China going to start feeling the heat and nothing says I'm innocent then threatening other countries 

China threatens economic consequences if Australia launches investigation of Beijing's handling of coronavirus

https://thehill.com/policy/international/494860-china-threatens-economic-consequences-if-australia-launches

 

3 hours ago, devpool said:

Because they wouldn't have had an issue had they not been forced to close for an entire month. This isn't a restaurant closing because they mismanaged it, they were forced to go under because people would rather live in fear than wash themselves and keep distance from others.

I would rather die of this virus than live in fear like they're making us do

And the people that will/have died of coronavirus wouldn't have had an issue if it wasn't for this virus. But hey your favorite new restaurant is much more important than peoples lives. 

barr's gonna go after local governments if they shut things down too long for his liking. 

repugs are immoral ghouls.

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That's the American spirit.  

Lol!! Yes. Honestly dining in has  been slowly going away. Most restaurants are geared towards delivery, and curb side pick up for a few years now. I'd imagine the only restaurants that are really hurting from this are the ones that never moved their restaurant in that direction to begin with. I'm sure there is still around that still draw a big dine in crowd but those were disappearing 

12 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Lol!! Yes. Honestly dining in has  been slowly going away. Most restaurants are geared towards delivery, and curb side pick up for a few years now. I'd imagine the only restaurants that are really hurting from this are the ones that never moved their restaurant in that direction to begin with. I'm sure there is still around that still draw a big dine in crowd but those were disappearing 

LOL

1 hour ago, BirdsFanBill said:

And the people that will/have died of coronavirus wouldn't have had an issue if it wasn't for this virus. But hey your favorite new restaurant is much more important than peoples lives. 

Dude wants his favorite Italian restaurant and unlimited breadsticks... Leave the man alone! 

1 hour ago, mr_hunt said:

barr's gonna go after local governments if they shut things down too long for his liking. 

repugs are immoral ghouls.

The transformation of the republican party into a big government anti-states rights party has been amazing to watch. 

'Merica:

 

23 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You have no idea what you're talking about.  

Sure

1 hour ago, Dave Moss said:

LOL

Have you guys not paid attention the last few years? Restaurants have been closing down left and right before this virus. Obviously this hurts them even more but, the restaurant buisness has been a struggle just like the brick and mortar retail stores. 

5 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Have you guys not paid attention the last few years? Restaurants have been closing down left and right before this virus. Obviously this hurts them even more but, the restaurant buisness has been a struggle just like the brick and mortar retail stores. 

I see restaurants packed with people all the time.  I'm sure that many of them do a decent business doing take-out, but I can't imagine it's the same.  Just as an example, there's a bakery I go to near downtown Houston where the line of people stretches into the parking lot on a normal Sunday afternoon. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8262903/15-000-excess-deaths-suggest-died-COVID.html

 

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Between March 1 and April 4 of this year, there were 15,400 'excess deaths', non coronavirus deaths, compared to years prior, the Yale University and Washington Post investigation found. 

Only 8,128 coronavirus deaths had been recorded in the US by April 4.  

 

 

I've been told, by fine, fine upstanding, right wing friends and family, that the COVID numbers are being HUGELY over-reported due to doctors and hospitals getting extra money for COVID deaths.

 

My guess here is that inadequate testing made the US number artificially low. 15,000 more deaths than last year in the same 1 month span?

4 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I see restaurants packed with people all the time.  I'm sure that many of them do a decent business doing take-out, but I can't imagine it's the same.  Just as an example, there's a bakery I go to near downtown Houston where the line of people stretches into the parking lot on a normal Sunday afternoon. 

Well you still have your niche stores that offer something the chains don't or a staple of the community for a long time. We have a few of them in my area. Just basic restaurants and chains were already struggling though. Just like their is some grocery retail chains that offer something special that the big chains can't and they do well. 

All I was saying is that the smaller stores and restaurants would be in rough shape through this are the ones that didn't have some type of online, delivery or curbside already in place. 

I work in grocery retail for a small family owned chain and we started the online order and pick up right around the time Walmart did and it started off really bad we dumped a ton of money into online order and pick up just to have maybe 1 or 2 online orders a week per store. Fast forward to this pandemic and now all out stores are doing 250 online and pick up orders a week. 

If we didn't have that system in place we probably would be closing our doors because not as many people come in the store anymore. 

17 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Have you guys not paid attention the last few years? Restaurants have been closing down left and right before this virus. Obviously this hurts them even more but, the restaurant buisness has been a struggle just like the brick and mortar retail stores. 

You are not totally wrong. Major chains and some smaller chains have been ramping up their carry out and curbside delivery. However, in my area, most restaurants and bars are packed in the evenings.
 

Many small restaurants will not recover from this because they need lots of traffic and the days of packing people into a restaurant are most likely over.

7 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

You are not totally wrong. Major chains and some smaller chains have been ramping up their carry out and curbside delivery. However, in my area, most restaurants and bars are packed in the evenings.
 

Many small restaurants will not recover from this because they need lots of traffic and the days of packing people into a restaurant are most likely over.

That's what I meant by they needed to have those options in place especially for the ones that had a huge dine in crowd to get through this.  Most places are doing away with the dine in options, they are mostly the big chains but, still everything is get in get out everyone is in a rush these days even a lot of families don't sit down to eat at the dinner table like they used to. 

There is still room for restaurants to have a great dine in experience but, not like it used to be. I can't even tell you the last time I sat in a restaurant to have a meal. Finding quality staff like waitresses and those type of positions are hard to come by so some just choose to do away with needing that position all together by having take out and delivery. Hell restaurants don't even pay their own delivery system anymore they just go with door dash and grub hub to handle that stuff. 

Where is this diminishing restaurant phenomenon taking place? I live in a relatively small town with a ‘’main street’’ of about 6 blocks. In that span there are 23 restaurants, including one right next to where I work, that has been building out the inside for about a month in preparations of opening in a few weeks.

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(CNN)President Donald Trump on Monday urged the nation's governors to "seriously consider" reopening schools as part of his push to restart the economy, though many states have already recommended against resuming the school year.

"Some of you might start thinking about school openings, because a lot of people are wanting to have school openings. It's not a big subject, young children have done very well in this disaster that we've all gone through," Trump told the governors on a teleconference call, according to audio of the call obtained by CNN.

I think Governor Wolf should "seriously consider" giving Trump the finger. 

 

6 minutes ago, hey suess said:

Where is this diminishing restaurant phenomenon taking place? I live in a relatively small town with a ‘’main street’’ of about 6 blocks. In that span there are 23 restaurants, including one right next to where I work, that has been building out the inside for about a month in preparations of opening in a few weeks.

Agreed.  I was in a Vegan Mexican restaurant at lunchtime a couple months back and it was packed.  Sure it’s a "niche” restaurant.  But all the other niche places are packed too.

2 hours ago, Gannan said:

The transformation of the republican party into a big government anti-states rights party has been amazing to watch. 

all values are situational now.

3 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Lol!! Yes. Honestly dining in has  been slowly going away. Most restaurants are geared towards delivery, and curb side pick up for a few years now. I'd imagine the only restaurants that are really hurting from this are the ones that never moved their restaurant in that direction to begin with. I'm sure there is still around that still draw a big dine in crowd but those were disappearing 

11 minutes ago, Gannan said:

I think Governor Wolf should "seriously consider" giving Trump the finger. 

 

He's now using kids to force his will onto the virus.  There's no telling what he might say/do until this thing just "goes away."  Unreal.  He really, really needs to STFU even if that means quitting the daily presser.  He's made this into a circus----that is his fault.

 

 

I haven't seen any dying restaurants in our area either.  I can't speak to how they are doing financially, but before this they were always busy and most are still open for pick up or delivery.

1 hour ago, Tnt4philly said:

You are not totally wrong. Major chains and some smaller chains have been ramping up their carry out and curbside delivery. However, in my area, most restaurants and bars are packed in the evenings.
 

Many small restaurants will not recover from this because they need lots of traffic and the days of packing people into a restaurant are most likely over.

carry out and curbside delivery is growing because restaurants are packed. not because people aren't eating out as much.

if (for some reason) you find yourself at an olive garden (because you hate yourself) during dinner hour, you are waiting 30-90 minutes for a table. that's not because of kitchen capacity, it's because of limited table space.

so curbside is a way to limit abandonment from long table waits. you convert those lost customers into curbside pickups and while you lose out on drinks and alcohol (which is really profitable) you still retain the business and profit.

6 hours ago, NYEagle said:

I think fear of the unknown really had me on board for putting Shelter at Home orders in, closing everything, etc.......but when I look at Sweden, they basically just said f it......people are going to get it....let 'em and deal with it.  Herd immunity, etc.  They basically felt their Healthcare System could handle a massive peek where as ours couldn't.  

Nah, not really.  This has been a controlled burn over here.  You have to know the culture to understand.  There are all kinds of "strong recommendations" for people to work from home, avoid public transportation, etc.  Groups of more than 50 is forbidden.  Bars/restaurants must setup clear social distancing and can only serve people at tables (a number were shutdown over the weekend for not managing this properly), etc. etc. etc.

The result is that activity in the city of Stockholm and other cities is down 80%.  There still is some for sure but it is WAY down.  That keeps the burn at a slow rate and the modern and advanced medical system is handling things, so far.