32 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Looks like it would actually be 3 days a week which is still really tough.

sheet.  if it's home schooling 1 day a week, it will be hard for families with 2 working parents & single parent households.  idk how some will manage. 

2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

sheet.  if it's home schooling 1 day a week, it will be hard for families with 2 working parents & single parent households.  idk how some will manage. 

It's impossible. Depending on the age of the children just set them up with a tablet and accept how the year is going to be. If the kids are 3 and under and daycare isn't available then someone needs to quit.

Just now, Paul852 said:

It's impossible. Depending on the age of the children just set them up with a tablet and accept how the year is going to be. If the kids are 3 and under and daycare isn't available then someone needs to quit.

yeah...it's going to be really f'd up.  

i'm thankful that my kid is older...but his grades really slipped with home schooling. 

9 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Ace, my dad is an anesthesiologist with 35 years of experience.  He has been stressing to everyone that a drug is not proven to be effective until it has gone through the clinical trial process. To not be misled by these articles touting observational studies as proof that a drug works.  He has specifically noted that these observational studies that have been done with HCQ do not prove that it is effective and that they should not be used as clinical guidance.   

I posted 2 clinical trials to you that actually show that it was not effective.

Again, observational studies do not prove effectiveness. Randomized clinical trials with a control group do.

No one is debating that.

Again, if a doctor wants to administer his patient a drug during a pandemic (when there are very little other option available) and he feels comfortable using guidelines from the Ford study or an observational study, he should be able to do so without being criticized by left wing media types that have only one agenda.  

Anyway, doctors are giving it to patients all over the world as we speak....so that's, that.

 

45 minutes ago, DBW said:

On the teaching/schooling stuff:  my wife is a teacher and our district is talking about possibilities of doing 2 groups - group 1 comes Monday-Tuesday. Group two comes Thursday-Friday.  Wednesday is cleaning day.  When not in school you’re learning remotely.  This would be the same live on class instruction but via a computer.  Duplicate workbooks and materials - one for home one for school so limiting what is being brought back and forth. Every student is getting a new chrome book.  That’s the best plan I’ve heard so far.  Doing all remote learning is tough because it’s not the same level of instruction. I don’t care how good of a home school teacher mom think she is, it’s not the same.  And logistically you can’t split the day into shifts to have group 1 am and group 2 pm, so it has to be a split week. Parents can more easily adjust schedules to be home 2 days than to be home half a day for 5.  
 

The questions nobody has answers for are the what if’s....Johnny gets sick, ms. Johnson gets sick, a bus driver gets sick, etc.  do you close the class? The school? The district?  For how long?  There’s really no guidebook for that and nothing being directed by the doe, union, state, etc.  it’s just a lot of unknowns and variables that they are working through.  It may even mean starting school all remote learning until Jan 1.  To give them More time. But the overall consensus is that they want to be in school this year to some degree.

I overhear my wifes zoom meetings as they prepare for the upcoming year. Mostly they are waiting for guidance from the District but the tentative plans were if one staff or student get its, they have to quarantine 2 weeks. If two or more students in the same class test positive, the whole class quarantines two weeks. If its a certain number and spread across different classrooms either teachers or students, the whole school closes two weeks and has a deep clean. I get the strategy they are going for, but it just seems to be almost impossible to have those guidelines and have anything close to a productive school year. I still haven't heard what the plan is if a spouse or someone else in the family tests positive what happens to the student or teacher and if they have to test negative to return to school. 

I dunno. I just don't see the testing aspect outside of temperature checks implemented anywhere at all, or even possible. I don't see how they are going to distinguish COVID vs Flu/slight fever when the time comes, and there's going to be no social distance or mask mandate. It's just a matter of time until failure. 

35 minutes ago, L.E said:

Just an absolute garbage human being.

Hmm I wonder what else those countries all have in common...

It would be very easy to open schools if we were in Norways situation of no more than 50 new cases per day since Mid May.

40 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

yeah...it's going to be really f'd up.  

i'm thankful that my kid is older...but his grades really slipped with home schooling. 

Our district is letting parents choose from full attendance, hybrid home and school, and full online learning.  It already had a full time virtual learning program in place for those that chose it, even before the outbreak so they can just roll those students into the program.  My boys are 14, 11, and 6 so we may choose different options for each.  We're not sure yet but ultimately, this will be a disaster.  

Teachers and school staff are almost guaranteed to get the virus over time.  With some getting seriously ill and others needing to quarantine due to exposure to positive patients, schools likely won't be able to keep the building staffed enough to continue in person education all year anyway.  I know it's hard for people to be home and work with their kids learning during the day but I feel like that is ultimately where this is going to end up anyway once staff attrition makes it impossible to educate in person.  There will also be a shortage of substitute teachers as so many are older and high risk. Not to mention the financial hardship teachers/staff and their families will face if/when they run out of sick days.

This will never happen but what they should do is just cancel the school year.  Yes the kids education gets put on hold but what's the point of rushing them into an economy that has little to offer them anyway. 

Some universities are doing all online except labs and things where you'd need to actually be there to do something. Also heard some are removing holiday breaks and having classes 2.5 hours once a week. Wonder if the public schools will look to implement something similar.

3 hours ago, mayanh8 said:

He's a psychopath. 

He's right though. It's going to be expensive and it is asking for impractical things. Teachers will likely want more money for the risk. Same with janitors and everyone else working at schools. Asking kids to always wear a mask will likely be a challenge. Asking for social distances in class rooms and hallways will be very difficult.

40 minutes ago, Gannan said:

 

They should find a new line of work. 

I think they will. I'm afraid we will see a lot of teachers taking a year off and doing something else until this all clears up. I mean for us personally if its like this and they force them all to go back 5 days a week without proper measures, my fiance would likely go back to being a full time nanny again for a year, or teach online, or something else.

6 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Some universities are doing all online except labs and things where you'd need to actually be there to do something. Also heard some are removing holiday breaks and having classes 2.5 hours once a week. Wonder if the public schools will look to implement something similar.

He's right though. It's going to be expensive and it is asking for impractical things. Teachers will likely want more money for the risk. Same with janitors and everyone else working at schools. Asking kids to always wear a mask will likely be a challenge. Asking for social distances in class rooms and hallways will be very difficult.

He may have them water it down but the guidelines as written are relatively worthless.  The phrases "as feasible" and "when feasible" being attached to most CDC recommendations gives the schools an out to ignore the advice by claiming adherence wasn't feasible.  Those phrases will end up doing a lot of heavy lifting when schools roll out there final plans and the restrictions won't be followed to large extent. 

 

27 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

No one is debating that.

Again, if a doctor wants to administer his patient a drug during a pandemic (when there are very little other option available) and he feels comfortable using guidelines from the Ford study or an observational study, he should be able to do so without being criticized by left wing media types that have only one agenda.  

Anyway, doctors are giving it to patients all over the world as we speak....so that's, that.

 

And many doctors have stopped as multiple clinical trials have been completed which have shown no benefit.  But sure, I guess if a doctor wants to experiment with an unproven drug, so long as they are up front and honest with their patient that it has not proven to be effective.   That's my issue right now.  There are people putting out misinformation about drugs being proven to work, when they haven't been.  In fact, it's been the opposite.  The trials conducted so far have actually shown HCQ to NOT be effective. 

The last thing we need during this time is misinformation. 

And as for the Henry Ford observational study, the mean age of patients who didn't receive any medication was 68.  The mean age of patients that received medication was between 62 and 63.  So how much did that factor into the results?    See that's one of the differences between an observational study and a randomized clinical trial.   In a clinical trial, the treatment group and the placebo group can be formed such that they have very similar demographics and size in order to minimize any contributing factors due to the demographics of the population.

 

20 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said:

I think they will. I'm afraid we will see a lot of teachers taking a year off and doing something else until this all clears up. I mean for us personally if its like this and they force them all to go back 5 days a week without proper measures, my fiance would likely go back to being a full time nanny again for a year, or teach online, or something else.

Teaching is not for everyone. Same with the medical field. People think my wife is crazy for working in a hospital with covid patients.  That's part of the job. I was a teacher years ago, and there were several aspects of the job that I hated, so I left and never looked back.

24 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Some universities are doing all online except labs and things where you'd need to actually be there to do something. Also heard some are removing holiday breaks and having classes 2.5 hours once a week. Wonder if the public schools will look to implement something similar.

He's right though. It's going to be expensive and it is asking for impractical things. Teachers will likely want more money for the risk. Same with janitors and everyone else working at schools. Asking kids to always wear a mask will likely be a challenge. Asking for social distances in class rooms and hallways will be very difficult.

Trump is going to deport any foreign students at universities who decide to make classes online. I know several plan to just hold labs on campus. No word if foreign students in that situation will be deported or not. College kids should be able to handle wearing a mask. They won't, as evidence by the morons in Alabama, but they should. 

The USA, enjoying a first wave of the virus that is truly tremendous, absolutely huge, bigly and just all about WINNING!!!, seeing record number of cases being spread by . .. young people. . .the president is now pushing for schools to reopen.

At this point he has to be actively trying to kill people. There is no other explanation.

2 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Trump is going to deport any foreign students at universities who decide to make classes online. I know several plan to just hold labs on campus. No word if foreign students in that situation will be deported or not. College kids should be able to handle wearing a mask. They won't, as evidence by the morons in Alabama, but they should. 

I was talking about K-12 with the second part

1 minute ago, Toastrel said:

The USA, enjoying a first wave of the virus that is truly tremendous, absolutely huge, bigly and just all about WINNING!!!, seeing record number of cases being spread by . .. young people. . .the president is now pushing for schools to reopen.

At this point he has to be actively trying to kill people. There is no other explanation.

There's a ton of parents that want schools to reopen as well

13 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Teaching is not for everyone. Same with the medical field. People think my wife is crazy for working in a hospital with covid patients.  That's part of the job. I was a teacher years ago, and there were several aspects of the job that I hated, so I left and never looked back.

I mean I guess. I don't think most people associate working through a pandemic really as one of the aspects of being a teacher. Quite a different expectation of workplace environment and potential hazards when becoming a teacher vs working in a hospital.

2 minutes ago, Kz! said:

The VP pick is everything.

He can even talk right! Alt Left LIBs shoul be embarras. 

2 hours ago, Paul852 said:

Looks like it would actually be 3 days a week which is still really tough.

Yes sorry 3 days.  And yes very tough no matter what.  I work from home quote a bit even before all of this so we can manage almost any scenario.  But I can’t imagine what others would have to go through to make it work.  

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"Fact-denying populism is being shown its limits,” she added. "In a democracy, facts and transparency are needed. "

True. But the deniers have shown it is a position they are willing to die for.

1 hour ago, BirdsFanBill said:

I mean I guess. I don't think most people associate working through a pandemic really as one of the aspects of being a teacher. Quite a different expectation of workplace environment and potential hazards when becoming a teacher vs working in a hospital.

Teachers face all kinds of hazards, getting sick, getting punched, getting choked, getting stabbed, etc. Comes with the job. There is absolutely an expectation of all of those things. 

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

There's a ton of parents that want schools to reopen as well

I can't blame them, but I wouldn't send my kids in to come home with the ick.

2 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Teachers face all kinds of hazards, getting sick, getting punched, getting choked, getting stabbed, etc. Comes with the job. There is absolutely an expectation of all of those things. 

We'll, I guess agree to disagree here. I don't believe this is a typical hazard associated or expected to come with being a teacher.

28 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Teachers face all kinds of hazards, getting sick, getting punched, getting choked, getting stabbed, etc. Comes with the job. There is absolutely an expectation of all of those things. 

Um...really? Are schools all out of Lean on Me now?

27 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said:

We'll, I guess agree to disagree here. I don't believe this is a typical hazard associated or expected to come with being a teacher.

It's true for schools in the city and it absolutely SHOULD NOT be accepted or expected.