Good God, trumpbots are stupid. Yes, the initial trials of the candidates included endpoints for symptomaic infection, which was used a correlate for efficacy against infection in general (e.g. meaning it prevents you from getting infected in the first place.) Results were reported as 93% and 95% efficacy respectively in Nov, '20, which was against the original Wuhan strain back when the trials were run. This was what was rolled out in late '20 and into early '21. VE remained high even as the Alpha variant swept the US in the spring as it had very limited ability to escape vaccine induced immunity. Then, as we all know, Delta emerged in June '21, which had some ability to partially evade existing immunity (vaccine induced or naturally induced.) This dropped VE down to the 50-60% range. And then finally, Omicron emerged in late Nov, '21, which had far increased ability to evade immunity, and basically dropped VE down to 10-20%.

This is why none of you moutbreathing morons will be able to find anyone from the CDC, NIH, or FDA claiming "if you get the vaccine, you won't get COVID" after Decemeber of 2021. The vaccine worked insanely well against the original Wuhan strain, against the Alpha variant, and even held up fairly well against Delta for those recently vaccinated. It wasn't until Omicron hit that the wheels fell off of the claim that getting the vaccine means you likely won't get covid. 

Mind you, the above is strictly about protection from symptomatic infection, whereas protection against severe disease (i.e. hospitalization and death) remained high even until this day. This the reason why so many needlessly died during the omicron wave because they let political affiliation dictiate their medical decisions, meaning that instead of listening to their doctors, they listened to their favorite politicians or memes on facebook, which is pretty much the absolute dumbest thing you can do as a human being.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Precisely 

4 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Precisely 

This is why you are and will remain stupid for the rest of your miserable life. 

Just now, Tnt4philly said:

This is why you are will remain stupid for the rest of your miserable life. 

I are will - I agree

1 minute ago, mikemack8 said:

I are will - I agree

I can edit typos, you will still be a dumb a**. 

I mean I guess I could post some of the clips (dozens? hundreds?) that are out there of various news reports, articles, etc. proclaiming that the vaccines were 100% effective, you won't get COVID after you take them PERIOD, etc., but it obviously wouldn't make a difference.  Most of them have already been posted in this thread and you pretend they don't exist.  Just keep lapping up that sweet nectar from big daddy pharma - makes no difference to me.  Hell I took the first batch - at the time it made the most sense for me and my family.  There's absolutely no reason for it now.  97% of America apparently agrees with me.

I get it guys - it was a scary virus.  Especially for those as old and/or feeble as most of you are.  

Just now, mikemack8 said:

I mean I guess I could post some of the clips (dozens? hundreds?) that are out there of various news reports, articles, etc. proclaiming that the vaccines were 100% effective, you won't get COVID after you take them PERIOD, etc.

Ok, I'll play along. Please post them with their date of attribution. Let's see what you got, mikey.

8 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

I mean I guess I could post some of the clips (dozens? hundreds?) that are out there of various news reports, articles, etc. proclaiming that the vaccines were 100% effective,

Yet here you are not posting your proof. 

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COVID-19 vaccines have proven to be safe, effective and life-saving. Like all vaccines, they do not fully protect everyone who is vaccinated, and  we do not yet know how well they can prevent people from transmitting the virus to others.   July, 2021

 

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/vaccine-efficacy-effectiveness-and-protection

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In fact, "vaccines are never 100% effective," said Dr. Michael Ryan, Executive Director of the World Health Organization's Health Emergencies Program, during a question and answer session on Wednesday.

"The idea that we're going to have a vaccine in 2-3 months, and then all of a sudden this virus is going to go away -- I would love to be here saying that to you, but that's just not realistic," Ryan said.

July,2020

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/covid-19-vaccine-save-lives-100-effective-experts/story?id=72053274

58 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Good God, trumpbots are stupid. Yes, the initial trials of the candidates included endpoints for symptomaic infection, which was used a correlate for efficacy against infection in general (e.g. meaning it prevents you from getting infected in the first place.) Results were reported as 93% and 95% efficacy respectively in Nov, '20, which was against the original Wuhan strain back when the trials were run. This was what was rolled out in late '20 and into early '21. VE remained high even as the Alpha variant swept the US in the spring as it had very limited ability to escape vaccine induced immunity. Then, as we all know, Delta emerged in June '21, which had some ability to partially evade existing immunity (vaccine induced or naturally induced.) This dropped VE down to the 50-60% range. And then finally, Omicron emerged in late Nov, '21, which had far increased ability to evade immunity, and basically dropped VE down to 10-20%.

This is why none of you moutbreathing morons will be able to find anyone from the CDC, NIH, or FDA claiming "if you get the vaccine, you won't get COVID" after Decemeber of 2021. The vaccine worked insanely well against the original Wuhan strain, against the Alpha variant, and even held up fairly well against Delta for those recently vaccinated. It wasn't until Omicron hit that the wheels fell off of the claim that getting the vaccine means you likely won't get covid. 

Mind you, the above is strictly about protection from symptomatic infection, whereas protection against severe disease (i.e. hospitalization and death) remained high even until this day. This the reason why so many needlessly died during the omicron wave because they let political affiliation dictiate their medical decisions, meaning that instead of listening to their doctors, they listened to their favorite politicians or memes on facebook, which is pretty much the absolute dumbest thing you can do as a human being.

Did they ever release any data that provided probability of someone contracting COVID from someone who is vaccinated versus someone who isn't? Meaning if person A is vaccinated and has COVID and person B is not vaccinated and has COVID, is transmission probability lower on person A's end compared to person B? The same? And no, I'm not asking this as a "stupid Trumpbot", I'm legitimately interested. 

The pitiful attempts to rewrite the original  Kung flu narratives.......

🤣🤣🤣

All you idiots can F all the way off. Go get a booster shot while you're at it.

15 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Did they ever release any data that provided probability of someone contracting COVID from someone who is vaccinated versus someone who isn't? Meaning if person A is vaccinated and has COVID and person B is not vaccinated and has COVID, is transmission probability lower on person A's end compared to person B? The same? And no, I'm not asking this as a "stupid Trumpbot", I'm legitimately interested. 

I don’t believe vaccines help prevent the transmission of a virus once some one has it. 
 

Edit: guess I was wrong. 
 

"Vaccinated people can become infected with COVID-19 and spread it to others. However, a 2023 study found that vaccinated people were significantly less likely to transmit the virus,” said Brian Laird, PharmD, a manager in Pharmacy Operations at OSF HealthCare.

https://www.osfhealthcare.org/blog/fully-vaccinated-less-likely-to-pass-covid-19-to-others/

Just now, lynched1 said:

The pitiful attempts to rewrite the original  Kung flu narratives.......

🤣🤣🤣

Provide evidence that proves otherwise. Show us what made you morons think vaccines are 100% effective. 

All I was promised by getting the jab is protection from severe illness and death if I were to be infected. By golly, it worked.

4 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

The pitiful attempts to rewrite the original  Kung flu narratives.......

🤣🤣🤣

All you idiots can F all the way off. Go get a booster shot while you're at it.

It's not our fault you bought into the wrong narrative.

8 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

Provide evidence that proves otherwise. Show us what made you morons think vaccines are 100% effective. 

Biden said it back in 2021. This was before the other variants came about and efficacy wore off, but it's probably where people are getting the "100% effective" narrative from. 

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-health-government-and-politics-coronavirus-pandemic-46a270ce0f681caa7e4143e2ae9a0211

1 minute ago, toolg said:

All I was promised by getting the jab is protection from severe illness and death if I were to be infected. By golly, it worked.

It's not our fault you bought into the wrong narrative.

You survived the winter of severe illness and death! Congratulations! Thank God for the vaccine!  

18 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Did they ever release any data that provided probability of someone contracting COVID from someone who is vaccinated versus someone who isn't? Meaning if person A is vaccinated and has COVID and person B is not vaccinated and has COVID, is transmission probability lower on person A's end compared to person B? The same? And no, I'm not asking this as a "stupid Trumpbot", I'm legitimately interested. 

Gathering direct data on this was impossible without challenge trials, which were an ethical / legal quagmire. The best we could do was infer this via case studies (like when Person A become infected, and was vaxed, how many members of his family became infected, vs a control group where Person B become infected, was unvaxed, and assessing how many members of their family were infected.) There were other complicating factors of the control group, like if they had natural immunity from a prior infection. As time wore on, finding people who were not vaxed, but also had no prior immunity from natural infection, shrank to almost zero so whatever we were able to glean on this for alpha had to be thrown out and redone for delta, and again for omicron and so on.

But when those factors were able to be controlled for via nucleocapsid antibody testing, we did see that the infectious period was longer in those lacking any form of immunity vs those who were vaccnated. Meaning, even if a vaxed person caught covid, they were able to infect others for a few days less than those who were unvaxed. This means that on average this group would go on to infect fewer people than those who were unvaxed. That doesn't necessarily paint the whole picture though because periods of infectiousness were determined from rapid antigen lateral flow testing (the at-home tests you buy at the pharmacy.) These tests are our best correlates of infectiousness but they only check for the presence of antigens above a fairly high thresehold, but not necessarily for viable virus. Meaning that any viral particles shed during this period might be even less viable due to antibody binding that would not be present in someone without prior immunity. 

TL/DR: Breakthrough infecetions in vaccinated people are less likely to be spread to others (regardless of their own vaccination status.) The extent of likelihood is tough to determine directly, but the reason is because they are not as contagious for as long of a period of time, and the viral particles they shed are have antibodies bound to them that hinder their ability to attach to the ACE-2 receptors of the next person they are spread to.

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Biden said it back in 2021. This was before the other variants came about and efficacy wore off, but it's probably where people are getting the "100% effective" narrative from. 

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-health-government-and-politics-coronavirus-pandemic-46a270ce0f681caa7e4143e2ae9a0211

Who takes medical advice from a politician?

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Biden said it back in 2021. This was before the other variants came about and efficacy wore off, but it's probably where people are getting the "100% effective" narrative from. 

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-health-government-and-politics-coronavirus-pandemic-46a270ce0f681caa7e4143e2ae9a0211

And he was fact checked and proven wrong the day after he said it. 

3 minutes ago, toolg said:

Who takes medical advice from a politician?

I mean it's the President of the United States. People are going to put a lot of credence into what he says and assume he's informed. Especially at that time. Again, that comment was before other variants came about, but that's probably what a lot of people are going off of. 

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Good God, trumpbots are stupid. Yes, the initial trials of the candidates included endpoints for symptomaic infection, which was used a correlate for efficacy against infection in general (e.g. meaning it prevents you from getting infected in the first place.) Results were reported as 93% and 95% efficacy respectively in Nov, '20, which was against the original Wuhan strain back when the trials were run. This was what was rolled out in late '20 and into early '21. VE remained high even as the Alpha variant swept the US in the spring as it had very limited ability to escape vaccine induced immunity. Then, as we all know, Delta emerged in June '21, which had some ability to partially evade existing immunity (vaccine induced or naturally induced.) This dropped VE down to the 50-60% range. And then finally, Omicron emerged in late Nov, '21, which had far increased ability to evade immunity, and basically dropped VE down to 10-20%.

This is why none of you moutbreathing morons will be able to find anyone from the CDC, NIH, or FDA claiming "if you get the vaccine, you won't get COVID" after Decemeber of 2021. The vaccine worked insanely well against the original Wuhan strain, against the Alpha variant, and even held up fairly well against Delta for those recently vaccinated. It wasn't until Omicron hit that the wheels fell off of the claim that getting the vaccine means you likely won't get covid. 

Mind you, the above is strictly about protection from symptomatic infection, whereas protection against severe disease (i.e. hospitalization and death) remained high even until this day. This the reason why so many needlessly died during the omicron wave because they let political affiliation dictiate their medical decisions, meaning that instead of listening to their doctors, they listened to their favorite politicians or memes on facebook, which is pretty much the absolute dumbest thing you can do as a human being.

You know the little dude is literally shaking while typing this.  

2 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I mean it's the President of the United States. People are going to put a lot of credence into what he says and assume he's informed. Especially at that time. Again, that comment was before other variants came about, but that's probably what a lot of people are going off of. 

MAGA wasn’t taking Biden’s advice from a Town Hall most of them never saw. And as you already posted, he was called out about it the next day. 

2 minutes ago, Kz! said:

You know the little dude is literally shaking while typing this.  

You back with that montage already? 😂😂😂😂

15 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Biden said it back in 2021. This was before the other variants came about and efficacy wore off, but it's probably where people are getting the "100% effective" narrative from. 

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-health-government-and-politics-coronavirus-pandemic-46a270ce0f681caa7e4143e2ae9a0211

Prior to the June report of the Singapore airport Delta cluster, breakthrough infections were almost unhread of. A few weeks later we then had the Providence, RI cluster (gay bar scene weekend festival.) Biden should've at least been made aware of the former, if perhaps not both, by then and couched his words more carefully. But the extent still wasn't fully understood then, and even until omicron, protection against symptomatic infection still held up fairly well. But once omicron hit, all bets were off, which is why you didn't see those claims anymore after Dec '21.

5 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

You back with that montage already? 😂😂😂😂

I honestly can't tell if liberals really don't remember or if it's some weird side effect of being in a cult.