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

When covid first hit, 2 coworkers that I am pretty good friends with and talk to regularly got OG covid around the same time. One is in his 50s, smokes and is overweight (pretty big gut). The other is barely 30, plays bball and soccer multiple times a week and is in really good shape. As far as i know, neither had any known medical issues before covid. The younger guy got hit much, much harder than the older, out of shape guy. It is weird.

When my family got it, we all had basically moderate flu symptoms. Mild fevers, etc. I had an odd issue where everything smelled very strongly of bleach for 2 or 3 weeks. Like the smell was stuck in my nose, it made eating very unpleasant for those few weeks.

Yeah I got OG in December of 2020. Manageable mild flu symptoms. The lack of smell altogether was the weird thing for me. Sausage, green pepper and onion pizza with oregano...taste nothing. Peanut butter and our laundry detergent also smell revolting to me. Switched laundry detergents, and haven't had peanut butter since. I do a smell test every few weeks and it still smells like sewage (and no, it's not the same jar ).

 

15 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Yeah I got OG in December of 2020. Manageable mild flu symptoms. The lack of smell altogether was the weird thing for me. Sausage, green pepper and onion pizza with oregano...taste nothing. Peanut butter and our laundry detergent also smell revolting to me. Switched laundry detergents, and haven't had peanut butter since. I do a smell test every few weeks and it still smells like sewage (and no, it's not the same jar ).

I've heard a lot of stories on the taste and smell thing. Almost everyone I talked to has something they used to like now taste or smell bad to them now. I had both lost of taste and smell, it was pretty severe for a good 2 weeks. I haven't found anything that tatse different to me now or smell different... Maybe I just don't notice it 

3 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I've heard a lot of stories on the taste and smell thing. Almost everyone I talked to has something they used to like now taste or smell bad to them now. I had both lost of taste and smell, it was pretty severe for a good 2 weeks. I haven't found anything that tatse different to me now or smell different... Maybe I just don't notice it 

It's probably for the best, but I used to love slicing an apple and eating it with peanut butter for a light snack. Can't even eat Reese's Cups anymore. My wife who had OG Covid right before me can't stand the smell of mustard anymore. It's weird how it seems to permanently affect the olfactory sense in a lot of people. Wish it was the other way around and emptying the litterbox smelled like lasagna or something.

1 minute ago, Outlaw said:

It's probably for the best, but I used to love slicing an apple and eating it with peanut butter for a light snack. Can't even eat Reese's Cups anymore. My wife who had OG Covid right before me can't stand the smell of mustard anymore. It's weird how it seems to permanently affect the olfactory sense in a lot of people. Wish it was the other way around and emptying the litterbox smelled like lasagna or something.

Now you are making me paranoid lol. Trying to think of anything that tatse bad to me now and I don't realize it!

Only thing I enjoyed about that was I absolutely hate onions and when I couldn't taste or smell I could eat an onion like an apple and it wouldn't of tasted like anything.... Unfortunately that smell and taste came back to where I still hate them lol.